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Inquiry Banned from Kingsnake - what would you do?

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Oh, what to do?

I had my kingsnake account since 2006. Last week I was banned as I posted ads for animals from his house. We went in on a group of animals and when they arrived I went to pick up my animals and posted ads from his house. Now Jeff banned me saying I was this other person, let them use my account or was posting ads for them.

I have had some emailing with Jeff and it has gotten no where. I provided my company website which has photos and contact numbers, told Jeff to call me to clear this up and have really gotten no response. I admit I was on a computer owned by a banned user. BUT that is the end of it. I apparently am not getting a refund and it has been 4-5 days since my last email with no response.

Jeff stated he had proof I was not who I said I was and when asked to provide the proof he provided evidence that an ad was placed from his computer per IP address. My problem with this is how to I prove I did nothing wrong??? He states I am not who i say I am? I even emailed Jeff my driver's license to prove I am a real person. Have had a classified account more than 1 time, have no complaints or issues.

How far should I take this? How would you go about proving I am who I am? There evidence is based on a ip address. All that proves is I was on the same computer. I haven't even tried to explain what happened as I have just been trying to prove I am who I say I am. Should I have a lawyer write a letter? Forget about it? I am just irritated of being accused of being someone I'm not based purely on association!

Jacob Crawford
 
it;s rather well know now that posting from a banned users ip can get u banned from ks. gotta see it his way , for them it seems like u are selling others animals or maybe trying to bypass a ban.
 
That's great and I understand, but how do I go about proving I am not the banned user? Also, Comcast use's dynamic ip address's AND the banned user doesn't even have any service in his name. So theoretically, more than 1 user can have the same ip address?

Regardless, I just want to clear it up as I am not who they think I am. To what extend should I go to do that?

Jacob Crawford
 
i would guess keep trying to phone him, but just admitting here your in business with a banned user , i highly doubt u will get back on that site.
 
I'm not in business with him though. I went in on a group of animals and was just trying to sell my half. Isn't that guilty by association? AND how is that a violation of Kingsnake TOS?
 
not sure man , just going by what others have said . like i said try to call the person in charge and explain the situation , but might want to try on a non holiday.
 
cornuta said:
I admit I was on a computer owned by a banned user.
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What were you thinking?

If you've had your account since 2006 you know that particular site goes to great lengths to protect what it perceives as a healthy buying/selling environment. It is no secret that one must follow the rules there closely.

It is no secret that on any site if someone is banned, they will sometimes try to return as an alter ego, and all sites take a dim view of that kind of circumventions of their decisions.

It has happened before where a user there gets consequences, and then runs over here to complain. While it may alert the rest of us to exactly how strict the rules are, it rarely benefits the person who complains.

Perhaps what you should have done is lay low for a few months, sent an apology and request for return. But now that you've put up this thread, that probably won't help.
 
What would I do, if I were in the same situation? Nothing. I would know I screwed up, and I would simply start finding another way to advertise/sell my "product." So, that business could continue as usual.
 
Lucille said:
Perhaps what you should have done is lay low for a few months, sent an apology and request for return. But now that you've put up this thread, that probably won't help.
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That's the best advise, right there.

If you are lucky, and you stop running your mouth, you might get back on in six months or so (could be longer). Once you go out and publically trash Jeff, his rules, website, or whatever, you are shooting yourself in the foot. Kingsnake has rules, like any site, and they really enforce them. This business is full of scammers, and they try to keep them out. After seeing what you did, I would question you as well. And all of your responces are the same things a scammer/liar would say. So how do you distinguish them from you? Kingsnake has done nothing wrong. Don't bother waisting your time with a letter from an attorney, you will only make things worse for you. Keep quiet, and hope they allow you to return some day.

Herp.Herp.Hooray said:
It's pretty simple look into the B L B C
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I am a member of that site, and I happen to like it, but keep this in mind. Your post is really a ridiculous post. That site gets next to no traffic when you compare it to Kingsnake. Kingsnake is the ultimate on-line reptile marketplace. No other web site even comes close, and if you took all of the on-line reptile marketplace's, and put them in order from one to whatever, the site you speak of would be nowhere near the top. That doesn't mean anything negative about that site, it means they don't get the traffic. Kingsnake is, and probably will always be the dominant reptile marketplace. There is nothing wrong with advertising on as many sites as possible. But when you lose the one that gets the most exposure, it makes it harder to survive.

Best advise to the OP is keep quiet, and hope they allow you to return.
 
KS can be pretty over the top about their classifieds IMO. I know a very well known breeder that had his ads pulled because KS said his prices were too high!!! Who ever heard of a classified telling a seller how to price his/her products??? In any case, I don't see this thread as "trashing" Jeff or KS by the OP. I think he's just looking for reasonable advice on how to proceed. I think the idea of waiting at least a couple of weeks until things have settled down a bit and then try contacting Jeff again with the full story and an apology is probably your best bet as well. Keep your cool because as always, honey catches a lot more flies than vinegar. If you jump the gun and freak out, there's no reason for them to allow you back. If you stay level headed and professional, perhaps you'll get them to reevaluate the situation.
 
