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Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Mites haven't been shown to be present in all collections where IBD was present, therefore mites aren't the ONLY mode of transmission.
 
It is not 100% on any finding on how IBD is transfered. The one thing we can all agree on is that if you find IBD syptoms or have what you believe to be a case of IBD in your collection you should lock your snake your down until you can prove to be clear. Don't assume it is all right and keep buying and selling snakes. That is reckless and indangers a lot of of collections that are just trying find another good snake for their collection. I agree is sucks we have to be worried about such a horrible disease but the fact remains it is present and we need to do everything we can to stop the spread of it as well as offer any and all research to figure out how to control or eliminate this horrible disease.
 
oh yeah i know. my point was, i distinguishing my points of transmission vs. contagious methods of acquisition.

i do know that mites cannot and are not ruled out as a potential method of transmission. mainly for the fact that, we do not know if the snakes that have been infected have never been exposed to mites prior to showing signs. meaning, if we have a collection and a new snake is brought in, that is 6 months later shown to have ibd (via convincing lab results), even though the snake was mite free from the time brought into collection, to the time it died, what we dont know is, had that snake ever been treated before for mites at anytime in the past. unfortunately, most sellers (especially flippers) get snakes in, treat them for mites quickly and get them sold as soon as possible to make room for the next one.
thats my point, there are too many variables and unknowns (as of right now) to say anything for certain.

whats the incubation period ? to my knowledge, we dont know that either. i know there are at least a couple studies that have been done in controlled environments where a snake that has ibd symptoms and was tested consistent with ibd through liver biopsy, that was put into a collection of burmese and ball pythons and other boas, over a 1 year period (i belive) and not every snake of each species contracted it. the boa that tested positive was mite free at the time.

so, is all incubation period, is it contagious by contact, is it contagious by breeding then passed on to offspring, is contracted by "third party" host (ie, snake mite)?

these are all things that are known yet fully.
 
and to add, i do believe that if a lab report from submitted tissue comes back, sample analysis is consistent with ibd, i believe that that animal has it and all proper actions should be taken with the rest of that collection (should there be one).
 
reticguy76 said:
and to add, i do believe that if a lab report from submitted tissue comes back, sample analysis is consistent with ibd, i believe that that animal has it and all proper actions should be taken with the rest of that collection (should there be one).
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Agreed wholeheartedly. :iagree:
 
Your words Ryan...

"im still not fully sold that it is "truely contagious" "


My words...Contagious.
By contagious, I mean something that spreads rapidly. I believe that's how it's used medically as well, although with bigger words involved. Be it the flu, laughter, or IBD, they are contagious, they can spread, and they can spread fast.

Why else would we agree so much on the precautions and measures you must take if you suspect or know it's in your collection? And for the most part, not all of it, I agree with what you have said. Just figured being in the vet field for so long, you woulda known the word.

Anyway, I've had 3 very good friends that have had to destroy their collections due to IBD, and how quickly and easily it spread to uninfected animals. Hell, BW Smith practices better quarantine then some vet clinics I've seen, and it got by him, and infected his whole collection save one animal!

I'll have to stick with definitely contagious.
 
With all due respect to the nature of the conversation, and it's relativity to the thread, I think things are straying too far from the topic of this thread. The BOI is not the place for an in depth discussion of IBD.
 
Anyway, I've had 3 very good friends that have had to destroy their collections due to IBD, and how quickly and easily it spread to uninfected animals. Hell, BW Smith practices better quarantine then some vet clinics I've seen, and it got by him, and infected his whole collection save one animal!
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I remember reading about BW's experience, and his, as well as Adrya's cases are what has driven me to start this thread. I think we all know SOMEONE who has managed to unwittingly purchase a less-than ideally healthy animal.

I'll admit I was upset when I first learned there was a report indicating IBD and all the evidence to show QT was lax, and Ashley was conducting business as usual.
I originally chalked it up to ignorance, assuming she just didn't realize the seriousness of the situation.

At this point, I feel it's relatively safe to say she's been adequately informed, and IMO it's inexcusable to continue the sales/breeding projects, and act like there's no problem on an assumption.
Maybe there isn't IBD. I really hope not..if there IS, there could be a LOT to answer for. :shootfoot

Since she seems to have no intentions of removing ads, is still proceeding with breeding, and intending to vend at shows, the only thing I suppose that can be done, is to direct people here and let them make their own decisions.
 
ummmm... I did remove ads? If I missed any somewhere then I must have forgot I posted them elsewhere... and I already said I pulled all my breedings? and obviously won't be vending since I don't have any breedings now... So yea... If I missed one, I'll have to see where it was
 
and also... IF I should be canceling all my breedings and such, as I have, and going to be testing my animals and Kyle's animals when Dr. Jacobson's student comes back in January, should Yvonne not do the same? She is still breeding her animals with the intent to sell them this year... So I feel it's only fair to make notice of that as well... I mean, if I'm in the "spot light" shouldn't she be as well since her animals were with mine and breeding with mine? I don't know if that should be a separate thread or not? But just pointing that out there
 
I would just like to clarify a couple things.

