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csreptiles said:
lucille as far as this site goes I was already convicted before I ever even registered, Which is why I am seeking the legal action. Once it has been proven in my favor I guess we all will see who was wrong. My hole point here was that I have the right to away the time frame, So we will see what the court say about this, you all seem to think I have to send him a money order right away and I don't I following the law and still am. We will see in court. I am standing up for I sure other that have been place in my shoes and didn't have the means to take legal action! Mortgaged house, Sold car, Reptiles collection sold or not. I will prove my point at any expensive to me.


PS. I am that serious about this!


Charles: Other people having an opinion about you, even a negative opinion, is not an actionable cause at law, but knock yourself out.
 
OK let me start off by saying, I've sort of been following this from the get go.And I was not going to get involved. But anger has got the better of me :hot:(again) Mr. Shuck it seems to me, that you think you are dealing with some very UN-educated people here, that is so far from the truth. Despite the fact you out right "Robbed Aaron" and countless others... it occurred to me that you have an excuse for everything to suit yourself, but the fact remains the same..... You are only lying to yourself "NOBODY" here is going to believe a word you say, And I for one given the evidence here I would count on a you being found guilty of theft and fraud. You see Mr Shuck being down this sort of road myself I know first hand, These good people here have seen though your B.S from the first words you typed.But on another Note if you mailed out M.O's or checks on such and such days if you had a return address on them 95 % of the time, they would of been sent back by the people who's name were not who received them, So once again B.S. It is my opinion that everything you have typed is just some Fantasy of your mind, I personally think that all the people who got taken by this gentleman (term used loosely) get together and form a Case action suit against him and If Gran-ma is supporter, how happy is she going to be to lose everything for this bottom feeding low life.One other thing do you Mr Shuckster really think that anyone believes that you have more money then "GOD HIMSELF" but cant afford to give the man his measly $ 300 plus back I think its time for you to go back to the kiddie table and learn both ethics and how to construct a legable sentence Bottom line here Grow Up and stand like a man Pay the man....
 
I was going to try to help you understand where everyone else is coming from, but I decided to go work on balancing the national debt instead. Less headaches. :notallthe :bandhead0 :bandhead0 :bandhead0

Oh I can't wait to see the court findings that will provide some laughs. Truthfully I decree to anyway paying attention that these so called so to be court findings will be just as the MO you sent is. There will be none because it is all :icon_bs: and made up.
 
Court??

I have read this from the beginning and still am a little confused what you are going to court for. Are you going to court to prove you have 60 days from the time you file your claim of a lost money order until the post office deems it actually lost? If so, I believe everyone on this board will concede that point.
If you're going to go to court so that a judge can say you don't have to pay Aaron until the 60 day time limit is up, I don't believe you. From when?
Maybe the courts in Minnesota have nothing to do but I don't think so.
I believe the wronged party is supposed to make the complaint. What's you're complaint? "Nobody believes me."
In any case this thread will be long forgotten before any court I have ever heard of makes a decision.

Kevin Murphy

Hvae a ncie day.
 
csreptiles said:
norsmis

Another comment from the Peanut gallery!

I maybe in the "peanut gallery" as you put it but I am also a member of the reptile community in which you plan to do business with. I may appear and disappear from time to time because I am a proud member of the US Army, but I have been around for more than 15 years and know quite a few other herp hobbyist who I will be sure to warn of your lack of business ethics. I think I will help with that national debt now....... :hehe:
 
Clearwater_Reptiles The money order that where mixed up, Where sent to different address and where later remailed to the correct address because I had place the Names, Address and phones to the person(s) on the Money Order. My customers took it upon themselves to forward then payment to the correct people for me. And I thank them for that. I have ask a few of them not to post in this thread until everything have been clear, once this all has been done, I will proved more then enough references, For anyone that need to know anything about me. Sorry you feel as if read a few old post on the internet from arguments I have had on the net makeup me as a person that so be it. Sadly to unfortunately you run at the mouth with any advance to any of these claims other then a few old posts.


PS. I disagree with all of your means in which to prove things, This would have be simply but if I would have be ask early one to just provide the evidence in the first place I would have simply posted it and went my way, Everyone made there mind right at the post, Which again provides me with more evidence toward my case.
 
norsmis said:
I maybe in the "peanut gallery" as you put it but I am also a member of the reptile community in which you plan to do business with. I may appear and disappear from time to time because I am a proud member of the US Army, but I have been around for more than 15 years and know quite a few other herp hobbyist who I will be sure to warn of your lack of business ethics. I think I will help with that national debt now....... :hehe:


If the rest of us are the peanut gallery and Charles is.....well pocket bike racer......computer networking guru.........reptile collector/breeder extraodinairre........ or whatever Charles is, I'm proud to be part of the peanut gallery!

Norsmis - THANK YOU for your selfless service.

