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ball python trade. 2 of the snakes i got had rat bites!!!

I am so sorry this is happening to you, and I hope the snakes recover if you end up stuck with them due to his refusal to cooperate :(. I hope you make a BOI, because I am in the area of the seller and I definitely want to know who this is so I know not to deal with him!

Sending out sick animals is AWFUL! I definitely think you should not have to pay the shipping for the replacements. That is 100% on him as a mistake he needs to correct.
 
andrew_snake_sale said:
we asked him if he wanted us to take the snake to the vet? no answer....
we are going to have to take him to the vet as the jaw is still swollen and he will not eat (it have been 2 weeks)
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If you think the snake needs to see a vet, then take it to the vet. You certainly don't need this guy's permission.

the seller obviously doesnt quarantine any animals he gets as he has told us that it is not possible for us to get our snakes back and give him all of his back because he has already started breeding them.
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Yeah anyone who ships in snakes and has them breeding within two weeks is definitely someone I want to avoid. Please start a thread on the BOI.
 
he is just ignoring us now
we have asked him several time now to ship our 2 snakes (that we originally traded )back to us and we will send him the 5 that he gave us including the 2 rat bitten/injured ball pythons... i told him we would pay the shiping via united airlines ($189) for him to ship ours back... i am guessing that he is ignoring us because he doesnt want to send our 2 healthy ball pytons back because as he said once "that wouldnt be possible now because i have already started breeding them" ( less than 13 days after he recieved them?????)
his solution a few days earlier was that he would take pics of 2 replacenents, after a few days he sent us pix of a bell and an albino?? but says he can not ship because of the weather...... i said we wanted our 2 healthy snakes back..... (this was where he said it wouldnt be possible)
we expressed our concerns to him about his snake/s needing vet care, about him, our broken trust, that we did not want to wait any longer(this is where/whi i offered to pay for him to ship ours back via united) now we are ignored..............

he has avoided answering a few questions that we have asked him about his health guarentee?, how he feeds his snakes? about vet care?, and his quarantine practices.....

we are getting very fustrated...

we are new to trades, those 2 snakes shouldnt have been sent to us and we notified him imediately, he knew and knows we are unhappy..... is our request for him to send us our 2 snakes back and then send his 5 back a realistic request?? (when a trade goes bad because of his neglect, failure to have disclosed the snakes inguries and sending us snakes in those conditions)?????
opinions please....
 
The jaw on that bel is infected. Thats what the swelling is. Rat teeth puncher then it seals over. I don't think you will get your girls back in the same condition you traded them. He will wait till they are sick before sending them back. If he didn't quarantine and started to breed them right away I hope they throw all slugs. He's an idiot. Write off the girls, get the bel and albino to a vet and write up a BOI. What happens if he does this to someone else? if it was me I would prefer it was just me he did this to and not another person. I would have his name up all over the place as a slimeball. It really irritates me when people are such scumbags to do this.
Oh yeah to the person that tried to say that the OP was irresponsible because he had his mother and aunt sign for and unpack the BPs he was receiving. He was at school which is a responsible place for him to be. He made arrangements to make sure the BPs would be taken care of as soon as they arrived. The person he traded with was irresponsible because he didn't make arrangements. His sister just happened to be there, signed for them, and left them.
OP go do a BOI and get those babies to a vet. I'm afraid you're going to have to eat the cost of vet bills for them though. Keep all 5 of those new ones away from your collection till you are beyond absolutely sure they won't pass some nasty to yours. Good luck man and don't let 1 scumbag like this guy spoil it for other trade/sales and shipments. There are a lot of good people out there too.
 
Allanira said:
OP go do a BOI
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I agree. This thread started out as a request for some general information on what to do in a particular situation. It has gone pretty far what with quotes and all, and I think that the other party should be afforded notice and an opportunity to be heard. I do not know what he could say, but he should have the opportunity. That is fair to him as well as giving the community a better handle on whether they may want to do a trade with this person.
 
