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BCI by Design...Brendan Magee. Very poor business ethics

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Shawn,

What's the issue with the paperwork on a salmon? Is it a salmon hetero for ghost or sunglow, or is it that you just want to confirm it's a salmon? Do you care to post pictures if you are in doubt?

Kindly.
 
He told you how he was going to ship(in the bag)and you said you were alright with that even though you have never had animals shipped like that.So he did tell you ahead of time.Now for no heat pac ,you are both from Florida?What was the lows during shipping.Now for not having any paper or support in the box was wrong,but I dont think people should be telling Brendan that this thread is going to destroy his buisness.HAS ANY ONE ELSE EVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH BRENDAN??????????I totally think this site is VERY important BUT,I dont think Brendan should be lynched like this.Their are WAY to many BAD people in this buisness to be downing one of the good guys.As for shipping illegal,come on reality check!!!! 3/4 of the reptile buisnesses ship illegally.If thats the case we could flood boi with threads of illegal shipping.I personally am certified with a few shipping companies so I am sooo glad I dont have to deal with that issue.This is a case of one buisness bashing another buisness,LETS KEEP THIS SITE FOR THE REAL BAD GUYS!!!!and Brendan if you are reading,next time crumpel up some news paper for support of the snake.You cant please everyone. Mike wampole(boafanatic.com)
 
Did I miss something?? Where did Shawn know ahead of time that he was shipping in a bag to him? I am sorry but Mike if you don't see someone who ships a snake in a box with no padding, insulation, and in a sealed, airtight bag as a bad guy then maybe you really should look at this with an open mind. Shawn did not get what he ordered and paid for, he received an animal shipped in a terrible fashion and I am surprised the animal survived the trip. As for my statement about this affecting his business if you don't think it will you are sadly mistaken. How many of the people that have read this thread now will not order from him not only because of the shipping in a sealed bag, but because of the paperwork issue, and because of his attitude about the entire thing? Probably more than you or he thinks or realizes. Everyone can make a mistake that is human nature, but to try and blow it off as if it was nothing that is where the real problems begin. So as I see it Shawn paid X amount of money for X product but in fact only received C product. Specially since Shawn is unable to verify the animal is the correct animal.
 
Peruvianfanatic said:
He told you how he was going to ship(in the bag)and you said you were alright with that even though you have never had animals shipped like that.So he did tell you ahead of time.
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So if I tell you ahead of time that I will ship you some geckos in a airtight rubbermaid container that has only one pinprick airhole in it, and you agree to it, that makes it ok if I do so??????????

Sorry, I do not get your logic.
 
Brendan told me "Well I shipped the snake in the bag because it was gonna cost me too much to ship him the regular way. The bag was only $19.00 and regular shipping was about $50.00. So I took my chance and tried it, never shipped this way before"
They said them selfs that they would take the chance.So they indeed new ahead of time.
 
Misty,what I am saying is that they should not be complaning if they new ahead of time how the snake was going to be shipped.They are just as bad as Brendan is for that.
 
Rob,if you read my post before yours you will see that I had an issue about not having any thing for supporting the snake.You really need to read things clearly!!!
 
Peruvianfanatic said:
Brendan told me "Well I shipped the snake in the bag because it was gonna cost me too much to ship him the regular way. The bag was only $19.00 and regular shipping was about $50.00. So I took my chance and tried it, never shipped this way before"
They said them selfs that they would take the chance.So they indeed new ahead of time.
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No, re-read it. They were quoting Brendan. Those are his words, his response when questioned why he shipped the snake in the bag. He took the chance shipping it that way, not the customer.
 
i've been aware of this post for several days now and i just cant believe how every one here is bashing Brendan.I would like to say i have dealt with brendan on several ocasions with fantastic results .i have animals on hold with him right now that i intend to payoff in the next few weeks, and plan to continue to purchase from him. Brendan is one of the good guys people! i too purchased a snake from him in april that also arrived in the same fashion and personally i saw nothing wrong with it. the snake was big enough to fit snug in the box hence no need for packing material. the box was small but as snake people know snakes feel secure in small tight spaces , hence the snake was not stressed .as for the envolope being air tight? are you people kiding? do you really think those things are air tight? yeah ok sure . as for the no heat pack issue, it was april . the snake was being shipped from north carolina to miami i really doubt there was a need for a heat pack in fact im sure if there would have been a heat pack added we' would be here discussing how the snake died durring shipping and and not brendan shipping practices themselves. as for the illegal shipping i have been recieving packeages at a rate of several per week for the last 5 years and have never ever recieved on that comforms to the lacey act . some said earlier that 3/4 of the industry ships illegally i would put that number closer to 90% of the business . as for the paper work issue what exactly is the animal het for? that has not been elaborated on personally i dont remember brendan offering a hypo het for anything around that time if he had i probably would have bought it . so canes what was it het for? i do remember him offering a normal hypo that was stunning is this the animal? if so what exactly do you need paper work for? its a hypo. so if you please can you clear this up for me
John Peraza
 
