cornuta
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I guess that's my problem! I don't see what I did that was against KS policy's? If you have a different take then let me know because I honestly don't see what I did that was against them?
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Inquiry Banned from Kingsnake - what would you do?
- Thread starter cornuta
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I guess that's my problem! I don't see what I did that was against KS policy's? If you have a different take then let me know because I honestly don't see what I did that was against them?
Jacob Crawford
brd7666
Well-known member
Maybe you are legit, maybe you're not. Bottom line is, you associate with someone who is banned from Kingsnake. You used this persons computer to even post an ad. As far as they are concerned, you are bypassing the ban. You are guilty by association whether you like it or not. You should choose your friends wisely. Now they think you are selling this persons animals. And to be honest, something smells fishy to me too.
Jacob they don't really need an excuse such as a policy. They suspect foul play because you logged into your account with a banned ip. By logging in on that banned ip you violated this intentionally or not
classified account is a service contract established in the name of a SINGLE ENTITY. If more than one (1) person is found to be using a single account without prior permission, or that advertisements for more than one (1) individual or business are being posted using a single account, that account will be IMMEDIATELY TERMINATED with no notice or warning. If a person OTHER than the one listed in the registration form is found using the account the account will be terminated. Anyone found violating this rule is committing Theft of Service and may be prosecuted as such.
All you can do is send a polite email and hope for the best.
Dennis Hultman
New member
How did your reply to the ban come off?
About seven years ago I was given a permanent ban from KS for attacking a known thief on the forums. I responded with acknowledgement of what I did, taking responsibility and most importantly respect for their decision and understanding their point of view. The ban was removed the next day.
The point is, I violated a policy as well. If it was only a mistake on your part how you respond gives credence to your claims.
If everything you state is accurate, then treating their decision with understanding as to why it was made and showing respect would have reopened the door at some point, I would think.
You are being presumed guilty and should understand why and convey the right message. If you are guilty be honest about it as well. With full knowledge I violated a rule and took responsibility for it.
About seven years ago I was given a permanent ban from KS for attacking a known thief on the forums. I responded with acknowledgement of what I did, taking responsibility and most importantly respect for their decision and understanding their point of view. The ban was removed the next day.
The point is, I violated a policy as well. If it was only a mistake on your part how you respond gives credence to your claims.
If everything you state is accurate, then treating their decision with understanding as to why it was made and showing respect would have reopened the door at some point, I would think.
You are being presumed guilty and should understand why and convey the right message. If you are guilty be honest about it as well. With full knowledge I violated a rule and took responsibility for it.
cornuta
New member
I have been respectful in all terms. I understand there point, just want to clear it up. It has only been a week since I was banned. I was not notified I was banned and send a general email for clarification when I realized it. There response said I was banned because "you are posting ads for, or assisting, or actually are" the other identity. I have sent 2 or 3 emails trying to prove I am not the other person, haven't even got to what happened. Just trying to prove I am who I say I am. Once again, I haven't been rude in anyway towards Jeff or the Kingsnake crew.
On a side note, below is the reason I disagree with the whole ip thing. By recognizing someone by an ip address, you are condemning everybody in a certain geographical area. I already admitted I was on his computer, this is just why I don't like the ip identification thing.
Taken from the windevelopment.com
"It would be simple if every computer that connects to the Internet could have its own static IP number, but when the Internet was first conceived, the architects didn't foresee the need for an unlimited number of IP addresses. Consequently, there are not enough IP numbers to go around. To get around that problem, many Internet service providers limit the number of static IP addresses they allocate, and economize on the remaining number of IP addresses they possess by temporarily assigning an IP address to a requesting Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) computer from a pool of IP addresses. The temporary IP address is called a dynamic IP address.
Requesting DHCP computers receive a dynamic IP address (think temporary phone number) for the duration of that Internet session or for some other specified amount of time. Once the user disconnects from the Internet, their dynamic IP address goes back into the IP address pool so it can be assigned to another user. Even if the user reconnects immediately, odds are they will not be assigned the same IP address from the pool. To keep our telephone telephone analogy going, using a dynamic IP address is similar to using a pay phone. Unless there is a reason to receive a call, the user does not care what number he or she is calling from."
doesn't this present a problem if relying on an ip address alone?
