KelliH
doesn't drink the koolaid
A man by the name of Arnaud Moi (at least that's what he told me his name was) contacted me on 10/06/07 about possibly purchasing some geckos from me to be shipped to the German HAMM Show in December of 07. The following is a timeline and copies of the majority of our correspondence, which was all done via email. A few of the emails I no longer have and they must have been deleted, but I did save most of them.
He did end up reserving several geckos:
He replied with this-
In the above email, he attached a photo of this gecko-
He then sent me an email with an additional request for geckos he was ordering for a friend-
There was a copy of the bank transfer for the $1000 attached to the above email.
That was the only money I ever received from him.
We exchanged a few more emails after that that I cannot find; they must have gotten deleted.
When I had received no more money and there was only about 2 more weeks left until I could ship to the HAMM show, I contacted him to express concern (I did not want him to lose his deposit and not get any animals) and he wrote back that he would send it right away. He sent me another copy of an online bank transfer that looked the same as the other one, only the amount was for $4800 (the balance for his and his friend's orders).
I then did something very stupid. I went ahead and shipped the geckos to HAMM before the money went into my bank account. I sent geckos to around 8-10 different people to be picked up at that particular HAMM show. Every single person with the exception of Arnaud emailed me to let me know they got their geckos. A couple more weeks or so went by and still no $4800 in my account, so I wrote Arnaud this email on December 22:
He actually replied to me with this message-
So I was actually feeling like it was some kind of banking error and that eventually I would get my money. I didn't think he was going to steal it since he actually wrote me back rather than ignoring me. But of course... the money never came... Another email I sent him on 01/04/08-
Arnaud had told us that he had bought geckos from JMG Reptile and A & M Gecko in the past, so my husband wrote Jeff from JMG this email on 01/05/08-
Jeff wrote back to Steve and said, no, he had no record of any deals with the guy.
I forwarded Jeff's reply to Arnaud along with a message from me on 01/05/08-
I also asked Alberto from A & M Gecko if he had ever done business with Arnaud and he told me that he had and that Arnaud owed him a lot of money as well.
There is more to this story, but I will tell it in a second post in this thread.
----- Original Message -----
From: "arnaud moi" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: geckos leopard
> Hi ,
> I live in Spain.
> I search exceptionnal geckos females
> Can you ship in Europe with a friend ( Hamm or Houten or Barcelona shows )
> ?
> For the moment , in your website, All good geckos are reserved but I
> search "exceptionnal" geckos
>
> - red eye enigma
> - SHTCTB( CT 100% or 90% )
> - Raptor ( 2 red eyes )
> - mack snow 100% het Raptor
> - ....
>
> This year , my exceptionnal gecko is mack snow enigma het.tremper. I want
> more good geckos
>
> I truts in you.
> In your prices, please, incluided shipping, tax...
> Thanks
>
He did end up reserving several geckos:
>>From: "Steve and Kelli Hammack" <[email protected]>
>>To: "arnaud moi" <[email protected]>
>>Subject: Re: geckos leopard
>>Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:51:34 -0500
>>
>>Hi There-
>>
>>Sorry, I've been away from my desk for awhile
>>I did receive your order and all are available except the two Bold
>>Stripes. All my Bold Stripes are on hold and probably spoken for by
>>another customer. If any become available again you will be first to know.
>>So here is a breakdown of your order:
>>
>>ID#05.02..................$300
>>ID#06.06..................$300
>>ID#06.03..................$500
>>ID#07LG.07.............not available
>>ID#07LG.173.A.......not available
>>ID#07LG.195...........$2250
>>ID#07LG.189...........$1500
>>ID#05.07..................$150
>>ID#07LG.351...........$350
>>_________________________
>>Total.........................$5350
>>Total after Discount...$4750
>>Delivery Fee..............$50
>>Grand Total...............$4800
>>
>>
>>What I did was take a little over 10% off the total, so basically you are
>>getting $600 off the Enigmas.
>>
>>I am holding all of these for you and have marked them ON HOLD on my
>>website. I do require payment in full up front for HAMM orders. Pay Pal is
>>my preferred method of payment, but I also accept credit cards directly or
>>bank transfer. Please let me know as soon as possible if you will be
>>purchasing the geckos and also if you have any additional questions.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Kelli
>>
>>H.I.S.S.