I have to agree. I think the witch hunt is out of line. The shipping manner is not one that I would use, but I would have payed him to ship in the manner i wished. It would help to go over these things with the seller before anything is shipped, not to wait around on a package with a camera when it is too late. The fact is the snake is not damaged.

6 weeks on paperwork in the boa world from a recognized breeder has been minimal in my experience. If you bought it for resale i can see your frustration, but a bad guy thread i do not agree with.
howard ross
 
Even if we were to disregard the paperwork and the Lacey Act tangent, Brendan was still in the wrong, no two ways about it.

The manner in which the snake was packaged defies logic and common sense. It was both irresponsible and negligent.
 
Ammended to add... I'm sure Brendan is a great guy and is normally responsible, but this manner in which he shipped represents a tremeandous lapse of judgement. Being upset about it hardly qualifies as a "witch hunt."
 
I am not really looking for an argument. I don't like the way the animal was shipped, but i find it far less damning than the snakes that were shipped without insulation from florida in one of the other recent posts. I have never talket to brendan, nor do i see myself talking to him in the near future. A Bad judgement yes, but "very poor business ethics" i do not agree with.
Howard Ross
 
LOSTNCONFUSED said:
i too purchased a snake from him in april that also arrived in the same fashion and personally i saw nothing wrong with it. the snake was big enough to fit snug in the box hence no need for packing material. the box was small but as snake people know snakes feel secure in small tight spaces , hence the snake was not stressed .as for the envolope being air tight? are you people kiding? do you really think those things are air tight? yeah ok sure .
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So if the snake is big enough to fit snuggly into the box...Well, that would be some funny shaped reptiles or truly squshed into the box to take on that shape...;)

Also, even "if" the snake was snug, there is ONLY about a half an inch or less of styrofoam between the snake and the outside...i'm sure anyone can imagine how those boxes are thrown around, and that IS NOT enough padding, PERIOD.
Yes, the snake should be SNUGG, thats why you add PADDING around it, as well as styrofoam lining inside the box.
Every animal I have ever gotten, (admittably not many) has been shipped in that fashion, even lower priced ones.

As to those envelopes being airtight, yes, they almost ARE, "no kidding", they are of a very strong, waterproof, rip-proof nylon. The whole purpose of them is to protect the contents inside from the outside.
They wouldn't be 100% airproof, obviously, however let me ask you this....

What would you prefer? Traveling out and about (going from warmer to cooler to warmer temps, as being moved about from buildings to vehicles and so on...) stuck in material that "breathes" and has ready air-exchange, or in a very strong, sealed nylon-bag????

Try it out, just put a normal shopping bag (far weaker and more air intake then the shipping bag) over your head fairly tight and walk about outside for a bit. Lets see how you feel in even slightly warm temps...trouble breathing? uncomfortable?

Who would have thought.

I'm not saying Brendan is one of the bad guys, far from it.

However this shipping method STINKS!!!!

And least he could do to show his character is to admit it and not to do it anymore.

But to each their own.

my 2 cents
 
I for one will not purchase an animal from someone who shows no regard for the animal's health when shipping it in this manner. His flippant attitude about it only magnifies the problem.
 
Your right my bad.I read it wrong.Thats what I get for hanging with the boi hens that early in the morning.Any ways,Brendan ,you should get ALL the people you have sent snakes too and have them flood this thread of how happy they are.Every buisness makes mistakes and they learn from it,but this mistake is NOT going to break his buisness.If anything he will be asked more about how he is shipping.Whats the paper work for a salmon?If its a salmon het for albino or anery for $800.00 I think you should be thanking him for the deal you got instead of bad mouthing him. Mike Wampole
 
hmmmm

i just love to see people take the point trying to be made here and blowing it away like it wasnt there

PEOPLE BRENDAN IS BEING how u say (bashed,witch hunt,etc...etc...etc...)
BECAUSE HE SHIPS HIS ANIMALS IN A CARLESS MANNER
WITH NO REGARD FOR THE ANIMALS LIFE ... AND THEN HAS THE NERVE TO POST HIS RESPONSE ON HERE WITH AN ATTITUDE THAT HE DONT GIVE A RATS A$$...

