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Any info on Ankaramy Incorporated?

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Hello, I have been looking for a long time to buy some beautiful pink Ankaramy's and was recommended to call "Ankaramy Incorporated.
Adam. (631)383-7458." He has some anakaramy's for sale at a reasonable price (around $550.00). Has anyone dealt with him? I plan to buy a few and just want to make sure (he sounds very nice and very helpful!)

Any help from you experienced guys/gals would be appreciated!!!

Deanna
 
Deanna,

While your name of "Nada Moose" may be *cute* in your profile, your full name is required in BOI posts. I suggest changing your profile or the moderators will likely delete the thread.
 
Actually I am flattered you think "nada Moose" is cute, I will sign my postings
"Deanna Nada Moose", I am Yugoslavian (nada means hope) and married a man with last name of "Moose." I hope my thread will not be deleted because of my silly name.
 
Many apologies. The connotation in English seemed more than a coincidence.
 
Deanna,
Sorry, no information, direct or otherwise, on "Ankaramy Incorporated". That particular locale, the Ankaramy Pink, is uncommon in the panther chameleon community, and most F-1 (first generation offspring) in the U.S. were hatched from eggs laid by gravid imports, although there have been some true CBB F-1 as well. F-2 is even less common, and the problem one runs into is the ability to obtain unrelated breeders that were CBB and proven, and maintain strong bloodlines without the regular infusion of wild genes. Many more imports than CB's have been available on the market in the last 12 months, and the concerns there would be that the animals are of unknown age, and in the case of the females, may be mis-identified, or deliberate substitiutions from another locale somewhere in the import path. Considering a WC import Tamatave female can be had for $150 or less, the temptation has proven irresistble to several importers, etc. Adam should have no trouble providing you with the origination of his animals, or if CB, from whom he obtained the breeders, so that you can contact that person. Also, if offering CB female animals, there should be some record or pictures of sibling brothers from the same clutch that would lend validation to the females. So, while coming to the BOI is one place to start, the seller should be able to provide you with a list of names, both suppliers and customers. To be sure that they aren't just the names of his neighbors, he should be able to give you a name that is a known entity within the chameleon community. At $550 a pop, Ankaramy's don't fly well below the radar. Good luck with all.

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
No feedback????

Hard to believe, I would dare say almost impossible, that this guy has bred and hatched some Ankaramies and NOBODY has bought or sold to him. Now, that isn't to say it is impossible and would be awesome if this guy is legit and has bred and hatched some Pinks out but as TO once said, "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat.....". If you have bought from this guy Adam or sold to him please post your experiences.

Thanks,
Matt Jillson
 
If you check out their new ad on KS....they are able to take pictures of a baby Chameleon but yet have to "scan" what appears to be a picture from a book or magazine of an adult Ankaramy Pink. Something does not smell right to me on them.

HI,

WE NOW HAVE ANKARAMY PINK PANTHER CHAMELEONS FOR SALE. 4.5 MONTHS OLD AND ALREADY SHOWING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF PINK. SEEM TO BE TAKING AFTER THEIR FATHER. GUARANTEED 100% PURE!!! MALES AND FEMALES AVAILABLE. VERY HEALTHY AND EATING ALOT.

SORRY, THE PICS ARE NOT THAT GOOD. YOU CAN NOT TELL HOW PINK THE BABIES REALLY ARE. THEY SEEM TO BE NEARLY AS COLORFUL AS THE ADULTS WHILE SLEEPING. EMAIL ME FOR BETTER PICS!!!

THESE ANKARAMIES ARE SELLING QUICK. BE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN THE WORLD TO OWN A CAPTIVE BRED ANKARAMY PANTHER CHAMELEON!!! THESE ARE NOT AVAILABLE OFTEN!!!

PRICED AT $550 EACH.
Click to expand...
 
Hey Rob et al ..

I have been able to get a little bit of second-hand information on this, from a good source that has spoken to Ankaramy Inc., and at the same time don't want to make too many assumptions based on such info. I wish Ankaramy Inc would come here to explain their position themselves, and answer some questions, but they are young, and also may not know of the BOI. So, second hand, this is what I know.
The adult male seems to be in chameleon heaven. These gents (2) live on Long Island, and are in 16 and 19 years old respectively. They are enthusiastic about chameleons, and legitimately believe that they have the real deal. I do not know whether they claim the animals are CBB or just CH.
My own view is that they really hope that they have Ankaramy's. But from the picture of the offspring posted, which seems to be a female, to claim that they are showing pink is a stretch, at least anything beyond the pink you would expect in any locale at that size. For credibility's sake, I would hope that they hold off on sales and trades until the males color up. But at the same time, it always makes me smile to see people paying that kind of money for chameleons, AND if they do not prove true, then those who spent such money will know to go with someone more reputable, and buy their animals larger, in the future. My advice to those considering a purchase would be to request a picture of the animals(s) you are considering buying, and if the color isn't there, wait!