Of course, there's always the option of not doing business with people who you know have been banned from KS. This would also include not being in such a hurry to post up what you "went in on" that you use a banned member's IP. I'm guessing that as whatever you got came out of the box it went up for sale.

Also doesn't speak terribly well of your quarantine system nor a thorough checking of what you're reselling. Of course, since you haven't specified what you got, it may have been something like spiderlings or such that are not conducive to such practices.

Can't see KS being at fault on this one.
 
originally posted by brd7666
If you are lucky, and you stop running your mouth, you might get back on in six months or so (could be longer). Once you go out and publically trash Jeff, his rules, website, or whatever, you are shooting yourself in the foot. Kingsnake has rules, like any site, and they really enforce them. This business is full of scammers, and they try to keep them out. After seeing what you did, I would question you as well. And all of your responces are the same things a scammer/liar would say. So how do you distinguish them from you? Kingsnake has done nothing wrong. Don't bother waisting your time with a letter from an attorney, you will only make things worse for you. Keep quiet, and hope they allow you to return some day.
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I am not bashing Jeff, his website or rules. I am simply looking for advice. I don't sell reptiles for a living and don't make any money selling reptiles. "You stated all my responses are the same things a scammer/liar would say". I am not following this? I must also state the website I provided them is for the company I work for and it has nothing to do with reptiles. Furthermore I sent him a copy of my driver's license. You can even look up my professional certification on the state DOL website.

Also, wouldn't a letter from an attorney prove I am who I say I am? I am just thinking that would prove my identity?

Originally posted by Lucille
What were you thinking?

If you've had your account since 2006 you know that particular site goes to great lengths to protect what it perceives as a healthy buying/selling environment. It is no secret that one must follow the rules there closely.

It is no secret that on any site if someone is banned, they will sometimes try to return as an alter ego, and all sites take a dim view of that kind of circumventions of their decisions.

It has happened before where a user there gets consequences, and then runs over here to complain. While it may alert the rest of us to exactly how strict the rules are, it rarely benefits the person who complains.

Perhaps what you should have done is lay low for a few months, sent an apology and request for return. But now that you've put up this thread, that probably won't help.
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I am sorry Lucille, this is my hobby. I don't follow everything that's going on with the websites. My usual routine is to check the iguana classifieds and forums and that's it. I have never really ventured other places on Fauna or Kingsnake. I understand the rules, buy don't see how I have done anything against the TOS? I understand there position but feel I have given ample public information to show I am not who they say I am. Is posting an ad from someone else's computer against any TOS?(whether there banned or not). Furthermore, I didn't even think about what it would look like when I posted the ad. I am not a crook and don't think that way.

Originally posted by EA7770
I don't see this thread as "trashing" Jeff or KS by the OP. I think he's just looking for reasonable advice on how to proceed.
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Thanks
 
cornuta said:
Also, wouldn't a letter from an attorney prove I am who I say I am? I am just thinking that would prove my identity?
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I appreciate your implication that attorneys are the Bearers of Truth. And some are. And some are not.
 
cornuta said:
TOS?
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Why are you coming back with all this? You came here asking what you should do, and when we answered, you argued with us.

I think you should disengage from this thread and lie low, and then after a few months go apologize. But is seems you are not really asking for opinions and that your mind is already made up.
 
cornuta said:
Oh, what to do?

I had my kingsnake account since 2006. Last week I was banned as I posted ads for animals from his house. We went in on a group of animals and when they arrived I went to pick up my animals and posted ads from his house. Now Jeff banned me saying I was this other person, let them use my account or was posting ads for them.

I have had some emailing with Jeff and it has gotten no where. I provided my company website which has photos and contact numbers, told Jeff to call me to clear this up and have really gotten no response. I admit I was on a computer owned by a banned user. BUT that is the end of it. I apparently am not getting a refund and it has been 4-5 days since my last email with no response.

Jeff stated he had proof I was not who I said I was and when asked to provide the proof he provided evidence that an ad was placed from his computer per IP address. My problem with this is how to I prove I did nothing wrong??? He states I am not who i say I am? I even emailed Jeff my driver's license to prove I am a real person. Have had a classified account more than 1 time, have no complaints or issues.

How far should I take this? How would you go about proving I am who I am? There evidence is based on a ip address. All that proves is I was on the same computer. I haven't even tried to explain what happened as I have just been trying to prove I am who I say I am. Should I have a lawyer write a letter? Forget about it? I am just irritated of being accused of being someone I'm not based purely on association!

