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Bad Guy Bad Experience with Carson Phelps of Herps Etc

Parysa,

You've been a member of this site for less than a year. I think it is safe to assume that since you are so strongly defending Carson's actions (over his "one bad deal"), that you are not aware of his previous shenanigans over the past 11 years that have tarnished his so called sterling reputation. People have a right to be skeptical because in the past he often chooses to ignore requests for explanation or make things right.

A few threads you might want to read.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4290

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57580

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75616

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79241

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84119

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89775

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92677

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96152

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97834

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106316

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111353

Let's see...four of those are good guy threads where people come in and bring up past posts. One is a straight up good guy. Two are issues where he couldn't be reached before any transaction was set up. Three are inquiries from years ago when he was apparently in a partnership with someone else that has a lot of negative feedback from that time. One was about his partner from that time, not him specifically. So aside from this thread, which seems to be full of he said/she said and has been resolved I'm not seeing anything that deals with him specifically in a negative light that's not six years old or more. But I did notice that you didn't just post the bad threads. :)

Carson. In light of Paige's post quoting several of my abrasive comments, I publicly apologize for the derogatory comments such as "braincell" etc. That being said, I do have one question for you that simply requires a yes or no answer. Is it your contention that Guy only wanted snakes and NEVER asked for a refund before starting this thread?

There you go, Chris. That's all I'm saying. You don't have to agree with someone, but if you can't make your arguments in a way that's not insulting, then I at least am going to have a hard time taking you seriously.

For the record, I'm waiting on two snakes from him that will be shipped out later this week after the weather warms up a bit. I don't care how well they're packaged. Heat packs fail. My fiancée brought me one off of his ambulance (for me, not a snake) that failed after 5 minutes, so if packs designed for emergency medical use can fail, I'm not putting all my faith in packs designed for pets. **** happens and I don't want animals going out in single digit temps. And I will be posting when they get here. No, that's not an invitation to clutter my post with crap from years ago and stuff that's already resolved.

Personally, I think Guy is using Chris and others to hose Carson. 0.2 YB, 0.2 Mojaves, and a pewter vanilla? That's $1200 worth of snakes easy. The only places I've seen 40% interest rates are title loan and "buy here pay here" places and I deal with all sorts of loans all day long at my job. 5.25% is the federal going rate. I think anything more than a female YB or two is too much, especially considering that Guy agreed to all these other deals and didn't have a single complaint till he couldn't get ahold of Carson for two days over the holidays and has continued to try to get more and more out of him the longer this thread goes on.
 
Feel free to correct my math if I have it wrong. I am *not* smarter than a 5th grader when it comes to math. :p
 
Let's see...four of those are good guy threads where people come in and bring up past posts. One is a straight up good guy. Two are issues where he couldn't be reached before any transaction was set up. Three are inquiries from years ago when he was apparently in a partnership with someone else that has a lot of negative feedback from that time. One was about his partner from that time, not him specifically. So aside from this thread, which seems to be full of he said/she said and has been resolved I'm not seeing anything that deals with him specifically in a negative light that's not six years old or more. But I did notice that you didn't just post the bad threads. :)



There you go, Chris. That's also I'm saying. You don't have to agree with someone, but if you can't make your arguments in a way that's not insulting, then I at least am going to have a hard time taking you seriously.

For the record, I'm waiting on two snakes from him that will be shipped out later this week after the weather warms up a bit. I don't care how well they're packaged. Heat packs fail. My fiancée brought me one off of his ambulance (for me, not a snake) that failed after 5 minutes, so if packs designed for emergency medical use can fail, I'm not putting all my faith in packs designed for pets. **** happens and I don't want animals going out in single digit temps. And I will be posting when they get here. No, that's not an invitation to clutter my post with crap from years ago and stuff that's already resolved.

