anyone know of Drew

[Donel]

Hi Guy's,well I wasn't going to post again,but felt a need after today's goings on.My deal with Drew for the DH Sunglows fell through today(Big surprise).To make a long story short he could not come up with adequate proof of genetics on these.Nor would he give me any info on the breeder besides his name(Donald King,Isn't this a boxing promoter!LOL!) so I could confirm for myself.So I really feel like a complete ass! And I am super pissed!
And to think I stuck my neck out to try and give him every benefit of the doubt,that's why I wrote what I did in the previous posts, to give the guy a break because I believe in innocent until proven guilty beyond a resonable doubt.My apologies to Alvaro,Tony and Ritchie.I think this guy should not be dealing reptiles nor anything else.And after reading your latest findings about his dealings on Reptibid(not to mention all the other sketchy crap!!),I think he should be put through the ringer!!!!!

 

[HerpVenue]

My apologies to Alvaro,Tony and Ritchie

What did you say to me that warrants an apology?
Because I could not find any.
You stated your opinion which you are entitled to.

I will not accept your apology because there is none needed.
Feel free to speak your mind ANYTIME.

This board needs to get points of view from everyone......no matter what "side"

 

[The BoidSmith]

Donel,

Same here. You expressed your opinion and I took it as such. As I said before. I don't know if I should say sorry that the deal fell through. You might have been lucky!

Say Greg, was proof ever provided as for the origin (CB or not) of your Sanzinia?

Take care.

 

[Greg Riso]

Sanzinia

Alvaro, Proof of being captive bred is not necessary for this species unless it is to be exported OUT of the US. That's where CITES paperwork kicks in. Selling Sanzinia within the US is not regulated as long as it can be proven a given animal was bought here. I heard this for the third time on Friday from Bob Clark. I'm in the process of buying a 1.5 yo female from him to go with Drew's male and he said he won't be providing any special paperwork with his animal either. Bob does a lot of exporting so he should know so I'm not particularly worried about it. I am keeping all records of these transactions for the day when I produce them myself.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Greg,

Good to hear about that. I was just following up on what you had said earlier in this thread.

I did ask Drew who bred it and I was told it was captive bred by "boabreeder". If this is a CITES listed animal (I believe it is) I'll definately have to get some paperwork on it. I'll request same from Drew immediately.

What Joe suggested:

Opps, I see wher he claimed who the breeder was. Get a name, address, phone number and contact them. Confirm the sale to Drew. Ask them for some type of paperwork stating they bred them.

And what you then told me:

Alvaro, I wrote Drew and hetold me who bred the animal who I in turn contacted. He told me that as long as it's not exported out of the country this animal is not covered under CITES. Proof of US origin is needed which I'm waiting on.

From what I hear now it seems you were never able to confirm if the animal was CB or not. My point being not about its legal status but with the fact that it was sold as CB, as stated in his ad:

Beautiful c/b 2003 mandarin phase Sanzina, without the tree boa attitude! This little male is TAME!

Thanks,

Dan

 

[Dembinski Reptiles]

Sanzina

Greg is right in the fact that you DO NOT need any paperwork to keep, breed or sell Sanzinia's. The only time you'd need any proof is if your exporting. But I disagree with Bob Clark to some point. Why not provide something documenting the origins of the animal purchased ? Greg, if a "sting" happens this only protects you and your investment, to have some sort of papertrail on all your stock. Let me give you a example:

1) A illegal shipment of Sanzinia's comes into to US.

2) Their's a leak and the feds find out about the illegal shipment and who signed the airbill at the airport.

3) They raid the suspects house and find proof of a smuggling ring out of Madagascar.

4) They get a record of who this person sold these "protected" animals too. They are extremely protected in Madagascar.

5) One buyer happened to be you. They get probable cause to get a search warrant for your house. They see that you bought the animal in good faith and dont charge you, BUT you will lose the animal.

6) While there they see several more Sanzinia's or other protected herps. Ask for proof of origins. You cant provide any and BAM they take those as well.

