Another FAKE pastel ad from Geni Mullins

[SPJ]

Does that mean that I should sell this female as a yellow belly?
Clearly she has some yellow (and even orange) on her belly that comes up her sides.


You an Geni seem to be the only ones who think labeling a snake as a proven morph to sell it is OK.

 

[bpc]

Yet again, you don't understand what I am saying. I'm saying calling a snake a "pastel." Notice the period there. Does not qualify it as a morph. Calling it a "pastel jungle," or a proven "pastel jungle morph," would.

Your snake does not have a yellow belly. It has yellow sides. YOu could certainly market it as such, and be fine. If you meant to imply it was a "yellow belly morph-which could produce all those really wierd things," then type all that out and avoid the confusion. The less descriptive your adjective(s), the more room you leave for translation.

 

[ms_terese]

Brian,

I *do* understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that sellers who use the term "pastel" as an adjective are trying to imply proven morph, and yet be able to get off on a technicality when confronted with selling a normal animal. John Q. Public, with no morph knowledge, is likely to describe a pattern as "really light". However, when the word "pastel" is thrown around, JQP starts thinking that "really light" and "pastel" are the same. The fault is not with JQP, it's with sellers that try to affiliate beautifully colored normal animals with high priced proven genetic morphs.

Why is it that with snakes for which there is no "pastel" line, light colored animals are called just that: "light colored" or "light phase"? It's because there is no opportunity for more money by using the description of "pastel". Plain and simple.

I don't breed ball pythons any longer, and when I did, it was only normals. I don't think I qualify as a member of "the Brotherhood". I do think I'm qualified to call out a poor business practice when I see one, and I believe that's what this is about.

 

[bpc]

Guys (and gals), I get your points too. What I'm saying is that the choice of "pastel" as the adjective is just piss-poor. As an example, I've used this before, but once more into the breech....

Mojave Ball...........what the F does that look like????

Cinnamon ball.......well I think I know what that might look like.

Pastel ball.....well pastels are light colors, so I guess a pastel ball would be a light colored one.


Mojave works-it brings no pictures to mind. If you didn't already know what a mojave ball was, you'd have to see one to know.

Cinnamon kinda works because cinnamon is a spice, and as such not really used as an adjective. Someone who knew nothing might be able to pick one out of a line-up, but probably couldn't describe one.

Pastel is an adjective describing a shade of colors. I can say "pastel _________ snake," and people who know enough to know what a _________ snake is, will start to form a picture in their brain. Hence JQP gets confused when we choose to use crappy adjectives.

If we simply go "pastel jungle morph," the pics don't form so easily.

You speak of "getting off on a technicality." Where are they getting off? No one posting on this forum was fooled into thinking that animal was a pastel jungle morph. Anyone who is interested in spending $750-2500 on a pastel jungle morph should know what one looks like, don't ya think. Getting off implied there are legal consequences to sales made on these animals. If that is what you are implying, and you think "pastel" will hold up in court, I think you're wrong. "Pastel Jungle Morph," yes. "Pastel," I doubt it.

 

[ms_terese]

"Get off on a technicality" means that the term is being used to garner a high price for a normal by insinuating it's a morph to John Q., but when confronted with selling a normal at an inflated price while tossing around the word "pastel", the response is that they didn't say it was GENETIC. It's a loophole that too many unscrupulous people are using to get inflated prices for their animals.

When John Q. asks why this animal is $400 and not $85 like another one that he saw, he's told that it's because it's a "pastel". John Q. gets excited and pays the price. Now, if the seller had said it was $400 because it was "pretty", that most likely would not have resulted in a sale.

I do understand your point. I just believe that bad guys will find loopholes no matter what, and I don't think that having a reputable breeder say "pastel" instead of "Pastel Jungle Morph" is going to make it go away. It just requires the lovers of this hobby to continue to watchdog it, and continue to try to educate inexperienced buyers.

What else can ya do?

 

[TheVipersHouse]

lmao

man brian im sorry but u sound riduculous as all hell

if i see a nice ball python or a nice boa im not gonna say hey thats a nice pastel..............

im gonna say that ball or boa has some nice colors to it looks good

quit trying to think for the JOHN Q public and seriously get ur head outta that tiny hole behind you

you are making urself sound stupid im sorry but you are

YOU ARE TRYING TO CALL ALL NICE LIGHT COLORED ANIMALS PASTELS AND THEY IN FACT ARE NOT IN THE SAME CLASS



so please get off it u sound stupid ..

 

[bpc]

When John Q. asks why this animal is $400 and not $85 like another one that he saw, he's told that it's because it's a "pastel". John Q. gets excited and pays the price.

This implies that JQP knows that a "pastel" and Pastel jungle morph are the same thing. It implies that he understands the genetics. And it implies that he is willing to spend $400 on what he knows. No one here was fooled into buying that animal for $500. If it was a pastel jungle morph, it would have sold in 3 seconds. No one bit. JQP isn't going to bite either because no one is stupid enough to spend $400 on a snake they know nothing about. And if they are, is it really worth our time to protect them anyway?

YOU ARE TRYING TO CALL ALL NICE LIGHT COLORED ANIMALS PASTELS AND THEY IN FACT ARE NOT IN THE SAME CLASS

I........ am doing no such thing. The people approaching my booths at all the shows I do, do often make that mistake, and I.... take the time to explain the difference. Unlike many of you who try to personally attack anyone who isn't on the same level of knowledge as you. I have no problem with you calling me stupid, knock yourself out. I'm out there 25 weekends a year, and I know what I hear.