Personally, I think Guy is using Chris and others to hose Carson. 0.2 YB, 0.2 Mojaves, and a pewter vanilla? That's $1200 worth of snakes easy. The only places I've seen 40% interest rates are title loan and "buy here pay here" places and I deal with all sorts of loans all day long at my job. 5.25% is the federal going rate. I think anything more than a female YB or two is too much, especially considering that Guy agreed to all these other deals and didn't have a single complaint till he couldn't get ahold of Carson for two days over the holidays and has continued to try to get more and more out of him the longer this thread goes on.

First of all, the one who got "hosed' is Guy. Get it? Who, by the way, did not "try to get more and more out of him". If I am wrong then by all means prove it. Second, nobody is using me for anything. I don't allow myself to be used. Lucky for team Carson. Didn't even know Guy existed til this thread. And third, please don't ever mistake me for someone who cares whether or not you take me seriously. Where could you have possibly gotten that impression?
 
First of all, the one who got "hosed' is Guy. Get it? Who, by the way, did not "try to get more and more out of him". If I am wrong then by all means prove it. Second, nobody is using me for anything. I don't allow myself to be used. Lucky for team Carson. Didn't even know Guy existed til this thread. And third, please don't ever mistake me for someone who cares whether or not you take me seriously. Where could you have possibly gotten that impression?

Can you also please prove that Guy 'didn't have a single complaint'? Seems like your buddy's ways are rubbing off on you.
 
First of all, the one who got "hosed' is Guy. Get it? Who, by the way, did not "try to get more and more out of him". If I am wrong then by all means prove it. Second, nobody is using me for anything. I don't allow myself to be used. Lucky for team Carson. Didn't even know Guy existed til this thread. And third, please don't ever mistake me for someone who cares whether or not you take me seriously. Where could you have possibly gotten that impression?

Can you also please prove that Guy 'didn't have a single complaint'? Seems like your buddy's ways are rubbing off on you.


The burden of proof isn't on me. The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. How about you prove that Carson hosed Guy? As far as not having a complaint about it, the first thing he said about any of this was when he couldn't get in touch with Carson for two days.
Regarding you caring about being taken seriously, you certainly run your mouth in such a way that suggests you care very much about what people think of you and feel that your opinions are the end-all be-all of the herp world.
 
The burden of proof isn't on me. The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. How about you prove that Carson hosed Guy? As far as not having a complaint about it, the first thing he said about any of this was when he couldn't get in touch with Carson for two days.
Regarding you caring about being taken seriously, you certainly run your mouth in such a way that suggests you care very much about what people think of you and feel that your opinions are the end-all be-all of the herp world.

Exactly. The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. You are making accusations that are untrue. If you could prove them to be true, you would have done so in this response just to make me eat crow instead of wasting your post speculating incorrectly about what my mouth running "suggests", but you can't prove your false accusations. The difference between your accusations and mine are that your accusations can be proven wrong. And will be. You have to be kidding right? Carson took 3000 bucks from Guy and gave him the runaround for THREE YEARS! His excuses were bs. It took coming to the boi for Guy to recover anything. I'd call that being hosed.
 
Another thing Paige, if you were in Guy's shoes for the last three years you'd be singing a different tune and you know it. You wouldn't be calling my posts "running at the mouth" if the shoe was on the other foot.
 
Before the refund was sent:

I just spoke to Carson on the phone an our new deal is:
1.0 Banana Ball Python
1.0 Puma Ball Python
3 Adult Normal Females or 3 2013 Yellow Belly Females

The Banana will ship when weather allows and I will receive the normal or yellowbellies by March 2014. The male Puma will be sent by July 2014.
I can not wait for this transaction to be complete. I will let everyone know once it is final.

