Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

[amercnwmn]

www.casperconstrictors.com/available

Casper Constrictors.com Current Breeding Projects

 

[AddictedToBoas]

I did notify Yvonne (boachick17) of Ashley's accusation regarding her snakes, and made the recommendation she discontinue sales, and breeding and get some tests run.

As far as notifying everyone Ashley has sold snakes to, that's going to be very difficult. She's had snakes at shows, traded snakes through shows, sold on CL, had friends' snakes in her collection, sold on various internet forums....
There was even mentions of a couple of arrangements to do breeding loans.
I have no idea if any breeding loans have actually taken place, or how many snakes have sold.

I can pretty much itemize when snakes have come in and out since she popped up online in 2008 and started accumulating snakes on average of about 2-3month. They came from various sources from reputable breeders to CL "specials", shows, "snake sitting" friend's snakes.. There's no way to tell WHERE any illness, parasites or mites would have come in, or gone out.

If she can't notify them personally she needs to post something on her website about it at the absolute least. She should post warnings on each of the sites she frequents and sells on as well and get ahold of those personally that she still has the e-mail addresses of. It'll be relatively easy for her to contact people whose snakes she cared for and who she loaned snakes to if she has. It'll be a lot of work for sure but it is the responsible thing to do, it is the RIGHT thing to do.

She needs to do everything she can to make up for her selfish actions and hopefully keep this from blowing up in her face in the worst possible way if it turns out IBD is in her collection. If these snakes that she sold are infected the people that own them need to get them away from the rest of their collection and hope that it isn't too late.

 

[AddictedToBoas]

www.casperconstrictors.com/available

Casper Constrictors.com Current Breeding Projects

I can't believe that... After all this?

 

[amercnwmn]

AGREED

 

[hboyles66]

!!! She really needs to at least update her web page and post something about her possible infection. That is what a good breeder or collector would do if they where responsible.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Ashley Caspillo IBD

Hi, I feel it's time I enter this thread. My name is Elizabeth lea Vos, and Ashley sold me two '10 Bolivian boas just before this whole issue came to light. About a week after they were shipped to my house, I saw information in regards to IBD in Ashley's collection. Before that I was not aware of the incident, AT ALL, and if I had been I would not have bought her snakes.

I trusted Ashley completely at the time this first came to light, so much so that I was completely on her side, in PM's and in public. However as a few days passed and I read fauna threads and got more factual information, I realized I was in deep water with my snakes, and there was no getting out. I cannot know if my snakes have IBD, I will have the ones she sent me tested (blood tests) in January, and if they come back clear they will have liver biopsies. I also closed my collection as soon as I heard the word IBD, no matter what I felt about Ashley - I have abandoned plans I had to buy a pair of hog islands next year, and all future breeding plans. I have young boas, so it's not like I had imminent projects, but it is still wrecking my every day functioning as I have no idea if they are going to need to be put down or not, and that breaks my heart. I try not to get mad at Ashley acting like it is business as usual on RTB.net while I have no idea what the future is for my boas, but there is nothing I can do.

Here is a pm from me to Ashley sent once I realized things were really not right, and her response...

There was this was said by Ashley the other day on RTB.net, showing that she is not really taking things seriously IMO, and still planning on collecting?? My plans are to hope my snakes don't die in the next two years, not plan what I can buy.

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/gi...tics-oh-my/67183-few-rays-sun.html#post867085

"that is the NICEST jungle tic I have ever seen. WOW! gimme like 6 years and I should have some "

This is my first post on fauna and the BOI, I hope I've done everything up to standard, and if I have not please let me know how to fix it.

I want you to know I realize I am wrecking any future reputation I could have tried to protect by hiding away, taking my losses, letting the fiasco fade, and not posting. But this whole situation deserves serious attention IMO, and if I can never breed because of IBD, then that has already been determined..

Thanks for listening.

 

[hboyles66]

I am sorry to hear about this. I sincerly hope your collection is ok. Also I did read where Ashly said the BCA boas where is a diifferent room. She has said this before and was found to be false. It was pointed out that she had quarantine the BCL boa while she had pics proving otherwise. She should have told you about the IBD case straight up front and then explained herself. She is still unwilling to take any resposibilty for possibly spreading IBD to others and IMO that is just not good buisness. More contradictions on Ashley's part which is not helping her case at all. She looks very bad after what she has said to you. I hope all stay away from her for awhile.