Do I think bid is contagious, deep down in my heart, yes. But it's not proven enough to show that. Reptile medicine just hasn't had the luxury and funds to do the extensive research that has been done in dog/cat and large animal medince. Hence, I'm not 100% sold that its contagious. My personal thought on this and what it actual is, are two different things. I've just seen too many potential conflicts in research up til now, at least, make me believe, without a doubt, it's purely snake to snake contagious.

Now, back to the topic at hand, I wonder how many of the potential ibd carrying snakes have been sold and if any of those buyers have seen anything or are trying to get refunds
 
SakaraGT4 said:
and also... IF I should be canceling all my breedings and such, as I have, and going to be testing my animals and Kyle's animals when Dr. Jacobson's student comes back in January, should Yvonne not do the same? She is still breeding her animals with the intent to sell them this year... So I feel it's only fair to make notice of that as well... I mean, if I'm in the "spot light" shouldn't she be as well since her animals were with mine and breeding with mine? I don't know if that should be a separate thread or not? But just pointing that out there
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Addressing the statement that you "removed all the ads"'

It appears you've only removed the 2 Fauna ads, and there are several others scattered on various forums and CL.

NONE of those animals should have been offered for sale in the FIRST PLACE. As soon as that snake died, you should have taken proper precautions to secure your collection.

Yvonne (boachick17) should DEFINITELY do the same.

However, I don't KNOW Yvonne, or what forums she frequents.

Yvonne wasn't called out, because I never saw her post a necropsy indicating IBD and conducting business as usual, while pics showing lax QT were posted about.

It's not even clear whether Yvonne actually KNEW about the suspicion of IBD or not PRIOR to pairing her snake with yours, and bringing in her animals.
If there's not PROOF that she was aware of the possibility of IBD in your collection beforehand, and she winds up with issues, that could be another whole problem.

YOUR actions of selling/breeding snakes AFTER receiving a report showing IBD are costing a LOT of people a LOT of worry and inconvenience, and possibly money.
After reading all the contradictions, if I had one of your snakes, I wouldn't trust your "word" none came back with problems.
I would get my animals tested myself.

You better HOPE your assumption "they are all healthy, because the Pythons didn't die off" is correct.
IMO there was too much at risk to base on an assumption.
 
Why is Ashley tryong shine the so called Spotlight as she puts it, of on another person? I am sure she never told Yvonne that she had a case of IBD and had other snakes die. I am glad this came out as it sounds like ashley is all about money and not about the well being of her animals and others.
 
As far as I can tell, in the year following Yvonne's alleged breeding attempt with one of your snakes SHE hasn't had ANY deaths unlike YOU. Stop trying to bump the spotlight off yourself, this is a thread about you. Your mistakes, your bad judgement.

It irritates me that you keep trying to get other people in trouble to get people to leave you alone. First it was someone that was posting to try and merely help you that you jumped on, now a person you are angry at because she owes you money?
 
If there are others possibly involved, then I for one would love to know who, so I can avoid them.

This stuff can lay dormant in Boas. And if the Boa is healthy and stress free, it can continue to harbor it and show no clinical signs. 2 yrs ain't the gospel for signs to appear.
 
Unfortunately every person she's sold an animal to is at risk and is an involved party...

Ashley, you now need to inform each and every person that has obtained an animal from you that they need to have their animals tested. That their collection is at risk for IBD, and then you need to inform them that because of your selfishness, they have to cease breeding plans until they can be sure that their collection is clear. These people that you selfishly sold animals too are going to suffer for your mistake, because like crotalus said, I'd like to know who not to buy from.

I wouldn't be surprised if you got sued.
 
I completely agree with you, AddictedToBoas.

(BTW, nice to see someone else from the Morgantown area!)
 
I fully agree with all of you. I have read some of her past post about where she got the BCL that she said died from IBD. In the she claims to say that if her snakes where fine if her pythons made it a few months after the death of the BCL. Again this contridicts things she has said in the past. She does seem to be trying toi pass the blame and it makes me wonder if the BCL she had got the IBD from her collection or from the person she purchased it from. Regardless of anything else said her recklessness and uncareing nature of selling what could possibly be sick animals is how we get outbreaks of terrible diseases. I have heard that IBD can be spread from contact with an infected snake. So every show she attended with her animal actually put a lot of animals in danger. That seems very careless to me. She claims to have a love for reptiles which I don't completly deny but she looks like she is just in it for the money more than anything. Sometimes you have to thing of the risk before the reward. I hope this all helps to keep this situation isolated to her collection as her carlessness and need to get big too fast has somewhat brought this on to her.
 
I did notify Yvonne (boachick17) of Ashley's accusation regarding her snakes, and made the recommendation she discontinue sales, and breeding and get some tests run.

As far as notifying everyone Ashley has sold snakes to, that's going to be very difficult. She's had snakes at shows, traded snakes through shows, sold on CL, had friends' snakes in her collection, sold on various internet forums....
There was even mentions of a couple of arrangements to do breeding loans.
I have no idea if any breeding loans have actually taken place, or how many snakes have sold.

I can pretty much itemize when snakes have come in and out since she popped up online in 2008 and started accumulating snakes on average of about 2-3month. They came from various sources from reputable breeders to CL "specials", shows, "snake sitting" friend's snakes.. There's no way to tell WHERE any illness, parasites or mites would have come in, or gone out.
 
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