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
Hey Jim,

One thing about their animals, they state in their ads that the Ankaramy babies are captive bred. They make no statements toward c.h. Now there still very well may be c.h. animals and they are misrepresenting them as true c.b. animals but that is something that they only know for sure. I agree that I hope they are for real on these animals as there will be some very unhappy customers out there is they do not prove out to be genuine Ankaramy "pinks". I also find it very suspicious that a couple of young, new to the industry people can supposedly be having such great success with one of (if not the hardest" species of Pardalis out there to breed and keep successfully in captivity.
 
Apparently, the father is a WC, and the mother was a WC that was proven pure by Be Be Blue years ago (the mother's kids had grown up and were pure before Adam aquired the female, who then bred, laid eggs and died on him). I have been in contact with Adam (as he offered a trade). I have asked the same questions over the past few days, and that's the answer I got. I agree they're just too small to call them pure, or even to call them pink (anything can be pink at 4.5 months). The father picture looks "fishy" or at best, just interesting to me.
 
I was going to recount my experiences while working with this locale at BeBe Blu ..

But it seems that Tyler beat me to the punch. While CB pinks are not common, I was able to assemble a small breeding group there, and had success breeding them, before I came south to start up this business. I had no experience with them that made me feel that they were any more difficult to breed than any other locale providing one started with semi-robust WC's or CB's. I think that much of the reported difficulties in captive breeding can be traced to several issues involving their import: 1) It is a remote location in Madagascar, and the animals have thusly been in the export pipeline longer, which leads to more health concerns once imported, and higher numbers of DOA's; 2) With the higher price-tag, certain unscrupulous importers have been known to substitute lower priced females from other locales, claiming them to be Ankaramy's, and make the extra unethical buck .... some stateside breeders have done likewise; and 3) A reasonably sized gene-pool has never been established stateside. As long as individual hobbyists pay silly money for one, no one is likely to want to invest in another small herd of them at such high prices, for as soon as they have any breeding success, they are worth less than the more colorful Ambilobes. I'd have to say that the same difficulties with Nosy Mitsio's are why very few have been produced stateside from the original shipment over a year ago. My belief is that 75% of the female Mitsio's out there claimed to be from that shipment are anything but. Produced some nice hybrids though !!

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
getting some pictures

I have emailed the "company" for some better pictures...to post on here..I dont know much about them, but thought I would share as soon as I got them....
 
Hi, It's Ank-Inc!!!

Hi,

This is Adam, the owner of Ank-Inc. I have been reading what you guys have been saying, and I thought I'd just clear everything up. First of all, here is how I know the female was pure. I bought the parents from bebeblu. They were both wild caught. Paul already bred her there, and raised up the babies to adult. The babies turned out being pure ankaramy. Then, I bought the pair. I bred them, and got the eggs successfully. After that, she retained sperm, and layed another clutch without me breeding them; she got egg bound and died. A couple months later, the father died as well; unknown cause of death. Now the eggs have hatched and I raised them up to 4.5 months old, and I am selling them.

As for the peculiar pics, I did not have a digital camera when I had the parents, so the only pic I had of the father was one that Paul gave me that he took himself. Since I never backed up my pics on my computer with a disk, when my computer crashed 2 months ago the pic was lost. Luckily, I atleast printed the pic out before hand. Now all I could do is scan it in.

Now, I know that in the pic of the baby on kingsnake, the baby doesn't look that pink. But honestly, especially when the male babies sleep, they are nearly as pink as the adults. I will try again to take some better pics of them tonight.

Also, I know that everyone is saying that they are sooooo hard to keep. I did not notice any difference than any other locale, except that they seem to be a little bit shyer (especially females). Otherwise, they were just as hardy. I still keep some other adult ankaramies (none for sale)and they are doing well also. As for all of you asking, right now I do not have any eggs incubating, but probably will in a few weeks. I'll keep everyone posted.

By the way Jim, where did you get that second hand info. I'm just curious.

If anyone has any other questions, feel free to call my cell or email me. Or post it here and I will respond. Have a good day everyone!!! :)

P.S.- I got a new cell phone #.


Ankaramy Inc.
Adam
(631)813-5966
[email protected]
 
Hey Adam, glad to see you post here ...

As for the "second hand", it was Jon, and he had nothing but good things to say about you guys ... a little bit young, but full of enthusiasm! And if what he tells me is correct, you are now in possession of some of my product. If the original Ankaramy's were WC, you can thank me twice, cause I picked them out from probably the best imported batch ever brought in by Aline Reptiles. I concur with your husbandry observations, and wish you more success. My recommendation is to always let the males color up before you confirm the female, regardless of where you got her, but that choice is yours to make.