ARE the cahnces these will play out ?? I highly doubt it, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED. As I stated before take the "better safe than sorry" road. I do. Ask Bob to provide something. Heck, I even ask Tracy Barker for paperwork on hets, god forbid. Most will understand your concerns and help out. Is Bob right ?? Yep. Im I right ?? Darn tooten.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Since it relates to the new thread posted I thought it was worth bringing this one to the top again

 

[Markm0723]

You all may be right in your opinions, I can't say yes or no for another couple of years as to if the female alb. het boa I purchased from Drew, is a true het or not. All I can go by is the written word and pictures. I was given the name of the breeder, and the ages and genetics of the parents. Let's turn the table, if I purchase a snake from "you" (let's assume, one you bred) what other documentation could you give me? This is not just a retorical question, I'm in the process of building a breeding stock of Boas and Pythons, and would like to know what kind of documentation is trustworthy.

Thanks in Advance,
Mark

 

[snakeman1313]

The only way I know of to be sure of the genetics of hets is to only buy them from big name breeders that will without doubt be around when they reach breeding age, or buy from personal friends where you have first hand knowledge of the breedings. In my opinion buying hets any other way is nothing more than a calculated risk that we will all probably take from time to time.

 

[HerpVenue]

I'm in the process of building a breeding stock of Boas and Pythons, and would like to know what kind of documentation is trustworthy.

Well
1. Pictures.
2. Paperwork
3. My word (the most important thing of all.)


You want to know what is funny?
He has all these hets for sale and only one albino for sale.

It just so happens he sold the albino to himself....so no one else will see it

(Bidders name: Rxdoctor) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 08:00 PM) - (Amount of bid: $100.00)
(Bidders name: Sgtsandy) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 09:00 PM) - (Amount of bid: $120.00)
(Bidders name: Karma) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 09:27 PM) - (Amount of bid: $200.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Sgtsandy) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 09:27 PM) - (Amount of bid: $200.00)
(Bidders name: Dopeyscellar03) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 10:30 PM) - (Amount of bid: $220.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Sgtsandy) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 10:30 PM) - (Amount of bid: $400.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Dopeyscellar03) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 10:30 PM) - (Amount of bid: $420.00)
(Bidders name: Sgtsandy) - (Bid Time: Wed Mar 03, 10:58 PM) - (Amount of bid: $440.00)
(Bidders name: Redtailman) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 04:47 AM) - (Amount of bid: $460.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Sgtsandy) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 04:47 AM) - (Amount of bid: $500.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Redtailman) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 04:47 AM) - (Amount of bid: $520.00)
(Bidders name: Bobsreptiles) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 09:58 AM) - (Amount of bid: $540.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Redtailman) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 09:58 AM) - (Amount of bid: $540.00)
(Bidders name: Bobsreptiles) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 09:59 AM) - (Amount of bid: $560.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Redtailman) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 09:59 AM) - (Amount of bid: $560.00)
(Bidders name: Bobsreptiles) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 09:59 AM) - (Amount of bid: $580.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Redtailman) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 09:59 AM) - (Amount of bid: $580.00)
(Bidders name: Bobsreptiles) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 10:00 AM) - (Amount of bid: $600.00) beaten by a proxy bid

(Bidders name: Redtailman) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 10:00 AM) - (Amount of bid: $600.00)
(Bidders name: Bobsreptiles) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 10:01 AM) - (Amount of bid: $700.00)
(Bidders name: Chainlynx) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 05:42 PM) - (Amount of bid: $720.00)
(Bidders name: Bobsreptiles) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 05:46 PM) - (Amount of bid: $750.00)
(Bidders name: Chainlynx) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 05:55 PM) - (Amount of bid: $770.00)
(Bidders name: Bayherps) - (Bid Time: Thu Mar 04, 07:29 PM) - (Amount of bid: $1200.00)
(Bidders name: Marlboro) - (Bid Time: Mon Mar 08, 10:18 PM) - (Amount of bid: $1220.00)

he already won as bayherps....
but he had to make himself look special by bidding with his other screen name marlboro.

