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Bad Guy Anthony J McCain

region reptiles said:
Daniel be the bigger man be done with it and move on he made his bed already. As for him being banned from other shows does anybody have 100% proof on how he keeps his animals other then somebody saying he does ?? Pics ??
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Of course the animals are very important, but even if there were no animals involved at all, a person threatening violence against someone who has disagreed with him has no place within the reptile community. And the fact that he demanded Brian provide him a table, well, what is that? It certainly wouldn't fly here in St. Louis.

Noelle
 
Noelle I will bet when the smoke clears and he does what he has to do about making things right he will be at the big shows. This is not the first time McCain has had issues.
 
region reptiles said:
Noelle I will bet when the smoke clears and he does what he has to do about making things right he will be at the big shows. This is not the first time McCain has had issues.
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The bar has already been set pretty low. A simple lip-service apology is apparently about all that's required for him to be welcomed back to NARBC shows. We can't let someone's overtly psychotic tendencies stand in the way of turning a profit. As has been shown time and again, there's often not much room for standing on principles when they may interfere with the bottom line.
 
region reptiles said:
Noelle I will bet when the smoke clears and he does what he has to do about making things right he will be at the big shows. This is not the first time McCain has had issues.
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Wow. Okay.
So he threatens violence and spews racist remarks, then says he's sorry, and everyone is okay with this??? More than once??? Guess I'm exceptionally naive.
What's the breaking point? What are people are waiting for? Does he actually have to physically harm someone or start a fight in front of a child at a show? Or is it like Dan suggests---as long as nobody's money is involved, all other behavior is acceptable?


Noelle
 
rcarichter said:
Wow. Okay.
So he threatens violence and spews racist remarks, then says he's sorry, and everyone is okay with this??? More than once??? Guess I'm exceptionally naive.
What's the breaking point? What are people are waiting for? Does he actually have to physically harm someone or start a fight in front of a child at a show? Or is it like Dan suggests---as long as nobody's money is involved, all other behavior is acceptable?


Noelle
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but if the earlier statements about his animal neglect/abuse are true, then allowing him to vend at any show is pretty much condoning his treatment of his animals, and funding him to continue to do this. I won't ever support a show that allows known animal abusers to vend there.
 
I would HOPE that this exact type of psychotic behavior would result in Banning from all Shows.

If Denise ever let this guy in at Hamburg, for example, then that's the last time I would ever go.

We had a member of the Dart Frog Community steal from a Vendor at White Plains and then from another member's gathering (a home !).

Needless to say, that guy is ostracized - never to return to the light of day in our hobby. Guaranteed.

Time to start treating everyone who deals with him, just like him - persona non grata.
 
I was kinda hoping this thread and the FB stuff (I have only read what is posted here, I do not frequent FB) would be a wake up call to Anthony. I have had a deal or two with Anthony, and like most people have said, he is cool one second and flies off the handle the next. He likes to belittle everyone else's collections, and talk himself up like he is the only Ball Python breeder doing anything in the hobby. I feel sorry for the guy, looks like he has dug a very big hole this time. I think someone who lives by him, maybe a few people at one time, should go over and video tape his operation. Let's see if it is as bad as some say, and if it is, time to hire an employee or two?? It is pretty sad...if he has any friends, it is time for an intervention.

Dave
 
I think someone who lives by him, maybe a few people at one time, should go over and video tape his operation
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With all due respect, David, do you really think it would be a good idea for people to show up unannounced, uninvited at the private property of someone who may possibly have anger/bi-polar issues? Especially to video tape?
 
Never said to go un announced. Maybe he wants to let the world see people are lying about his set ups?

Dave
 
From what he told me when I went down there, I'm the only person he's ever allowed to visit in person and see his collection. Other than a couple local friends that stop by and hang out. He said he doesn't trust anyone around his high-dollar stuff. I don't know the address of the property his snake house is on, but it's about 3-4 miles away from his main house (both are in the country), and that one is about 1 mile off the main highway around a bunch of lefts and rights and country roads. When I left, I had to have him lead me back to the highway because my GPS wouldn't work out there. So it's not easy to find. I assume both properties would be registered in his name.

HOWEVER, I do know he has guns, and his male American bulldogs are EXTREMELY aggressive. I think the big one's name was Bear if I remember right, and he scared the crap out of me...and I've worked with bully breeds and working German Shepherds my entire life. I don't put it past him to let his dogs loose if someone sets foot on his property. It's one reason he kerps 4 at his main house (1 in the house, 3 outside in kennels) and 4 at the snake house (2 outside in kennels out back and 2 in crates positioned right in front of the main door). They go ballistic when anyone approaches so he would know you're there immediately.
 
Anyone in real estate can find the other house with simple search though property deeds. If you know someone that can do the search, itll be simple and not illegal to search either.
 
His property is a matter of County public record; both properties in the same county. Anyone can find it. One is like a quarter acre, the other a little over 1 acre, fairly close to one another. One could presume which is the snake house from the photos.
 
The one listed in Grand Junction is his snake property. It has a random misplaced shed in the middle of an empty field right next to it that I remember crystal clear. I looked at the map on Google Earth and they put the map marker for that address in the middle of the road next to the random shed field, but the house to the south is exactly it. It has an angled driveway and a huge walnut tree out front next to the driveway/road that drops walnuts inside the green casings everywhere.
 
Why are you talking about were he lives ? No one is going to go there. No one is going to video tape anything. That's much too dangerous in this day and age.

What needs to be done is - no more show attendances and vending tables for this guy. No more patronizing from the entire Ball python hobby. Stop buying from this guy.
 
Philsuma said:
Why are you talking about were he lives?
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If Pink Lady Exotics decides to report her observations about the living conditions of the animals on the property to the local Animal Control or Sheriff, she would need an address.
 
I read part of this thread after reading the post on FB. This all started with a purchase that arrived without proper packing/insulation and the use of panty hose and socks instead of bags. That should have been the end of it. Now I'm reading bits and pieces related to Jen losing her collection. I know that issue all too well. People looking for address info, wanting to turn him in for the living conditions of his collection, etc.
STOP . . turning in any hobbyist or professional breeder will only come back and bite you in the ass. This is exactly the type of information that PETA and the Humane Society loves to get to use against us. We only hurt ourselves. The best way to handle Anthony is to not be his customer. Plain and simple. Don't buy from him. Don't buy his stock from another breeder. Take a stance and stick to it. It takes time but eventually these breeders move on to something else.
John Quinones
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