 

[Elizabethlea27]

Thank you very much. In her snake room video, the baby bolivians are clearly shown housed in a rack near older snakes, even in the same area as the female BCL who was around when the male BCL dies of IBD. Correct me if I'm wrong..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EKSMDPOU3w

Also it shocks me that "200ish" snakes have had contact with hers since the IBD incident? (from the PM she sent me I just posted)

 

[Elizabethlea27]

I wish I could edit posts - just wanted to add that the het albinos that were also in her possession when the BCL died are in the rack next to the baby Bolivians in that video. So.. needless to say I am in no great mood these days.

 

[sally-dog]

I'm the "RayRay" mentioned in that PM and I guess I'm one of those "mean" people. If we are all "mean" for speaking out against someone who is selling animals that may or may not be carrying a serious virus, especially one that is suspected to lie dormant in animals, then I would rather be "mean"!

I sure hope all of these animals test clear! And by test clear, I mean the initial tests AND follow up testing. That could take years! If that were done in the first place, we would not have to be "mean" and would never have said anything and would have gone on our merry ways. I can't speak for Courtney (who started this thread) or Adrya, but I'm sure they would agree.

What I am truly wondering if Ashley realizes the potential danger of having an animal test positive for IBD in her collection or if she is hoping all of this will blow over and people will just forget? I guess we will all find out come January or whenever she posts proof of the test results.

This is not about that one animal testing positive, it's about the fact that Ashley is moving animals in and out of her collection after that fact. Animals have died in her collection since then but the one other necropsy posted seems not to show that animal was tested for IBD.

Could we be totally paranoid? Perhaps, but it's better to err on the side of caution to suffer the consequences later. And I believe it's better to be vocal about how someone's practices might be detrimental to animals and hurting someone's peace of mind (and pocketbook), in the case of Elizabeth. She is a perfect example of how this type of behavior can affect a persons well being. I would rather know what's going on with my animals from a qualified veterinarian rather than just take someone else's word for it.

For anyone that has frequented RTB.net in the last 2 years, and have seen Ashley's posts, this is the kind of thing you pray doesn't happen but it doesn't surprise you when it does.

 

[hboyles66]

WOW! What a piece of work Ashley has become. 200ish boas that could possibly have IBD and no care for might happen. This disgust me.

 

[sally-dog]

WOW! What a piece of work Ashley has become. 200ish boas that could possibly have IBD and no care for might happen. This disgust me.

Yes... Two HUNDRED animals in 2 years???

 

[Elizabethlea27]

I wonder how she 'knows' that none of those 200ish (that had contact with hers, not just her own snakes..) have had any IBD symptoms or died.. Does she phone people to check in? Email? I mean really!

 

[Adrya]

Yes... Two HUNDRED animals in 2 years???

That shows she's completely selfish and careless. There's NO WAY any kind of stringent quarantine goes on with that many animals moving in and out of her household.

 

[sally-dog]

I'm hoping that number isn't a typo? However, we all know she's got more than 20 snakes, so somehow that leads me to think that there isn't an extra zero accidentally tacked on there.

 

[hboyles66]

All I can say is RIDICULOUS!!!! Ashley has said she prides herself of her proper quarantine and care of snakes but with a turnover rate like that it is not possible. I hope any who wishes to deal with Ashley or Casper Constrictors will read these post and Take it asll into consideration before buying from a careless breeder. I also saw on her website that she has enetered into a partnership with another breeder who has sent their snakes to her. S+Do you think she has told them of the IBD situation? I am willing to bet she hasn't and if she did it was after she got the snakes to her house. I hope the herpers of Texas will see this thread and help to prevent her from shows until she proves she is taking care of buisness the proper way.

 

[sally-dog]

All I can say is RIDICULOUS!!!! Ashley has said she prides herself of her proper quarantine and care of snakes but with a turnover rate like that it is not possible. I hope any who wishes to deal with Ashley or Casper Constrictors will read these post and Take it asll into consideration before buying from a careless breeder. I also saw on her website that she has enetered into a partnership with another breeder who has sent their snakes to her. S+Do you think she has told them of the IBD situation? I am willing to bet she hasn't and if she did it was after she got the snakes to her house. I hope the herpers of Texas will see this thread and help to prevent her from shows until she proves she is taking care of buisness the proper way.

