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Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Scary stuff... Thanks for posting this thread amercnwmn. Also, thank you skiploder and Adrya for the excellent information you shared with us on IBD.
 
I just wanted ask a question if the original guy she got the supposed BCL boa with IBD has been contacted to let him know of the stuff she has been doing and that the first vet report may be inacurate. If that is the case may I ask if that makes it look like maybe the BCL never had IBD and that there was no wrong doing in that case? I see he has not posted any animals for sale in a long while. That shows he has at least taken into consideration that there was a possibly that there was something wrong and is at least doing his part to contain the possible situation. She has tons of contadicting statements as we have all read and I am glad someone put up a flag to get all herpers notified of possible problems. Thanks
 
hboyles66 said:
I just wanted ask a question if the original guy she got the supposed BCL boa with IBD has been contacted to let him know of the stuff she has been doing and that the first vet report may be inacurate.
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That was my original "red flag". If she felt the reports to be a fake, why didn't she do the reputable thing, and say so? :shrug01:

IMO, it was so she could keep selling snakes.

Several people had questioned her for having ads still up after the original
necropsy suggesting IBD, INCLUDING the man she accused of initially selling her the sick snake.

When people started questioning Ashley on WHY she was still selling snakes, her story changed indicating she had a second vet (not related to the exam of the BCL) discount the findings on the first necropsy or the other 3 tests she claims to have had done.

I haven't seen any vet reports indicating WHY he would discount the findings, and I find it hard to believe a Dr of Veterinary medicine would question the lab results on a snake he never saw, and on an exam he didn't perform.. :shrug01:

She also lost a Burmese Python that showed no inclusion bodies, but died of sudden pneumonia. That, IMO could have POSSIBLY still been IBD related.

It's been shown in MANY statements regarding IBD, including Dr. Jacobson's report, that snakes will often test negative, but still die from IBD related causes, or be asymptomatic, but still infected. It was also pointed out that ONE case of IBD is rare.

Maybe the test was wrong, but until EXTENSIVE further tests were performed, IMO those snakes should have NEVER been sold, especially given the photographic PROOF that they were all housed/kept together despite claims of quarantine.


hboyles66 said:
If that is the case may I ask if that makes it look like maybe the BCL never had IBD and that there was no wrong doing in that case? I see he has not posted any animals for sale in a long while. That shows he has at least taken into consideration that there was a possibly that there was something wrong and is at least doing his part to contain the possible situation.
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I don't believe he has been contacted, I believe he is banned from this forum now.

hboyles66 said:
She has tons of contadicting statements as we have all read and I am glad someone put up a flag to get all herpers notified of possible problems. Thanks
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That bothers me as well.
The fact that ads are apparently still posted, and it's been "Business as usual" concerns me.

All the best.
 
I have to fully agree with you. I do believe if the guy that sold her the BCL is banned for selling something he may or may not have known had IBD, should she not be banned from what we have seen that she knowingly is selling snakes with what shes first said was a positive id of IBD of a snake in her collection? IBD is crazy and I personally have seen the affects it has and it sucks! I know if I had what I believed to be a confirmed death in my collection from IBD I would quarantine every animal I own until I am 100% sure there is no problems. Which could take a long time as it is hard to tell in snakes without them dying and test being performed by someone who knows what they are doing and that is not easy to find. Thanks. Hank Boyles. I realize I did not post my full name in my last post.
 
It's on your profile, so I think you're covered :)

The thing is, she received a report "suggesting" the presence of IBD, so it's likely it's in her collection, but not 100% certain.

The only other necropsy she's provided indicates pneumonia as cause of death, and doesn't actually show any inclusion bodies.
Dr. Jacobson's paper states clearly that negative IBD results doesn't mean there's not IBD present, contrary to what she says.

Even though she has been posting elsewhere, and hasn't addressed any of the concerns here, IMO banning her would be a little premature given the circumstances.

The info DEFINITELY needs to be out there and available for review, and IMO she should not be allowed to post ads, or vend at reptile shows until she has an "all clear" on the snakes she's selling.

Unfortunately, just because 1 or 2 tests come back clean, STILL doesn't mean it's OK.

What really is needed and SHOULD have been done as soon as the tests came back:

*LOCK DOWN: nothing in-nothing out for ONE SYMPTOM/DEATH FREE YEAR.
*Tests on ALL the snakes (blood & biopsies) necropsies & labs done on ALL deaths
*NO deaths or illnesses for a year
*Clean tests on ALL snakes over the next year
*OR 2-3 years of NO deaths, NO illnesses, no additions/sells (no tests)

After that, I would definitely assume her collection was in the clear.
 
Let's just say, if I'D have received the necropsy report Ashley did, I would NOT have snakes for sale, nor would I have brought any more in.

Regardless of whether the test "accurate" or not, Ashley does NOT have the veterinary medical background to make that diagnosis, and a vet that did NOT participate in the exam or testing does not have ALL the information available to make that a 100% determination.

If Ashley chooses to possibly risk her OWN colleciton, that's one thing, but she's choosing to possibly risk others' animals.
 
I am still wondering why she has not replied to this read with proof that she has had all these test done. IMO she should provide proof off her other snakes deaths not attributed to IBD or we all have to assume that it was IBD that killed them because she has admitted or at least said that she had a confirmed case of IBD. Maybe the first vet was wrong but why take the chance. She doesn't seem to mind down talking others about what they do while she doesn't practice what she preaches. I must say selling snakes based on the pythons die first method of ruling out IBD is just plan stupid but that is what she is basically saying.:NoNo:
 
I haven't replied because I don't have anything to say as of now... I already said I don't know where the other reports are... I'm missing a few things from my house, including my hard drive with a lot of info I needed for several things... The burm report did not state that the burm died from pneumonia... She died from liver failure...