I agree - this thread has gone well beyond the scope of this particular forum.
 
thank you all......

im sorry that we have been asking so many questions, but i want to thank you for all of the advise. it has helped us as we have felt supported through by the fauna members, while the seller has very much dissapointed us, has screwed us out of our healthy girls, by giving us 2 (out of 5 ) of his snakes that had rat bites/injuries that require vet care because of his carelessness and neglectfullness twords his animals..

we will be requesting again and for the last time

that he return our snakes (at our expence, (even though it was his fault) via united airlines as it will only be a 2 1/2 hour flight and it is climate controlled, and because he said he cant ship fed ex because of the temps), and we will return his 5 snakes the same way at his expence. we will give him 1 day to respond.

if he does not agree to do this we will be taking his 2 snakes to our vet (because they really need to be seen and will mail him a copy of the vet bill...) hopefully he willl pay us back for the vet bill as they do need to be seen and because he caused the injuries.

we will be posting on the boi of he does not cooperate this time ...


thank you for all of your support
hopefully he will do the right thing but it does not look very positive as he thinks these rat bites are not a big deal and they will heal.....and he mocks us...

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Sounds to me these snakes were not feeding and he left the rats In the bins with them. His temps are probably not set right in his bins or whatever he uses. I will bet these are un healthy. Hopefully there is no respitory issues there. It's sad seeing someone get screwed by someone willing to let unhealthy snakes go to someone. Keep everyone informed of your experience with this guy. Keep him pressed to make this issue right. Sorry to hear this, really.
 
we sent him a massage............... he prob only responded because we said we want him to dend our 2 f bp's back, and we will send him his 5 back or we will be going to the boi

he did respond but we didnt get the results we wanted..
some of his responce he said we are makig him look like a bad guy, to put a live hopper overnight in the bell's cage (because the bell is not eating) and is we are still dissatisfied when the weather clears he will send us replacements, he said that "those snakes are healthy as can be" and that we "make it seam as if they are infected and dying"

i sent a reply and again demanded that he ship (airplane) our snakes back and he can have his back
now we are waiting ..........

we will be bringing the 2 snakes to the vet by friday...

uhhggg
 
The OP has been advised against making further BOI type posts in this thread. At this point - his contributions (to this thread) should be considered carefully. Stating whether they were brought to the vet is fine...but given the way the rest of this thread has gone, further details should probably be restricted to the BOI thread (if one is posted)
 
hhmoore said:
The OP has been advised against making further BOI type posts in this thread. At this point - his contributions (to this thread) should be considered carefully. Stating whether they were brought to the vet is fine...but given the way the rest of this thread has gone, further details should probably be restricted to the BOI thread (if one is posted)
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UPDATE

Both snakes went to the vet wed dec 11

BOTH snakes have infections

The bell has bite marks on his jaw and bruising on head, he has an abscess under his jaw, is under weight, and a bit lethargic.
He was put on antibiotic injections every 3 days for 30 days
And Monday he has to go back to the vet, so the vet can open up the absess and clean it out!!!!

The albino has bite marks on face and neck. He has an infection in his mouth, some mouth rot, and a respiratory Infection

I was told that I can't keep posting here so please keep an eye out on the BOI

THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT!!!
 
So you quote my statement that details should be posted in the BOI thread, and acknowledge that you were advised against continuing to post in this thread....then disregard both by posting. Do you have comprehension issues? Or did you just want to see how much you could get away with?
 
J_d.... asked if there were any updates,and asked if they had been to the vet?

HM..... you said no more boi type posts, but stating if they were brought to the vet is fine.

So yes I quoted what you wrote And gave the vet update.... I thought you said was ok to do???

But Then you ask if I have comprehension issues or did I just want to see how much I could get away with????

I can comprehend and did not try to get away with anything, I simply gave the vet update. It was an update only,,,,,

I don't know how that would be classified as a boi type post??
I haven't even mentioned any names like you have to do on the boi, so I don't know why I am being belittled.

Someone posted in this thread and said I should play the nice guy for a little and that is the ONLY reason why I haven't posted on the boi YET.

I saw some posts in the boi section where a person said that alot of people are afraid to post in the boi section, the reasons were sad.
 
You being afraid, or simply not wanting, to post on the BOI does not make it acceptable to simply pick another section. You have a PM - please don't make me address this again.
 
Andrew,
I would take what hhmoore says seriously, he knows what he is talking about and he, nor anyone here is belittling you or intends to belittle you. He is very fair and patient.

Everybody is here to support others who get into a bad deal and that is why it should be posted in the BOI, to prevent more incidents and inform others. Ultimately the choice to post in the BOI is yours but I would highly recommend it; the reptile community will be able to offer more suggestions there than here.

We are all snake lovers here and want things to turn out well for the health of the snake first and foremost. I am glad you were able to get those babies to a vet, they deserve it.
Sorry if my asking for an update on the snake's condition was interpreted otherwise, I need to articulate things better sometimes.
 
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