Jacob Crawford
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I'll be quite honest about it, I would doubt your story as well. While it may very well be the truth, it just sounds phony as hell. First off, although IP addresses are not a foolproof method to determine someone's identity, it does go a long way in that regard. Quite frankly, if someone registers a new account here with an IP match to someone who is banned, that registration will normally be rejected. For whatever reason, many times presumptions just have to be made merely on whatever scanty, although suspicious, evidence is presented at the time.

Secondly, your claim of being in such a hurry to post up animals you just picked up in your deal that you just had to post them NOW from another person's PC (who happened to be banned from KS) instead of going back home with them, inspecting them, perhaps taking photos, and knowing exactly what you were offering, well, that just sounds unlikely to me. Honestly, it's hard to comprehend someone being in THAT big of a hurry to flip those animals. Yes, it could be true, but someone trying to bypass a ban would say something like this, don't you think?

As far as supporting documentation trying to prove who you are, well at this point the presumption would be that you are lying. Who knows to what ends someone will go in order to support their original lie with additional lies? Photoshop can make any documentation look legit except to a trained eye.

As for a note from your attorney, quite frankly, that will likely carry just as much weight as a note from your mother would.

Honestly, I don't know what to suggest to you except that you now just have to make the best of the situation and move on. This is nothing personal against you, but only my take on things looking at past experiences here that would be considered as similar in concept.

Good luck to you....
 
I don't think the problem is proving that you are who you say you are. It doesn't matter that you are a different person. The person that you are bypassed a ban. I know you weren't banned, and I am sure you are not the other person. You appear to be very open with sharing what you have done, so I don't think you would lie about it. However, you have enabled a person who would not otherwise have been able to utilize the service to do so. He was able to secure animals that his actions on the site would have prevented him from obtaining. I would actually think a little differently if you had been interested in some animals but didn't want to buy as many as were in the package deal so you enlisted a partner in the deal. It looks like the banned user was the one who wanted the animals though. It looks like you just did it to help him get the animals he wanted, and getting a little money for yourself was a bonus...like a payment to make the risk worth it. You sold your animals, and the risk caught up. Now you feel it was not worth it.

Were the animals sent to you, or the other person?

Did you post them on the KS classifieds when you got them in?
 
Originally posted by Lucille
Why are you coming back with all this? You came here asking what you should do, and when we answered, you argued with us.
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I don't see how I am arguing? TOS? I don't follow your comment of "Why are you coming back with all this?". I was merely asking if anyone feels it was against Kingsnake's TOS rules of what happened?

Originally posted by Webslave
As far as supporting documentation trying to prove who you are, well at this point the presumption would be that you are lying. Who knows to what ends someone will go in order to support their original lie with additional lies? Photoshop can make any documentation look legit except to a trained eye.
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I agree with that regarding my license. But I gave him the company website that I work for that has employee profiles and contact numbers as well as sending him my driver's license? The website also has a company picture and individual ones. I think it would be really hard to fake all that stuff?

Originally posted by Daveyfig
However, you have enabled a person who would not otherwise have been able to utilize the service to do so. He was able to secure animals that his actions on the site would have prevented him from obtaining.

Were the animals sent to you, or the other person?

Did you post them on the KS classifieds when you got them in?
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I don't think my actions helped him secure animals that he otherwise wouldn't have been able to. Even though I am no banned, I can still look at ads and I assume respond to them. I think the only thing being banned does is not allow a banned person from posting ads or posting in the forum.

Not that it matters but, the animals were never listed on Kingsnake, so him being banned did not inhibit the purchasing of the animals. I don't think the breeder even advertises on kingsnake either, at least not that I know of.

Regarding your questions,

The animals were sent to me through the airlines. They are all captive bred and require legal paperwork to ship. I was interested in them and have not sold any of them yet.

yes I placed the ad when I got them in. I never stated anything that was false about the animals. Probably not the smartest thing to post them right away, but I don't do this as a business and would always make it right if something happened.

I am not trying to argue with anyone on here. I admit I made a mistake all around, yet I just want to clear it up as I had no bad intentions. I understand Kingsnake's position on the event and how it looks, but that is not what it is. heck, this year I gave all my baby rhino iguanas away, didn't even try to sell them.
 
Just an idea.

My younger brother has sold quite a few more animals on facebook than he ever did on kingsnake. Give it a try. He usually sets it up as an auction situation.
 
The thing is Jacob, if you're telling the truth, then you're a victim of countless scammers who have said the same thing you have. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

My guess is that Jeff has policies in place because there are so many scumbags out there trying to bypass his rules on his site. So far, I haven't seen a good reason for him to go contrary to his own policies. You MIGHT be a scammer, you MIGHT not be. Either way, you know the guy you did business with was not allowed on KS. Poor forethought on your part.

For less than a hundred bucks you can get any number of whores, er liars, er lawyers to say anything you want them too. I'm pretty sure Jeff knows that too. It's not so much about who you are, from what I can see, as it is about what you did. Intentional or not you violated his policies and are now paying the price.
 
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