So, averaging from multiple ads currently on kingsnake:
Banana male--$1200
Puma male-- $2300
(Already at $3500)
Adult normal females--3 @ $150 = $450
or
Female yellowbellies--3 @ $195 = $585
Total: $3950 (if normals) or $4085 (if yellowbellies)

So he's already being promised around $1000 worth of snakes extra, which is around 33% "interest". Then everyone gets on and there are a ton of posts and he comes back with:

...I posted and have had several conversations with Carson and we have come to terms with the newest deal being: male banana, two female mojaves, a female yellowbelly being shipped when it warms up a little, and then by July a puma male and female spark. Once I receive the complete package I will let everyone know how it turns out.

Again, averaging prices off of current kingsnake ads:
Banana male--$1200
Female mojaves--2 @ $200 = $400 (I actually paid more than $200 for mine a couple months ago)
Female yellowbelly--$195
Puma male--$2300
Spark Female--$900
Total: $4995

So now we're up to $2000 extra, which is 66% "interest". I'll loan just about anybody $3000 for a few years if it nets me a two-thirds return. :rolleyes:

So then he gets his $3000 back, but it's not enough. He still wants interest. Ok, so Carson offers scaleless rats, which Guy valued at $250 (8% interest...more than the 5.25% federal rate or my car loan, so still not bad) but Guy complains about that and so Carson offers this:

But let's see when I receive the 213's - 0.2 Yellowbellies, 0.2 Mojave and 1.0 Pewter Vanilla that he said he would ship instead of the scaleless ratsnakes. Which I will definitely post and attach pictures. Which I feel is a decent "interest rate."

Female yellowbellies--2 @ $195 = $390
Female mojaves--2 @ $200 = $400
1.0 Pewter Vanilla--$800 (used facebook classifieds because I couldn't find any on kingsnake)
Total: $1590 which is 53% interest. As I said before, the only "lender" who's going to charge 53% interest on a loan is a title loan place or a buy-here-pay-here place. So yeah, I think an "interest rate" that's ten times the federal rate is pretty ridiculous, especially considering that Guy was aware that this was going to be a long-term deal and, at least according to Carson and to Guy's *first* statements, he didn't ask for a refund. He continued to ask for snakes that weren't even produced yet.

He's hosing you, Carson. Throw him the pewter vanilla and be done. If you want to give away snakes, you're more than welcome to toss those female yellowbellies in with my guys. :D
 
Exactly. The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. You are making accusations that are untrue. If you could prove them to be true, you would have done so in this response just to make me eat crow instead of wasting your post speculating incorrectly about what my mouth running "suggests", but you can't prove your false accusations. The difference between your accusations and mine are that your accusations can be proven wrong. And will be. You have to be kidding right? Carson took 3000 bucks from Guy and gave him the runaround for THREE YEARS! His excuses were bs. It took coming to the boi for Guy to recover anything. I'd call that being hosed.

What untrue accusations am I making? And how many accusations have you made regarding Carson?

Another thing Paige, if you were in Guy's shoes for the last three years you'd be singing a different tune and you know it. You wouldn't be calling my posts "running at the mouth" if the shoe was on the other foot.

If I were in Guy's shoes...hmmm. Let me think about that one for a minute. Well, first of all, I'd get everything in writing so there was no he-said she-said bs. I get *everything* in writing when it comes to money, regardless of how much I trust the other person or how close we are. Second, I'd request to deal with the person who owned the original snakes directly rather than have it brokered, or at least get every bit of info on who was actually going to have my money. Third, when agreeing to snakes that haven't been produced, I'd accept up front that it was potentially going to be a multi-year venture and wouldn't panic and attempt to slaughter someone's reputation when they didn't answer their phone for two days at Thanksgiving.
 
Paige, I am terrible at math, so Im not going to attempt to correct your numbers. I only want to add something you might not have taken into account. The 5.25% you mention as the federal rate is per annum, so in fact if we look at 3 years, the interest should be closer to 18%. Add in penalties for non payment for the past 3 years and I think you will find Guys compensation isnt too far off base from what any loan company would be trying to collect.
 
