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Ball idiots......(sorry, another ball rant)

Getting back to something David said which I agree with though...

Snakes do not eat only when they are hungry or when they *should* ingest prey to maintain a healthy calorie intake, they frequently eat simply because food has become avaliable.

It is possible to powerfeed an animal to an unhealthy level. Offering food too frequently and allowing the animal's instincts to dictate their intake is not going to be healthy long term. Much better to use a healthy schedule and modify the feeding regime based on the age, weight, breeding condition, gender and general health of the animal than to say "Offer it food constantly, when it eats, it needed it." that's just as bad as advice suggesting NOT to feed until an animal deficates.
 
You must not keep/breed to many bp's. If bp's ate because food was available I would have females at breeding weights in 18 months. I do have and stick to a schedule. Babies/juv. every 3 days. Sub-adults every 5 days. Adults every 7 days. I don't feed huge meals - takes longer to digest. Powerfeeding balls is BS. What about during the breeding season when your males don't eat for up to 4 months - same for females - who lose about 1/3 of their body weight producing eggs. Like I said - you must not deal with to many bp's. If I took the advise given by A LOT of people it would take 3 years for my females to put back on their weight after laying eggs. LOL.
BT
 
I see this over and over again...

I tell you what, post pics of an obese Regius,and if you can't, then don't offer imput on the subject........
 
They can't - but always want to talk <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>. Gets old thats why I don't post very much. Let him answer my questions about the breeding season and females losing 1/3 of their body weight.
BT
 
If I took the advise given by A LOT of people it would take 3 years for my females to put back on their weight after laying eggs.
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Funny you mention that, my biggest clutch I have ever been blessed with was laid on 3/22 of this year. The female was 3350 grams before dropping, 2170 after. On 5/25 AFTER taking a huge dump, she tipped the scales at 3462 grams.

She must be fower fed..........

If my animals want to eat, they get fed.
 
Cool deal! You going to Daytona, AL?
When I fed - if they want to eat then they eat - then I offer a second item!
BT
 
Let him answer my questions about the breeding season and females losing 1/3 of their body weight.
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No kidding, with some folks thoughts, we should be feeding our breeding girls 1 meal every 10-14 days. The meal should be as wide as the consumer, and be p/k..

I would LOVE to see these girls regaining thier weight back within 2-3 years on this schedule.
 
I saw a post on KS about a jackass feeding their adult female 2 "large" mice every 10 days. Poor snake. Thats like a grown man eating a twinkie a day for all his meals.
BT
 
Cool - More people "newbies" should go and learn from the big boys. Al, you buying anything special?
BT
 
Not sure yet. I am going to be driving just incase I see something I would like to work with. The buying will have to be put on the back burner until a few more clutches hatch.
 
More people "newbies" should go and learn from the big boys.
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This is so true, I'm one who learned from bugging the "big breeders" with question after question. But I will admit, a great deal of what is in my head came from trial and error over the last few years.
 
I've learned more from trial and error also - but Ralph Davis is the KING. Always there to answer questions even if you have never bought a animal from him. Nigel and Gail are awesome as well!
BT
 
What do you have cooking? Any female pied hets?
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I wish, so far just a few pastels, 1 clutch from het x het ghost, and a couple from het x poss het albino. The possible het albinos were also bred by my albino male, so I will sit with my fingers crossed for another couple months.
 
Reading comprehension not a real strong point for you two tonight or what?

Snakes do not eat only when they are hungry or when they *should* ingest prey to maintain a healthy calorie intake, they frequently eat simply because food has become avaliable.
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Are you going to argue that snakes will NOT take items which are instinctively reccognized as prey? That feeding responses and associated triggers do not exist? There are some periods of time when certain species aren't going to be inclined to feed but discounting those situations, boids are ambush predators, they grab when the grabbing is good- it is up to a keeper to regulate prey intake and ensure that they do not get too much OR too little.

It is possible to powerfeed an animal to an unhealthy level.
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Do you disagree with that statement? Are you making a contention that those five foot two year old animals some people are breeding with the pinheads and fatty liver disease and renal failure are healthy... or that the problems are NOT a result of being overfed?

Offering food too frequently and allowing the animal's instincts to dictate their intake is not going to be healthy long term. Much better to use a healthy schedule and modify the feeding regime based on the age, weight, breeding condition, gender and general health of the animal than to say "Offer it food constantly, when it eats, it needed it." that's just as bad as advice suggesting NOT to feed until an animal deficates.
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Did I specifically accuse either of you two of offering food too frequently or criticize either of your feeding schedules? While it has become evident that neither of you can understand written english I would still place you in the category of offering food as is appropriate to maintain a healthy caloric intake. Both of you claim to have enough experience with the animals to know what a healthy animal looks like and how often and how much should be fed to maintain them in that condition... Why would you choose to think those comments were direct criticisms of YOU? They were general statements about possibilities and there was no reason to assume they were directed at any given individual's husbandry.

As a simple experiment for the brain trust here (Seriously now, if we want to start throwing around credentials, you two jokers haven't got any more than any other backyard amateur)- you say your animals are fed every five days and maintain a healthy weight... Great, I'm NOT saying there is anything wrong with that because I have not seen your animals... Take one or two of those animals on a five day feeding schedule and bump it up to every three days. Or every other day. You let me know if they still take food when it's offered in an identical manner in every way except frequency. My bet is that they'd probably feed every three more often than not... Of course, you don't feed every three... Why not? Because they don't NEED it, it would be power feeding and would cause health problems... WHICH IS ALL I WAS SAYING WAS A POSSIBILITY TO BEGIN WITH.

Damn, so busy patting one another on the back that neither of you took the time to understand a bloody thing I wrote before arguing with it.
 
Seamus.......

Ball idiots......(sorry, another ball rant)
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Above you will see the topic.

Show me some pinhead balls.......



Seriously now, if we want to start throwing around credentials, you two jokers haven't got any more than any other backyard amateur
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Seamus, your a jackass, and I would have no problem matching wits with you on this species.....
 
Damn, so busy patting one another on the back that neither of you took the time to understand a bloody thing I wrote before arguing with it.
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As you pointed out, I'm a pretty slow guy, so I just skim through your well thought out posts and reply as I see fit.
 
We are not talking about certain species - we are talking about bp's. Your damn right I'll argue bp's won't feed every time food is offered. If that was the case - nobody would have problems getting wc bp's to eat. Once again - talking about bp's - powerfeeding is BS - answer my questions - off fed during breeding season - females gaining 1/3 of their body weight back. I have tried offfering sub adults every 3 days just to get that little bit of extra weight on before breeding season - doesn't work with bp's - does with burms and retics not BP's. I understood everthing you were saying and IMO your full of <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>! and don't understand bp's.
BT
 
AL-
Gotta get back to work - Chat tomorrow? I wouldn't waste your time with this jackass. Later
BT
 
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