 

[cahrens]

Mark,
First of all good luck with your het. I hope it proves out for you. As far as documentation goes it's all pretty worthless. The key is to trust the breeder/seller. In your situation the seller has proven on numerous occasions to be untrustworthy or at least willing to do some shady things. All the paperwork in the world won't help you if he's not around 2 years from now IF the het doesn't prove out. Now if you wanted to purchase a het from me(if I bred) I couldn't give much more in the line of paperwork than he has. I could however show you the parents and pics of the whole litter. Also if you searched for me on the BOI you wouldn't find a bunch of situations where I've shown myself to be...... less than honest. Now in a normalXalbino breeding the pic of the litter wouldn't do much good. Some people are putting microchips in their hets so it can be verified. Again, this is only good if the people are going to be around years down the road if the het doesn't prove out. I guess what it all amounts to is that hets are a calculated risk as Vincent said. The only way to tip the scales in your favor is to buy from a name you can trust. Anyway, again, good luck with your het. -Chris

 

[The BoidSmith]

As far as documentation goes it's all pretty worthless. The key is to trust the breeder/seller.

Chris,

You have a point. But most of the reputable breeders have already implemented an I.D. system for their animals. Although they know people trust them blindly they are still doing it. What they have found is that they don't want to be deal with people that call them and state they have bought a snake from John "Q" Herpman (who has since vanished), which was supposedly bred in their facilities and that has not proven out.

The old "paperwork" that states in writing "so-and-so" bought an hetero for albino boa from me, it's no longer good. There needs to be further reassurance, either picture i.d. or microchipping.
Years ago I was offered an hetero snake that apparently had been bred by one of the big names in the industry. I called them and the answer I received was "let's hope the paperwork stayed with the same snake" (and I believe that's the point you were making about the paperwork not being enough). Luckily things have changed since then.

We provide proper i.d. for other species (both livestock and companion animals) that are worth in some instances a fraction of what some snakes are going for, why should they be the exception?

Breeders have to understand it's their name that's at stake and not that of the middleman.

Regards.

 

[Greg Riso]

It's Now One Year Later.......

and Drew is still screwing people over. How can he be allowed to still post animals at Reptibid with so many complaints? Here's a link to current discussion concerning alleged fake hets and a missexed animal. I've put a link there to this thread as well.
http://www.reptileauction.com/cgi-b...uestion&category=b_snake_boas&item=1116455172

 

[The BoidSmith]

Great Snake
This is a male redtail that was sold to me as a 100% HET albino female by herpcorner that turned out to be male. I paid $650.00 for him and have tried to get a hold of herpcorner his real name is Andras Kosdi. Please beware of him he is a liar and a cheat. Back to the snake. He is a very good animal eats large FT rats and has no health issues guaranteed. This is a no reserve auction highest bidder wins. Shipping will be $55.00 UPS overnight. If it is more I will pay if it is less you will receive the differance. Personal checks must clear before shipping. Thank you and happy bidding.
Added by the Seller on Fri May 06, 05:14 AM:
I do not guarantee this is animal is 100% HET for albino in anyway. That is why there is no reserve. Thank you Shawn.
Added by the Seller on Fri May 06, 05:20 AM:
It is to early in the morning for me. I do not guarantee that this animal is a 100% HET for albino. Have fun that is what this is all about. Please forgive my typo LOL Shawn.
Added by the Seller on Sat May 14, 08:12 AM:
Thank you for your comment. This is not a new subject I have been trying for almost a year to get the paper work from him. This animal was almost two years old when I bought it. He said he would give a written guarantee. He has not furnished me with anything. I have tried almost a year to get this guy to answer the phone and emails. Please tell me why he does not answer? I am now selling the snakes to recoop some of my losses. If you read his comments here you will see that he says he is not the breeder. In the ad he placed here on reptbid he said the animals were born at his facility. That in it self is a misleading statement. He said the animal was probed twice. When I sell a het I give a written guarantee with photo ID which is transferable to any owner. I know which ones are mine because I keep the same photo on file. Please understand I have worked with people who have made a honest mistake before or even ones who didnt but made it right. The only reason I posted this ad the way I did is to let other people know what he done. If you want to deal with him please do. If you think a person could make a honest mistake in not answering their email, phone or not sending paperwork to people and then not probe the snake right two times. Im sorry, I cannot. Please understand my frustration in dealing with this guy over the last year. I love the snakes that I have including the ones that I got from Drew and would love to keep them all. Like most I have goals and to waste a year guessing is not in the plan but we all must deal with it and accept it as the norm, I dont think so. I do thank you for your time Shawn.