Stephenie, I work in bankruptcy law, so I'm going by the federal plan rate which is not per annum. It's 5.25% over 60 months. Also, the vast majority of liens that I deal with have interest rates that are also over the term of the lien. The place where you get into per annum rates is generally with things like credit cards.
 
In addition, you have to take into account that Guy accepted that this was going to be a long-term deal, at which point the amount of time taken is irrelevant. If he had an issue with the deal prior to agreeing to a long-term solution, he should have taken steps to handle it. He didn't, which at the very least is implied consent.
 
Before the refund was sent:



So, averaging from multiple ads currently on kingsnake:
Banana male--$1200
Puma male-- $2300
(Already at $3500)
Adult normal females--3 @ $150 = $450
or
Female yellowbellies--3 @ $195 = $585
Total: $3950 (if normals) or $4085 (if yellowbellies)

So he's already being promised around $1000 worth of snakes extra, which is around 33% "interest". Then everyone gets on and there are a ton of posts and he comes back with:



Again, averaging prices off of current kingsnake ads:
Banana male--$1200
Female mojaves--2 @ $200 = $400 (I actually paid more than $200 for mine a couple months ago)
Female yellowbelly--$195
Puma male--$2300
Spark Female--$900
Total: $4995

So now we're up to $2000 extra, which is 66% "interest". I'll loan just about anybody $3000 for a few years if it nets me a two-thirds return. :rolleyes:

So then he gets his $3000 back, but it's not enough. He still wants interest. Ok, so Carson offers scaleless rats, which Guy valued at $250 (8% interest...more than the 5.25% federal rate or my car loan, so still not bad) but Guy complains about that and so Carson offers this:



Female yellowbellies--2 @ $195 = $390
Female mojaves--2 @ $200 = $400
1.0 Pewter Vanilla--$800 (used facebook classifieds because I couldn't find any on kingsnake)
Total: $1590 which is 53% interest. As I said before, the only "lender" who's going to charge 53% interest on a loan is a title loan place or a buy-here-pay-here place. So yeah, I think an "interest rate" that's ten times the federal rate is pretty ridiculous, especially considering that Guy was aware that this was going to be a long-term deal and, at least according to Carson and to Guy's *first* statements, he didn't ask for a refund. He continued to ask for snakes that weren't even produced yet.

He's hosing you, Carson. Throw him the pewter vanilla and be done. If you want to give away snakes, you're more than welcome to toss those female yellowbellies in with my guys. :D

There you go again. If I'm not mistaken, he did not recieve the full 3000. Twist this anyway you want but Guy isn't the one who kept changing the deal. I see you also left out the post where Guy said he would squash the snake deal if Carson would simply air their differences here. Doesn't sound like someone who is pushing to collect any interest he DESERVES.
 
In addition, you have to take into account that Guy accepted that this was going to be a long-term deal, at which point the amount of time taken is irrelevant. If he had an issue with the deal prior to agreeing to a long-term solution, he should have taken steps to handle it. He didn't, which at the very least is implied consent.

Yet another false accusation! At what point in this thread did Guy say he "accepted that this was going to be a long term deal"??? Is it your contention that Guy EXPECTED to wait three years to get any satisfaction which, by the way, he ONLY got thanks to FAUNA!
 
I would have to say this "loan" is much closer to a credit card then it is to a bankruptcy plan. You cant use the term of the loan as an excuse for less interest either. My mortgage is a long term loan but it is still charged interest per annum.

The truth is, this isnt a loan at all. It was a payment for a product. He never received the product, and has only been issued a partial refund. I dont think it is hurting Carson to offer a bit more in the way of compensation to smooth things over after dragging things out for 3 years.
 
And here you ate again Paige, arguing for Carson while he lurks behind the fence while peaking through a knothole. Seems you two always show up at the same time. Maybe you could help him remember the name of the attorney who sent that mystery letter to that mystery guy. Surely he can, or you can post a copy here.
 
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