>>http://www.hisss.net
>>http://
>>^HP^
>>http://hayden-putteet.memory-of.com
>>http://tonyhawkfoundation.org/
>>817.246.7740
He replied with this-
----- Original Message -----
From: "arnaud moi" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: geckos leopard
> OK thanks for your response.
> I'm disappointed for the bold stripe.
> Thanks for the discount but , yesterday , I bought a big male and he eat
> my money !!!!
> If you can do 4300-4500 for me, we have a deal and I will buy a bold
> stripe pair to you when you will have them.
> If you are ok , we have a deal and I send you a deposit tomorrow or today
> if I can.
>
> Last question , I can do a deposit now and I can pay the rest in November.
> That's possible ?
> I'm serious ( you can ask Alberto cadolini , Alex Hue about me )
>
> I'm waiting your response.
> I hope a good deal with you because you are a very good reputation in my
> country and your animals too !!
> For the deposit , I need your bank details because my account PayPal have
> a problem.
>
> Thanks for all my friends
OK, how about $4400 for all? I don't mind a deposit now and the rest in November as long as the deposit is at least 25% ($1100) or more. Does that
work for you? Let me know and if it does I will reply with my bank
information and you can do a transfer. Thanks,
Kelli
PS. What kind of male did you get?![]()
Ok for $4400
I can do a transfer for $1100 , are you ok ?
I will pay the rest in November or before..... I trust in you for good
geckos with good size and health.....but I'm sure of that with your very
good reputation !!!
I join to you a pic of the male... ;-)....
Can you join me a confirmation of reservation for my order please ?.
Thanks for all.
Have you got my details ?
In the above email, he attached a photo of this gecko-
Arnaud-
OK, that all sounds good and I am reserving the geckos for you.
My bank info is as follows:
Bank Name: removed for security purposes
Account #: removed for security purposes
Routing #: removed for security purposes
Sometimes for international orders that is all you need, sometimes you need
more information. If the above does not work for the transfer, here is an
alternate way:
1.) Wire to: removed for security purposes
Account #: removed for security purposes
Swift #: removed for security purposes
2.) Transfer to: removed for security purposes
Account #: removed for security purposes
3.) Transfer to:
Beneficiary: Stephen Hammack
Beneficiary Account #: removed for security purposes
Let me know when the transfer goes through on your end, and I will do the
same on my end. Thanks!
Kelli
H.I.S.S.
http://www.hisss.net
http://
^HP^
http://hayden-putteet.memory-of.com
http://tonyhawkfoundation.org/
817.246.7740
He then sent me an email with an additional request for geckos he was ordering for a friend-
Ok.
I do this today . I send you $1000 and I will sent you the rest before end
of November.
My friend is interested for some geckos. Can you do a good price for for
this group ( a very good price ) ...If price is very good, I take all and he
pay all now.
-07LG.214
-07LG.230
-07LG.285
-07LG.297
-07LG.126
-07LG.431
-07LG.28
-07LG.299
Thanks
Let me know if that is all you needed, and if the transfer goes through. As for your friend's order, here is a breakdown of that with prices. I am
offering a discount on the total which I feel is quite generous. I have
all of these geckos on hold for you, please let me know if you want them :
-07LG.214..........$200
-07LG.230..........$200
-07LG.285..........$200
-07LG.297..........$200
-07LG.126..........$200
-07LG.431..........$200
-07LG.28............$200
-07LG.299..........$250
___________________
Total....................$1650
-Discount............-$330
Grand Total..........$1320
Thanks,
Kelli Hammack
H.I.S.S.
http://www.hisss.net
http://
^HP^
http://hayden-putteet.memory-of.com
http://tonyhawkfoundation.org/
817.246.7740
I will send you : $1000 tonight.
Just one things : swift code is incorrect ? can you verify it ?
I need ABA for your account.
Thanks for this.
I do the transfer when I have all because I can't for the moment.
Other thing : for the second order , I can pay $1000. If you are ok for this
amount, I pay all this week too....and we will have two deals !!! ;-)
I wait all and I send money.
Hi,
I sent money ( $940 ).... because I've $63 charge for each transfer to USA
!!!!
I don't understand and I will see my bank tomorrow..... they are thieves !!!
Bob Clark works in my bank.... !!! ;-)
My friend take the second order... for $1000 charge for Hamm incluided , we
are are ok ?
We have a deal and I will send you $1000 this week.
I trust in you to reserve them....