We had hoped that this thread would be enough to alert people about him but it seems some are new buyers and some have forgotten about the whole “Drew” ordeal. Regrettably Drew is back and using his same MO. After looking all over trying to find the elusive Don King (the breeder, not the boxing promoter!) there was not even one person who knew who he was. It’s amazing, Mr. King produced in FL hetero for ghosts, albinos, etc. left and right and no-one has ever heard from him. Now he has conveniently disappeared after “getting rid of all his breeding stock”. It would be really nice to know of at least one person who bought any of those breeders. Those that bought hypos/salmons hetero for ghosts (that posted earlier in this thread) will at least be able to produce some hypos/salmons from those animals, but those that bought his heterozygous for albino…well you are probably aware of what the odds are.

Regards.

 

[cyberfrog]

First of all, as far is this guys personal info goes, if he is out scamming people like this I would want to know his name, address, phone #'s, last 4 of his SSN, Blood Type, what he had for breakfast, anything that could possible help me not be ripped off.

Secondly, this guys is a foreign national obviously(he uses W instead of V, someone in the US speaking english this long should know the difference, that's a german(hungarian) thing) and there is nothing stopping him from ripping off how ever many people he sees fit, then when the heat comes down he can blame it on the mystery partner. If the mystery partner bit crumbles, which I am sure it would, he could just skip the country, and there wouldn't be a damned thing anyone could do about it. My step-dad got ripped off on a remodel deal on a house by a British guy who had him do all of the word, sold the house, then skipped to England without paying a dime, nothing you can do.

I personally would never get involved with a foreign national, especially considering most European countries have NO computer crime laws. He could run home and most likely anything he did in the US would not be considered a criminal act there so even if he was found guilty of however much computer fraud in absentia, he could never be extradited to pay for his crimes.

Sounds to me like this guys is pissed because some of the BOI bloodhounds caught his scent and treed the crap out of him. Now he has no place to go but down. It is no suprise that his first response was indignance, and his futher responses apologetic, and the next will probably come the "acceptance" stage where he claims to have learned the error of his ways and he will be all better now, etc etc. I don't see that happening, he is a big boy, and he knew what he was doing to make money. The lies and deceit in his early emails that was exposed in later ones confirm that.

I personally have no sympathy for him and this thread only furthers my desire to never go near ReptiAuction and especially to never deal with a foreign national!
Adam

 

[The BoidSmith]

First of all, as far is this guys personal info goes, if he is out scamming people like this I would want to know his name, address, phone #'s, last 4 of his SSN, Blood Type, what he had for breakfast, anything that could possible help me not be ripped off.

Adam,

His complete information is on this thread.

I personally have no sympathy for him and this thread only furthers my desire to never go near ReptiAuction and especially to never deal with a foreign national!

We agree on the first statement (I have never bought from Reptibid) but not on your generalization on the second statement. In my opinion no foreign national would risk loosing his status, and face deportation or fleeing the country over a $300 deal on a snake. More often than not you are going to be scammed by those that feel safe, those are not usually the foreign nationals.

Best regards.

 

[cyberfrog]

1 $300 scam, maybe not, 1000 $300 scams, maybe. Personal decision of mine, I don't care where you are from, what color your skin is, etc. If I know you personally and you are a foreign national I may still deal with you, but a random guy on an auction site, not farkin likely.

 

[RTBoas]

I personally will never buy on Reptibid

Thanks for bring this to light again, can't believe this guy still is ripping people off.

Reptibid should start charging and that scammer will have to pay for all his accts/names.

I personally have never seen him post ads on Kingsnake or on this site.
I guess he can get away with it there, so for your protection don't buy from the loser/Reptibid .