-Scott Ashton
 
csreptiles said:
Clearwater_Reptiles The money order that where mixed up, Where sent to different address and where later remailed to the correct address because I had place the Names, Address and phones to the person(s) on the Money Order. My customers took it upon themselves to forward then payment to the correct people for me. And I thank them for that. I have ask a few of them not to post in this thread until everything have been clear, once this all has been done, I will proved more then enough references, For anyone that need to know anything about me. Sorry you feel as if read a few old post on the internet from arguments I have had on the net makeup me as a person that so be it. Sadly to unfortunately you run at the mouth with any advance to any of these claims other then a few old posts.


PS. I disagree with all of your means in which to prove things, This would have be simply but if I would have be ask early one to just provide the evidence in the first place I would have simply posted it and went my way, Everyone made there mind right at the post, Which again provides me with more evidence toward my case.

How does anything said in this forum provide you with evidence? Maybe against you, definitely not for you. YOU have failed to provide one shred of evidence to support your claims. No money order, nothing. SO what evidence is here in this forum that backs you up? The point that no one believes you can be seen quite clearly but nothing to substantiate any "claim" you may have against Aaron. Why can you not see YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
shavemycoinpurse said:
If the rest of us are the peanut gallery and Charles is.....well pocket bike racer......computer networking guru.........reptile collector/breeder extraodinairre........ or whatever Charles is, I'm proud to be part of the peanut gallery!

Norsmis - THANK YOU for your selfless service.

-Scott Ashton

Thanks Scott but its not really selfless.... they pay me enough to keep my snakes fed! :uzi:
 
kmurphy matter, it you have read anything, that all I want to do is prove me case. Seems all the support of the legal action have not dropped out... Well guess you should not start something you one don’t have the means to finish and plan to. AS fr the reptils Community I post long ago I not in this for the money, I love breeding reptiles and If I have give them away I will... To prove my case I have also forwarded this link to all whom I am currently dealing with now, All but three have informed me that this ONE deal and or few deals out of my 12 + Years on doing business with any of my thress business. Will not effect out business.


PS. See the problem here is that your all standing as one, Which is why I am going the legal way, call BBB and check my status on any one of my business. I have been a member for several years now.
 
norsmis vbmenu_register("postmenu_340160", true); again that for a court to decide. So when the court find in my favor what then will you say? I'd like to hear it not so I don't have to remind you later...
 
csreptiles said:
kmurphy matter, it you have read anything, that all I want to do is prove me case. Seems all the support of the legal action have not dropped out... Well guess you should not start something you one don’t have the means to finish and plan to. AS fr the reptils Community I post long ago I not in this for the money, I love breeding reptiles and If I have give them away I will... To prove my case I have also forwarded this link to all whom I am currently dealing with now, All but three have informed me that this ONE deal and or few deals out of my 12 + Years on doing business with any of my thress business. Will not effect out business.


PS. See the problem here is that your all standing as one, Which is why I am going the legal way, call BBB and check my status on any one of my business. I have been a member for several years now.

I am glad you have a few die hard friends who will stick by you. Everyone needs a friend. I am not sure at this point you could give your reptiles to anyone here.
and yes, we are standing as one. That is why this forum was created to allow the reptile community to have a place to weed out the bad people in this industry and warn others of their antics. It is also a place for the good guys to shine and to let other herpers know they are safe to do business with. This is why the small time breeder is going the way of the dinosaurs. Nobody wants to do business with the small breeders anymore because they dont know who to trust and I dont blame them. It sure gives the big breeders a lot mroe business but will ultimately kill the industry. WHo wants to spend $400 on an animal when no money will be returned? Of course not everybody is in it to make money but I like to make enough to at least keep my collection fed and maintained. With more and more instances just like this one, its getting harder and harder to do.
I will shut up now and go back to my fox hole!
:cool:
 
csreptiles said:
norsmis vbmenu_register("postmenu_340160", true); again that for a court to decide. So when the court find in my favor what then will you say? I'd like to hear it not so I don't have to remind you later...

I tell you what Mr. Schuck, if the court decides in your favor, which wouldnt happen even in Russia, I will go to this and any forum you choose and make a most humble public apology. I will tell everyone how stupid I am and how much of a glowing business man you are. Heck, I will even buy an animal from you of your choosing. BUT, if you are proven wrong, which I would bet my M4 on, you will come here and apologize to every single person who posted on this string individually.
How about it?
 
Hopefully not.

This is why the small time breeder is going the way of the dinosaurs. Nobody wants to do business with the small breeders anymore because they dont know who to trust and I dont blame them.


I'd like to think the BOI is attempting to accomplish just the opposite. Giving a forum to the small time guys so others will feel comportable dealing with them.
 
kmurphy said:
This is why the small time breeder is going the way of the dinosaurs. Nobody wants to do business with the small breeders anymore because they dont know who to trust and I dont blame them.


I'd like to think the BOI is attempting to accomplish just the opposite. Giving a forum to the small time guys so others will feel comportable dealing with them.

