Another Craigslist idiot!

[norsmis]

So what you are telling me is spiders, mojaves, and all the other codominant genes in ball pythons are hets?

 

[hhmoore]

In a manner of speaking, yes. We tend to think of hets only with regard to recessive traits, but the term is not incorrect when applied to codom/dominant traits. Think about the mojave, for example. The heterozygous form is the mojave, the homozygous form is the BEL. Now, consider the basic explanation of "codominant" is that the heterozygous and homozygous forms are visually different from each other AND the wild type. (the homozygous form being the "super")

 

[hhmoore]

so, while there may be no normal looking hets for those morphs, it isn't technically correct to say there are no hets.

 

[hhmoore]

from geneticswizard.com:

Codominant - an allele that causes the homozygous form to look different than wild type and the heterozygous form to have traits of both. (All three look different from each other.)
Dominant - an allele that causes the homozygous form and the heterozygous form to look the same as each other, but different than wild type.

 

[Diego Velarde]

Therefore, any pastel carrier that isn't a super pastel is het-for-pastel

I think this should say: Any pastel carrier that isn't a super pastel is het-for-super pastel not het for pastel.
Just like a mojave is het for lucy or a yellow belly is het for ivory

 

[xanaxez]

anyone have a chart like for what to breed to make different types of morphs? liek what a lesser and lesser would make or lesserx mojave things of that nature. i am new to this morph stuff and although i have a few carpet pythons i have no ball pythons but im looking to getting into them i would just liek to know what the basic charts making different types of morphs or make good pairings.

 

[Uroboros]

anyone have a chart like for what to breed to make different types of morphs? liek what a lesser and lesser would make or lesserx mojave things of that nature. i am new to this morph stuff and although i have a few carpet pythons i have no ball pythons but im looking to getting into them i would just liek to know what the basic charts making different types of morphs or make good pairings.

I found a couple. Pretty interesting stuff.

http://www.ballpython.ca/what_get/dominant.html
http://bryanbrownreptiles.com/genetics

If you hit google for "boa (or python) allele heterozygous chart" you'll find more results for other forums that I didn't want to post here.

 

[hhmoore]

Playball, you'll have to forgive them on the pastel...it was the first codom BP morph that was "discovered". When two pastels were bred and the homozygous form stood out, they called it a super. That term stuck, and has been used in other morphs and even other species to describe the homozygous form of dom/codom traits (even if it isn't used in the name)

 

[Diego Velarde]

Playball, you'll have to forgive them on the pastel...it was the first codom BP morph that was "discovered". When two pastels were bred and the homozygous form stood out, they called it a super. That term stuck, and has been used in other morphs and even other species to describe the homozygous form of dom/codom traits (even if it isn't used in the name)

Got ya!

I found a couple. Pretty interesting stuff.

http://www.ballpython.ca/what_get/dominant.html
http://bryanbrownreptiles.com/genetics

Those are great links, thanks

 

[xanaxez]

although not the same post as this topid i do not think but i ran across this today and from what i can read of it this ball hatched 27 and 13 were super pies? lol correct me if i am wrong but is this crap in this post even possible? i know it isnt or i havent ever seen a ball hatch 27 babys before but who knows lol. heres the posting i found.

3.5' Piebald x Enchi Pastel Ball Python


Item ID#: 1474333 Seller Area: PA Views: 54
Seller ID#: 550626 Item Location: -- Expires: 82 days
Price: $Unspecified Available To: --





This is a female ball python. She is the offspring of a Piebald and an Enchi Pastel. Nice colorations on the head and faint, almost ghost-like markings between each side saddle. 3 pure white pied markings. Produced offspring twice. IN the last clutch there were 13 super-pied babies and 14 that looked like her with more of the dominant enchi pastel markings. ASking $400 for snake, light, heating pad, water dish sufficient for full submersion and a 29 gallon tank with lid and locking clips. Will accept offers.

 

[Cat_72]

Um, I don't see anything there that I would believe. 27 eggs in a clutch, "super pieds", crazy stuff I tell ya. The way it's worded, looks like the same scammer..., er, seller as the original post.

 

[norsmis]

I think this should say: Any pastel carrier that isn't a super pastel is het-for-super pastel not het for pastel.
Just like a mojave is het for lucy or a yellow belly is het for ivory

This is what I was getting at! It is not het for pastel, its het for super pastel. So advertising a snake as het for pastel is not correct.

 

[Cat_72]

Especially when said snake is a normal-looking snake, lol.

 

[norsmis]

And what is a "super pied"?

 

[hhmoore]

This is what I was getting at! It is not het for pastel, its het for super pastel. So advertising a snake as het for pastel is not correct.

I'll agree that selling a snake as het for pastel isn't quite correct...
I would say that a more proper phasing would be that the snake is a heterozygous pastel. The terminology gets confusing because of the discrepencies in naming the morphs. Look at the names: pastel/superpastel, mojave/BEL, yellowbelly/ivory...pastel/superpastel is an aberrancy, and using the same phrasing just doesn't make sense. (then again, the difference in the forms isn't nearly as extreme, lol)
If they had given superpastels a different name - say, "glow worm" - then the pastels could be said to be het for glow worm. By the same token, if they went with supermojave, and superyellowbelly, it would seem more natural to say that a snake is a heterozygous mojave. But, by designating something as "the super form of _____" then not naming it a super_____, it complicates things. It gets worse when people misuse the various genetics terms, and when inaccuracies get handed along and accepted.

 

[budlightnj2004]

Hope i didnt miss my chance

I hope i didnt miss my chance i want at least 4 or 5 of these females.

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

Lol!
This reminds me of the guy from the reptile booth on the 4th!

He has allll these speeshul snakes. And one adult BP with a big sign on its box that says "RARE PIEBALD PYTHON". I'm looking at this snake, trying to find the white (he was all coiled up) and eventually I asked if I could hold him. Guy says sure, but he bites, so look out. Oh well, I wanna see his white. I'm turning him all around (didn't bite me, but squeezed me pretty dang hard) and I'm not finding any white on him... Anywhere. I finally asked the guy, "You do know what a piebald is, right? He's supposed to have patches of white on him." This guy nods eagerly, looks me in the eye and says "He does, they're just all on the inside of his mouth."