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
Thanks twice!!

Oh!!!!

So that is where Jon got em. Happy to hear it!! Jon told me that he is getting more from you guys in a week or two. Some ambilobe females that are around 6,7 months old. I'll be sure to get some of that batch as well!!

By the way, thanks twice!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Ank-Inc.
 
Here is a more recent pic...

Just wanted to post a more recent pic of the ankaramies that I bred, hatched and raised successfully at a little under 6 months old. However, you still can't see how pink they really are. If anyone has any tips on taking chameleon pics, please let me know. I will try to post some better pics as soon as I get around to it.


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"Hard to believe, I would dare say almost impossible, that this guy has bred and hatched some Ankaramies" -Matt Jillson.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Ank-Inc.
Adam.
 
Adam,
Is your business incorporated in NY, with Articles of Organization (or whatever NY requires) on file with the Secretary of State up there and with applicable fees paid? Do you have an Operating Agreement, or other similar document? Or is "Ankaramy, Inc" just a name?

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company
 
Ankaramies where????

And I still stick to what I said. If nobody can vouch for you, buyer or seller and you come out of left field with bold claims, and tiny, colorless animals that you are claiming to be guaranteed pure - ESPECIALLY with a so-called WC female - yeah, I'm not, nor is anyone else going to buy what you're pitching. It also doesn't help your cause when you email other breeders asking for tips on breeding Panthers, i.e. introducing females to males. I mean, if you bred and hatched these animals wouldn't you already know that kind of stuff?

From the pictures you're showing of 6 month animals that look more like 2.5 month olds, I still don't buy what you're selling. You're going to have to come up with better pictures of grown animals than that before I will say congratulations. I hope they are pure, I really do, but what you are selling are colorless animals that at this point you can't prove one way or the other but yet you guarantee them. That "sales pitch" will draw nothing but skeptics not believers. My advice is to laugh less and grow your animals up more, adjust your husbandry because they look stunted in growth and take better pictures that show they are actually Ankaramies without a doubt and then you'll get the pat on the back you are eager for.


Matt Jillson
 
Adam, be careful with your statements if you can. Don't get too confident yet on your product until you see results. I don't think that you should be going off laughing and trying to prove Matt wrong by posting half of his statement in that quote and especially when Matt has a valid point on his reply.

As you can see here:

Hard to believe, I would dare say almost impossible, that this guy has bred and hatched some Ankaramies and NOBODY has bought or sold to him.

Matt is simply saying that he finds it hard to believe that you bred Ankaramies AND nobody has dealt with you to give feedback. Yes he is skeptical but the sentence was not in a context where the important part is that he doesn't believe they are Ankaramies. Now I can tell you that the pics you have posted so far do not prove they are Ankaramies. They look like any baby panther at that age. I hope they are pure Ankaramies and that they are the pinkest ones ever, but there is still a lot of growing and coloring up to do before such a statement can be made. Don't feel tempted into going to prove anyone wrong (Matt in this case) until you have irrefutable evidence. Matt will be the first one to congratulate you if you do have pure babies as he and I both agree that it would be good to have some CB ones running around in the hobby.

You have to understand that the reason some of us have not traded with you for them is because we still don't buy the purity of the stock based on personal experiences. We have all been burned at one point or another by certain importers that guarantee first pick, guarantee locality and always "take care of you buddy". What that means is that they sell you a female of the locale you need at the price of that locale. I do hope your founding stock is 100% pure as you will have nothing to worry about... however, the importer who got those animals in to Bebe Blu (not Paul) could have also "taken care of you buddy" and sent him a potpourri of females all labeled Ankaramies.

Good luck growing the babies to sub-adulthood and even better wishes in proving them to be pure and establishing a nice breeding colony.
 
You guys are right....

It is very difficult to tell their color in that pic. My darn camera sucks. Also, every time I open the cage to take a pic when they are pink, they get scard and turn blackish. However, I can certainly tell that they are pure ankaramy, and I will try to get some better pics to show you guys asap.

Matt, that was out of line, but I am "eager for the pat on the back". But don't worry, I will post some better pics asap.

Also, ankaramies do grow at a slower rate than other locales. Even though they are all furcifer pardalis, ankaramies are different than other locales. Besides having a slower growth rate, they are also much shyer, especially the males, and their cage must have a thicker amount of foliage for them to thrive.

Jim, Ank-Inc. is not incorporated, and I didn't mean for anyone to think that. It is just our name.

Well, I'm going to try to take some better pics....Ttyl.

Ank-Inc.
Adam.
 
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