I don't know and that person has to come forward.

Honestly, I am merely a spectator to this whole charade. However, I just can't keep my mouth shut when she could possibly be infecting people's collections, and have seen her history with animals as posted on a certain forum over the past 2 years.

I got my first boa in '08 and have a total of 7 boas and pythons, but those took me 2 years to acquire and acclimate. I still have animals separated off.

This should be a lesson to anyone who wants to get started in this hobby/business, if anything at all comes of this. These are animals, and animals take time to raise, or at least that has been my experience. If you don't dedicate the necessary time and resources to your animals (in this case, quarantine and testing) and end up selling them when you may or may not (notice that I keep saying may NOT), you might end up in hot water like this. There are too many variables in this case alone to be able to sift through where it might have began and where it might end.

We all make mistakes, it's how you deal with them that counts.

 

[sally-dog]

"and end up selling them when you may or may not (notice that I keep saying may NOT) have a virus"

in your collection".... it should say.

 

[sally-dog]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148034&page=13

Read from post #123 on down. We're not the first people questioning this. This should have stopped LAST YEAR!

 

[amercnwmn]

THE FACTS ARE

1)A BCL died of IBD Nov 09
(at least according to her statements online, and a vet report)

2) Ashley continued to sell snakes regardless.. even DURING the time she was accusing the BCL seller of selling an "IBD infected" snake (Jan 10)

3)Felt confident enough in the vet to accuse the BCL seller publicly, demand restitution and threaten with a lawsuit (Jan 10)

4) ONLY when questioned about WHY she was selling snakes despite an IBD+ test, did she start to doubt the report & a 2nd vet (who was unrelated to the exam) allegedly discounted the IBD findings (Jan-Feb 10)

5)Photo proof exists showing lax quarantine (from 2009-present)

6)Post proof exists showing dates snakes were acquired (2008-present)

7) Post proof exists showing presence of mites (2008-2009)


I have NO vested interest in Ashley's snakes one way or the other.

I have seen several people lose large amounts of snakes to people who breed & sell, despite the fact they have PROOF of a less-than-healthy collection.
I don't think it's right, and would call out anyone else under the same circumstances.

If that snake DID die of IBD and those tests were right: it's already been established there was poor QT & mites present in the collection, which increases the chances of IBD spreading. Hence the need for the notification, and the need for people to be aware so they can procure their OWN tests.

IMO when a seller doesn't do the right, responsible thing, it's up to the "watchdogs" to point it out to protect others from their potentially devastating and reckless actions.
Guess that makes me a "mean girl"

Elizabeth, I know that took a lot for you to share your PM, thank you.

Ashley's ENTIRE PM was BS.

1) She had 3 deaths since the IBD in the past year. THAT, to me, indicates a potential problem.
Especially since it's been established that negative tests DON'T mean they don't have IBD.

2)The BCA was NOT separate as showed in the video & photos

3)

Fairly confident there's no issue

Geee that's reassuring. Especially since you've been so diligent with your "research" thus far.

4)Adrya hasn't had 6 snakes "or more" She had 4 DIE and ONE OF THOSE showed IBD. She voluntarily put the other 2 down.
According to YOU, you've had 1 snake die showing IBD and lost 3 others..

5) I haven't seen ANYTHING that POSSIBLY goes against the presence of IBD.
"Toxicology" tests is what you keep referring to..but PATHOLOGY would be the tests required, and negatives after a positive don't mean anything. The collection should have been LOCKED DOWN.

Unless we are referring to your "All my Pythons would already be dead" theory, which has been shot to heck by a DVM studying the disease.

6)Yep, even with biopsies I will BITCH and COMPLAIN, because:
a)you sold snakes WHILE accusing someone of selling you an IBD infected snake
b)you continued to sell snakes despite the report
c)you LIED about your QT & presence of mites in your collection
d) you misrepresented the health of your collection and your experience and care regarding your animal
e) Even now continue on with "business as usual"
f) lie about ads being removed, when your website and several ads are still up and running

Incidentally I LOVE this statement:

And I'm pretty damn sure after over a year, at least ONE of the 200ish animals that have been in room contact with my animals would have died

That proves my point about misrepresenting yourself.
You've claimed all the while to have STRICT quarantine.
It's proven you haven't.

I only hope, for YOUR sake, the owners of said 200 animals don't wind up with any IBD