I already said I will post blood/biopsy results when I get them... Until then, I don't really have anything to add...
 
So why are selling snakes all over the place except for fauna if you had a confirmed IBD report and have other snakes die? That just seems strange to me.
 
I think it would all die down if there was proof tests were done AND there aren't ads all over the place.

-One of the "mean ppl".
 
Hank: She also still has ads here for snakes for sale.

Not to mention I know she vended at the Austin Reptile Expo, and I'd have to look to see if she vended at San Antonio or Arlington. She intends on vending again if her statements elsewhere have any merit.

I haven't had much time to backtrack to verify facts, so please forgive me if I miss a minor detail or two. It's really hard to sort through the facts when there are so many contradicting statements made.

For example: She's claimed repeatedly she's never had any mites:

But I did find SEVERAL threads regarding mite infestations in her collection. During which time she had a NUMBER of new snakes, and snakes from other people's collections in and out.
Feb 09
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/boas/51987-im-gonna-cry.html

March 09
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/boas/52722-ugh-not-again.html

July 09
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/help-me/55562-wood-mites.html

If you do a search on Threads posted on other reptile forums under her s/n, you can see every month was a CONSTANT stream of acquiring snakes or "snake sitting". Some include pictures of cages in the background that are used for other snakes..which means: the snake was kept IN the room with the others.

There's absolutely NO basis at this point to think this collection is/was stable or properly quarantined.

Ashley, we've all told you based on Dr. Jacobson's MEDICAL RESEARCH that blood tests alone will NOT clear your snakes.

There's so many holes in your stories, I can't even keep track at this point..

I don't know what more can be said at this point, except, STOP SELLING SNAKES FOR AT LEAST A SYMPTOM/ILLNESS/DEATH- FREE YEAR.

To sell snakes under the statement that you have been properly quarantining IS A LIE. That I can say with a FACT.

As far as your collection having IBD, I CAN'T say that as a fact. However there's a test out there that indicates it DOES.

I CAN say I wouldn't buy a snake that's been anywhere near any of yours for all the money in the world right now.
 
Ashley, you've acquired a ton of snakes in roughly 2 short years, and jumped right into breeding. There is NO way you have properly quarantined the amount of snakes you've received.
A LOT of people raised eyebrows when you dove into breeding snakes within LESS than a year of starting into the hobby.

Even YOU have admitted you had a "reptile acquiring" problem, jokingly or not, it's all over the forums, in several places. http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/just-talk/53763-so-i-think-i-get.html

All of the illness/mites/and suspected IBD boil down to one thing: getting in over your head with not enough experience.

You had an IBD necropsy, and STILL sold snakes.

EVEN NOW you won't even do the RIGHT thing, and STOP selling to protect others.

You are completely unethical, IMO.
 
Just to be clear, Ashley, do you intend to pull your ads or are you still offering the Bolivians for sale?


Had to revisit this thread because I just got negative karma for it with a note saying "This thread is about YOU." I had no idea I was Ashley. Kind of odd for me to be giving myself so much grief. I guess I need more sleep.
 
I've used Northwest ZooPath probably 18-20 times for pathology testing. I choose them because Dr. Garner and his staff are the best reptile Pathologists in the country. That's why the Zoo's use them too.

However, in every case, it has specifically stated that there were no consistencies with Boid IBD. That Path report does not mention it, so that means IBD was not tested for. I had my entire collection tested in '06 after that Luis ordeal, and have submitted a neonate from each of my litters since then specifically for IBD testing. Every one of the path results specifically mentions IBD in the end comments. Here's one I have online already from my '06 litter...

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Just saying, if I went by the wording on the addendums of that path report you provided, from the same pathologists that I use, I would have to conclude they didn't test for IBD. :shrug01:
 
I would be kind of angry if they didn't because my vet specifically requested that they did.....
 
Understandable. I'd check with your vet and get on them about it myself. With the case number, you can also call ZooPath and check with them specifically.
 
If I'm reading the necropsy on the Burm correctly, the tests were performed in July of 2010.
You obviously mentioned the possibility of IBD to the vet at that time, since they noted "the snake was from a collection where IBD had been previously diagnosed".

You've contradicted yourself AGAIN by saying you "doubted" the original IBD findings on the BCL.

But yet you STILL continued to sell snakes.
 
This has been one of the most interesting displays of someone taking on too much too fast and thinking they know everythomg when in fact they have only a slight clue. I hate to be blunt but this is very messed up that she has been selling animals under the assumption that pythons go faster than boids therory. What a crock! I have read her bad guy post of the BCL and she claims that she only buys from well known breeders and quarantines all her animals for many months which has been completly dissproved now. It makes me wonder if the BCL was infact a BCL she got from a non well known breeder and was just mad because it died and she feels she is way too smart to have an animal die. She also has not taken down the post on other sights about selling snakes as I believe she feels that she has done nothing wrong. And if she was so smart why was she on redtail forums trying to figure out how to get rid of mites? Anyone in the buisness that is as smart as she claims would know how to deal with mites with no questions ask. She has taken on too much too fast as others have said and now it is bitting her in the rear. I hope that she gets the picture and slows down and fixes her problems. I also hope that she replie to the breeder she got the original BCL from to let him know that she feels that those results could have possibly been wrong in her opinion. She slandered him a lot just to backtrack when confronted about selling animals that could possibly have IBD. What a tool. Thanks for all the info from everyone who has posted here. This helps the reptile community a lot to know what is out there to help control the spread the best we can of this horrible disease.
 
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