On a side note, below is the reason I disagree with the whole ip thing. By recognizing someone by an ip address, you are condemning everybody in a certain geographical area. I already admitted I was on his computer, this is just why I don't like the ip identification thing.
Taken from the windevelopment.com
"It would be simple if every computer that connects to the Internet could have its own static IP number, but when the Internet was first conceived, the architects didn't foresee the need for an unlimited number of IP addresses. Consequently, there are not enough IP numbers to go around. To get around that problem, many Internet service providers limit the number of static IP addresses they allocate, and economize on the remaining number of IP addresses they possess by temporarily assigning an IP address to a requesting Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) computer from a pool of IP addresses. The temporary IP address is called a dynamic IP address.
Requesting DHCP computers receive a dynamic IP address (think temporary phone number) for the duration of that Internet session or for some other specified amount of time. Once the user disconnects from the Internet, their dynamic IP address goes back into the IP address pool so it can be assigned to another user. Even if the user reconnects immediately, odds are they will not be assigned the same IP address from the pool. To keep our telephone telephone analogy going, using a dynamic IP address is similar to using a pay phone. Unless there is a reason to receive a call, the user does not care what number he or she is calling from."
doesn't this present a problem if relying on an ip address alone?
Dennis Hultman
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It's really a mute point, isn't it? At least in your case. You have acknowledged that they are correct. You should focus on the facts of your situation not on generalities of why someone else could be innocent.
Dennis Hultman
New member
Also just to note, it is a great tool. While in general that all may be correct but when you apply the above information to one site you get a better understanding why it holds more water. You have been here for more than five years. In that time you have only used two different IP addresses. In the history of fauna nobody else has ever used the same addresses. Ever.
Posts: 1,043,640, Members: 57,216 at this time. Not a match.
If someone were to come on this thread after you signed off and posted with a match, I would be confident enough that it came from your computer. Same thread, you bet I would.
If all of a sudden you were banned here and new ads popped up using the same IP selling similar animals, I would believe that it was you as well. No doubt even with the dynamic IP. The odds favor it.
DaveyFig
New member
Jacob, you don't have to answer, but I was wondering who your banned friend is.
Bobby Douglass
Active member
Jeff can ban you for any reason he wants to. Any mention of a lawyer for any reason is not going to work out well if you want let back on there. Like many have already said, give it some time and then contact him again.
Spyral
New member
I sympathize with your situation, but there is no legal requirement for KS to let everyone have an account. It's a privilege, not a right, and all attempts you make to "prove" you are might be seen as argumentative/confrontational, especially if you continue to do so. I don't feel you did anything wrong other than being ignorant of their interpretation of rules. Your efforts to try to prove your point may just be a hassle they do not want to deal with, and one they don't have to deal with (legally).
They perceived the violation of a few of their Terms of Service rules.
"Only one (1) account is allowed per business or individual. "
"Posting advertisements under multiple business names with one (1) account is not allowed."
They use an IP check for this, regardless of how flawed you or others see it, as a method of identification. It's a simple solution that does come with flaws, but works for the majority of the site's users.
I don't think you violated the "don't let anyone who's banned obtain a new account" but it could be seen as borderline due to your shared business transaction and posting animals from his computer. I think you genuinely did not think about how it would be seen, especially if you didn't know he was banned. Still, it's probably too close for comfort for the (volunteer?) staff at KS to mess with.
Some scammers don't use their real names for scamming, they use fake names and use their real ones only when necessary, possibly to circumvent a ban on their "fake" account(s).
You also don't want to deal with the violation of being "Abusive/Belligerent/Argumentative to Staff" by pushing this too aggressively.
You can also give them feedback on how you think they can improve upon the IP check system, but:
"However, please understand that when we make, change, or eliminate rules, we have to consider a variety of ways they impact the web site, and just because it appears to be a good thing, from our perspective your suggestion may in fact be unworkable."
Best of luck in getting re-instated, but I would totally stay away from using a lawyer for this matter. Since you don't sell reptiles for a living, you don't have to be on KS and have many other websites to sell the animals you recently purchased.