YES! I wasnt bashing the BOI, I was bashing this incident! I love the BOI and dont know how I ever trusted anyone before. I know I have made a few deals based off this forum with people I would not normally trust and I have some beautiful animals to show for it!
 
csreptiles said:
Suncoast Herpetological

I'm sure that the court findings will allow be to prove my case, Aaron has to wait the allowed time frame. If the reptile community does not understand that I sure that once the court has inform him of this I will forward it for your all to read through.


Charles

Even if a court agreed that you had the right to make Aaron wait for payment due to the fact that you mis-sent the money orders, what defense are you planning to put forward as to why you did not cancel the M.O. immediately upon receiving notification that it had not arrived? The supposed 60 Day period should have begun Oh, Let's See, 2 + months ago when all of this crap took place. That might be rather hard to defend.

Incidentally, you might want to talk to an attorney. There is no possible way for you to initiate legal action on this situation. You have no claim or damages. Aaron will have to be the one to initiate.

No matter how you handle this one Chuck you are going to come off looking like a total :censored: . As I said earlier, pay the man and salvage some shred of credibility.
 
As been said many times before, it is obvious that he is a thief and has no intention of making good on the debt. I can only make my suggestion based upon what I would do if I were in your shoes Aaron. Here goes:

1) I would copy, in a very neat format, all of your data as well as all of the data provided to you via this forum. Make it simple and easy to follow. Label each individual section so that the officer can quickly find their way around.

2) Get off the pot and call his local PD as well as your PD and file a report. Stay on top of this and do not back down.

3) I would then start calling people in which he has done or is doing business with. I would direct them to this forum and also provide them copies of all of your documentation. Be very careful in your wording. Keep it professional and make sure all heresay is left out. You do not want a libel/slander issue slapping you in the face. Allow the person you are dealing with to draw their own conclusions. I know, that as an individual, that I am very glad you brought this to my attention so that I can steer clear of this guy. I am sure all others are just as appreciative.

Here is a list of people in which I have found that have a link to Chuck:

1) Thunder Alley CEO Renee Stoddard. It is through Thunder Alley's relationship with the Minnesota Thunder, that Chuck deals with Target as they are a corporate sponsor of the Thunder. Chuck deals directly with Renee and she needs to be made aware of his activities, especially if she is in the midst of business transactions with him.

2) I would contact the owner of the company Vbcore. Their website is http://www.vbcore.com/forum/index.php Let them know what it is you are doing and I am sure they will be more than happy to assist as Charles stiffed them for almost $6000.

3) I would contact at The Shoe, 14622 Ferret Street North West
Ramsey, Minnesota 55304. Chuck races there and again, depending upon the nature of his relationship, I would assume they would want to know about his dealings.

4) Chris, aka Potpie, can be reached at (612) 919-3485. He can provide a wealth of knowledge regarding Chucks character. He can also provide you with contact information regarding a list of people who Chuck has screwed over money wise. Despite what he says, he has never made good to the oil and welder guys. Matter of fact, he still owes Chris money.

5) Also, a person by the name of Jeremy (I did not get his last name) has more information pertaining to Chuck. His number is 816-204-6612. I did not speak to Jeremy directly but was given his name/number as an individual of interest.

6) Also, not sure if this helps or not, but another phone number for Chuck, under the old business name of aisinc.com is 1.651.917.7500

7) I would also contact SABA, the Selby Area Business Association and let them know of his activities. He is a member there.

8) I would contact Pine Run at www.pinerunracing.com Chuck races there and again, depending upon the nature of his relationship, I would assume they would want to know about his dealings.

9) I would contact Tim Bernloehr at ProKart Indoors at www.prokartindoor.com Chuck races there and again, depending upon the nature of his relationship, I would assume they would want to know about his dealings.

10) I would probably also email each of the league participants letting them know of his activities. A lot of these participants are still kids and they do not need to get involved with this guy. I have printed off each persons name just in case Chuck decides to take that portion down as he has other links. If they disappear, just PM me and I will email you copies.

11) Here is a link to his BBB report in Minnesota. It lists additional phone numbers for him. You can file a complaint there.

12) Here is a list of Target stores close to his house. I would spend the time calling each one to see if they recognize his name. If so, I would make sure they have the details surrounding this issue and then let them decide. Again, be very unbiased and do not slander/libel Chuck, depending upon how the information is disseminated.

13) Not sure on this idea so I will leave it up to you. I know Kevin and Kelli Bryant would not look lightly upon his activities. These are the owners of Rodentpro. Whether or not they would choose to not do business with this guy is anyone's guess but again, I would want to know.

14) BugCo's logo is being used on Csreptiles website. I would check with them to make sure he has permission and to also inform them of his activities given they are in the same state. Here is their contact information ----> BugCo

15) In addition, I would go to each reptile forum and direct them to this link. Be careful here, as a few of the forums do not allow links to other sites. Make sure you following forum protocol and do not violate any rules.

Regardless, I wish you luck.

Griz
 
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