Have you an exceptionnal gecko that we can't see in your web site..... I
like surprise !!!
I join copy of transfer .
There was a copy of the bank transfer for the $1000 attached to the above email.
That was the only money I ever received from him.
We exchanged a few more emails after that that I cannot find; they must have gotten deleted.
When I had received no more money and there was only about 2 more weeks left until I could ship to the HAMM show, I contacted him to express concern (I did not want him to lose his deposit and not get any animals) and he wrote back that he would send it right away. He sent me another copy of an online bank transfer that looked the same as the other one, only the amount was for $4800 (the balance for his and his friend's orders).
I then did something very stupid. I went ahead and shipped the geckos to HAMM before the money went into my bank account. I sent geckos to around 8-10 different people to be picked up at that particular HAMM show. Every single person with the exception of Arnaud emailed me to let me know they got their geckos. A couple more weeks or so went by and still no $4800 in my account, so I wrote Arnaud this email on December 22:
Hi There-
Just letting you know still no money in our account. It should not take so
long, it never has before. I am concerned, please contact your bank on Monday
and see if they can track the transfer. My bank of course cannot because
they have no record of it.
Getting concerned,
Kelli
H.I.S.S.
http://www.hisss.net
http://
^HP^
http://hayden-putteet.memory-of.com
http://tonyhawkfoundation.org/
817.246.7740
He actually replied to me with this message-
----- Original Message -----
From: arnaud moi
To: Steve and Kelli Hammack
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: happy christmas
I will contact them next weeks because it's christmas'week .
I will send you any news when I will see them
Happy christmas and happy new year....
So I was actually feeling like it was some kind of banking error and that eventually I would get my money. I didn't think he was going to steal it since he actually wrote me back rather than ignoring me. But of course... the money never came... Another email I sent him on 01/04/08-
Hi Arnaud,
Please write me back; I am very concerned. Thanks,
Kelli
H.I.S.S.
http://www.hisss.net
http://
^HP^
http://hayden-putteet.memory-of.com
http://tonyhawkfoundation.org/
817.246.7740
Arnaud had told us that he had bought geckos from JMG Reptile and A & M Gecko in the past, so my husband wrote Jeff from JMG this email on 01/05/08-
Hi Jeff,
This is Steve Hammack, Kelli's husband.
I have a question for you about a customer of ours who said that he has also bought from you as well. He is from France and his name, as far as we know, is Arnaud Moi.
He bought a lot of geckos for this past Decembers Hamm show from us, paid us just fine with a deposit via wire transfer. Now it seems that we cannot get the balance from him, even though he convinced us to go ahead and send the geckos over to him. So, he has a lot of our geckos and money, that he already received in early December at the Hamm show, and we only have a small deposit from him.
The reason I am asking about him is that he gave you as a reference and told us that it took his bank nearly 36 days to get you your money. If you don't mind me asking, is that correct? He is on day 30 with us now and we still have no money. He did email us copies of what appear to be a legitimate wire transfer from a French bank, but we still have not received it yet. I am just worried.
I will understand if you do not feel the need to respond. I just wanted to try and verify his story.
Thanks for your time and I hope that 2008 is good to you guys.
Take care.
Steve Hammack
H.I.S.S.
http://www.hisss.net
http://
^HP^
http://hayden-putteet.memory-of.com
http://tonyhawkfoundation.org/
817.246.7740
Jeff wrote back to Steve and said, no, he had no record of any deals with the guy.
I forwarded Jeff's reply to Arnaud along with a message from me on 01/05/08-
You told me that you had wired money to Jeff at JMG before and it took over a month for him to get it, but he says he has never heard of you. Tell us what is going on. I have a sick, sick feeling about this so please write me back asap.
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Steve and Kelli Hammack
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:58 AM
Subject: RE: Concerned
Hi Steve,
I do not recognize his name and I looked through our papers for shipments to the Hamm show and other over seas orders this past year and came up with nothing. I don't think we have ever sold any geckos to him before. Hopefully the wire transfer is just taking long like he said and you get the remaining balance. Maybe some people know him on foreign reptile forums? Good luck with the situation though, hope it turns out okay.
take care,
Jeff Galewood
I also asked Alberto from A & M Gecko if he had ever done business with Arnaud and he told me that he had and that Arnaud owed him a lot of money as well.
There is more to this story, but I will tell it in a second post in this thread.
You lost me with this.