MandyB
New member
If this was just a simple mistake/misunderstanding then chances are Jeff would have been more lenient and let you back on after you explained things. The fact that you have not been able to clear your name implies that there is may be more to the story than what you have said. You seem to be upset that you cannot prove that you are not the other person. How long has your friend been banned from the site? Does your friend have a history of trying to sneak around the rules to get back on the site? If they do then that is reason enough for Jeff to suspect anything you say.
You publicly admit to having gone in together with a banned user to buy animals to flip for profit (doesn't matter if you were splitting the animals up.. you bought them together so you are both in it together). You were in such a hurry to flip animals that the two of you just bought that you admit that you posted from the banned user's computer. Couldn't you have taken the time to GO HOME to do YOUR business from YOUR computer? You were in such a hurry you just HAD to do business from THEIR computer? Red flags all around. The banned user knew they were banned, but didn't warn you? Well known that some banned people will go to great lengths to get back on KS such as getting friends and family to be the account holder for them.
JCarter
New member
You're right, that is your problem. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe what you did to be against policy or TOS. It only matters that Jeff views what you did to be in violation of his rules. They are just that, HIS rules and it is HIS site.
Whether or not you're ignorant or were intentionally trying to deceive someone is beside the point to me. Personally, I think it's pretty trivial of you coming to Fauna and complaining or "asking advice" in regards to something happening on another site. That's like me going to McDonalds and complaining about an encounter that I had at Burger King. I would never ask an employee or customer of McD's how I should go about "clearing up" a misunderstanding I had Burger King. That makes no sense whatsoever. Kind of stupid if you think about it.
deborahbroadus
HARD CANDY
cornuta
New member
I am frustrated because I was accused of being someone else. The few emails I sent to Jeff have been mostly unreturned. It's hard to explain the situation with no reply.
Apparently since 1998. I haven't known him that long. Not sure on the second question
Correct, I publicly admit to it. But had no idea he was banned
Correct. I was not informed.
I have to disagree with you. As a business accepting money for a service, the rules should be black and white, not up to interpretation. And if they something is questionable that is there choice, yet they shouldn't be able to keep you money based on a "feeling or interpretation of the rules".
At this point, I am just going to forget about it. If my attempts to explain the situation are not responded too, I can't do much more. Live and learn.
Suncoast Herpetological
Lurking in the Shadows
To the OP.
Do you happen to know what your friend was banned for in 1998? This may have a bearing on the severity of Jeff's response to you
Do you happen to know what your friend was banned for in 1998? This may have a bearing on the severity of Jeff's response to you
starsevol
New member
Here is my story, as something similar happened to me.....kind of....
In fall of 2005 I was banned from ks. I dislike hybrids intensely, and had a bit too much to drink, and caused some trouble in the hybrid forum. To this day I can't exactly remember what I said. I was permabanned from ks.com immediately. That was probably one of the best things that has ever happened to me (in my life!). I found another forum and joined, have been there every single day since, and have made some incredible friends. Truly a life changing experiance for me.
Last year (6 years later mind you), I sent an email to Jeff and apoligized for everything. Told him if I was allowed back I would behave with the utmost of respect for everyone there. I never heard back from him and the ban was never lifted. I am pretty much ok with it. But not hearing from him one way or another after I sent that email makes me wonder what type of a person he is.
In fall of 2005 I was banned from ks. I dislike hybrids intensely, and had a bit too much to drink, and caused some trouble in the hybrid forum. To this day I can't exactly remember what I said. I was permabanned from ks.com immediately. That was probably one of the best things that has ever happened to me (in my life!). I found another forum and joined, have been there every single day since, and have made some incredible friends. Truly a life changing experiance for me.
Last year (6 years later mind you), I sent an email to Jeff and apoligized for everything. Told him if I was allowed back I would behave with the utmost of respect for everyone there. I never heard back from him and the ban was never lifted. I am pretty much ok with it. But not hearing from him one way or another after I sent that email makes me wonder what type of a person he is.
paulWTAMU
New member
If I had to guess? A busy one.
starsevol
New member
Yes, you are probably right. That has to be why it's been 4 months with no answer....he is so busy he is way way behind!!
Focal
New member
There is nothing you can do but try again later. There is an old saying, and please don't take it as an insult, but "you are known by the company you keep."