 

[ms_terese]

No one here was fooled into buying that animal for $500. If it was a pastel jungle morph, it would have sold in 3 seconds. No one bit. JQP isn't going to bite either because no one is stupid enough to spend $400 on a snake they know nothing about.

If you believe Geni's version, she traded nearly $3k worth of animals for this snake, and other vendors at a show agreed with her that it was that valuable. That's a problem for the industry as a whole.

If you don't believe Geni's version, and think she's trying to pass off a pretty little snake as a "pastel" to make some extra bucks, that's a problem for the industry as a whole as well.

Either way, this situation sucks.

And if they are, is it really worth our time to protect them anyway?

Yes. It's the right thing to do. I'm reminded of a quote, but can't remember who it is rightly attributed to: "Do good, and never mind to whom." There's a difference between stupidity, naivete, and inexperience. Regardless, I think it's worth the time to protect people from scams whenever possible.

 

[David Reid]

LET ME get this straight

Pastel does not = Pastel Jungle, BUT


Yawl = Yall ??????

 

[David Reid]

....

Y'all means you all, just like pastel means pastel jungle, just because you spell it yall and she spells it yawl, it means the same, just like pastel means pastel means pastel

 

[NEWReptiles]

Yet again, you don't understand what I am saying. I'm saying calling a snake a "pastel." Notice the period there. Does not qualify it as a morph.

Pastel does not = Pastel Jungle, BUT

Wrong, I will in fact be posting some "pastels" soon in the BP classifieds......

Pastel does not = Pastel Jungle, BUT

 

[HerpVenue]

Originally posted by bpc
BUT WHEN JOHN Q PUBLIC says, "damn, that's a nice pastel!" They think it applies to any light colored ball python. I'm not making this up folks! I hear it at least once a month.

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This really is getting pathetic. Originally posted by ajc
This really is getting pathetic.

actually I hear it often too. But not once a month.
I also hear it a lot for boas too.

 

[SPJ]

Does this mean that the industry is supposed to stop calling genetic pastels by the pastel name because a few crooks use the term loosely and uninformed people buy them?

I still think that a pastel is a pastel is a pastel. They are genetic.

Brightly colored normal BP's should never be advertised as pastels and every seller that uses that term to sell an animal should be called out on it.

 

[TheVipersHouse]

steve

QUOTE"

Does this mean that the industry is supposed to stop calling genetic pastels by the pastel name because a few crooks use the term loosely and uninformed people buy them?

I still think that a pastel is a pastel is a pastel. They are genetic.

Brightly colored normal BP's should never be advertised as pastels and every seller that uses that term to sell an animal should be called out on it.

"END QUOTE




HERE HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!! nuff said

 

[NEWReptiles]

Does this mean that the industry is supposed to stop calling genetic pastels by the pastel name because a few crooks use the term loosely and uninformed people buy them?

I still think that a pastel is a pastel is a pastel. They are genetic.

Brightly colored normal BP's should never be advertised as pastels and every seller that uses that term to sell an animal should be called out on it.?

I could not have said it better myself.

 

[bpc]

Guys, that's fine, call them out. But!!!! Realize, that you may actually encounter some people who don't know that the "industry" has highjacked this adjective. And that it now has a very specific meaning. They might be using the word not knowing any better. So before 15 of you send them nasty emails, threatening to kill their first-born, at least assertain whether or not they know what "pastel" means.

You guys get all riled-up awfully quick, and you have a tendency to come off as a bunch of pompous a$$es. People don't stay around very long listening to other people they don't like, or who have insulted and threathened them. Can you at least give me that?

 

[NEWReptiles]

EVERY pastel scam that has been called out so far has been that, A SCAM. We don't instantly jump, the sellers are emailed and its decided whether or not others should know about it.

You honestly think that these sellers just happened to pick the word pastel? NO, they read ads and see the higher price, then they slap the name on thier animal in hopes to get more for what they know is a normal.

 

[TheVipersHouse]

hmmmm

you call us pompass a$$holes and all this and u assume we send people nasty emails saying we kill their first born and now you want us to what give u credit for saying that the crooks who use the term pastel lightly and vaguely shouldnt be run up and down for trying to rip people off ..

if people know what pastel means then they are knowingly mislabeling their animals if they call their animal a pastel when its not its that simple

 

[bpc]

You honestly think that these sellers just happened to pick the word pastel? NO, they read ads and see the higher price

All of them? NO, absolutely not. But some, see a pastel jungle morph labeled with a common adjective like "pastel" and knowing nothing about the genetics behind it, think they have one of those also.

if people know what pastel means then they are knowingly mislabeling their animals if they call their animal a pastel when its not its that simple

IF...........that's the key word there. If they know, then yes, call them out. But yall are assuming EVERYONE knows.

We don't instantly jump, the sellers are emailed and its decided whether or not others should know about it

Damn, "We don't," "it's decided," maybe there's more to this Brotherhood thing than I thought!!!!

 

[screamdreams]

My thoughts:

Brian's point....I think he's just trying to say there is still a considerable number of people who keep reptiles that just don't understand....

The "brotherhood's" point....if they don't "understand" then what the h*ll are they doing selling them????

....I think we all agree on one thing though, and that's the fact that if someone knows but insists on misrepresenting their animals, then they'll get what they deserve


For everyone that does not know....this is a Pastel.