THATS WHATS BEING BROUGHT UP HERE TO BE THE POINT OF ALL THIS
HE SCREWED UP AND ACTS LIKE HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG AND THATS WHERE HE MADE HIS MISTAKE

HE HAS POOR ATTITUDE ABOUT THE WELLBEING OF HIS ANIMALS AND HOS SHIPPIGN METHODS CLEARLY SHOW THAT
AND HIS POOR BUSINESS ETHICS FALL UNDER HIS ATTITUDE AND RESPONSE ....

AS FAR AS HURTING HIS BUSINESS NAW WE HAVENT DONE THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT
"HE DID IT TO HIMSELF " BY THE WAY HE REACTED IN HIS POST ..


AND I LOVE THE WAY ALL THE " NEW MEMBERS " POP OUT OF NOWHERE TO DEFEND THIS GUY AND SAY WHAT HE DID IS OK ..



WELL ITS NOT OK WHAT HE DID HE ENDANGERED THE ANIMALS HEALTH AND WELL BEING BY BEING IGNORANT TO THINK ITS SAFE TO SHIP AN ANIMLA IN A BOX
1) WITH NO PADDING
2)IN AN ALMOST IF NOT COMPLETELY AIRTIGHT BAG
AND
3) HIS DAM LOUSY ATTITUDE ABOUT WHAT HE DID


NO PEOPLE WE ARENT DOING ANY DAMAGE TO HIS BUSINESS CAUSE HIS OWN WORDS AND SHIPPING PRACTICES DID THE JOB FOR US .....WE ARE JUST HERE TO FIND OUT WHY HE WOULD BE SO IRRISPONSIBLE TO PUT AN ANIMAL IN JEAPORDY LIKE THAT ...



jmhfo
 
Look,if the shipping was soooo bad they would have posted months ago when snake arrived.Why wait this long????????? Its because of the paper work that they started this thread.I am still wondering whats the paper works for??????? So lets not kid are selfs,Brendan has a great reputation that will be hard to break.I think you all know that,and hey while I am at it.This Crazy Cane person was selling a "GUYANA" a month ago that was CLEARLY not a "GUYANA".Being a true red tail lover and keeper,I cant stand people MISLABELING their local Boas.Now to me THATS also BAD ethics,hell thats fraud.Before you all say that I am turning things around,well just proving that they are guilty of a mistake too.You all have made mistakes(think hard).
 
Peruvianfanatic said:
Look,if the shipping was soooo bad they would have posted months ago when snake arrived.Why wait this long????????? Its because of the paper work that they started this thread.I am still wondering whats the paper works for??????? So lets not kid are selfs,Brendan has a great reputation that will be hard to break.I think you all know that,and hey while I am at it.This Crazy Cane person was selling a "GUYANA" a month ago that was CLEARLY not a "GUYANA".Being a true red tail lover and keeper,I cant stand people MISLABELING their local Boas.Now to me THATS also BAD ethics,hell thats fraud.Before you all say that I am turning things around,well just proving that they are guilty of a mistake too.You all have made mistakes(think hard).
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Did you mention anything about the mislabeling to crazycane at the time or are you only bringing it up now? If you mentioned it prior to the post I quoted then it belongs here, if however, this is the first mention you've made of it you're sort of shooting yourself in the foot by bringing it up now. Sort of convenient isn't it?
 
I am not a new member here although I do not post here very often. I have had 2 animals shipped to me from Brendan and did not have a problem with either. It might have been a good idea for Brendan to make it clear how he was shipping beforehand, however the animal did arrive alive and the paperwork did finally make it. It is always a matter of choice to purchase (or not) from any particular breeder and if Brendan had an animal available that I wanted, I would choose to buy from him again. Did Brendan pack the animal as well as he should have? Obviously not, but it did arrive alive. Has anyone else here ever made a mistake or had a lapse in judgement? I think we all know the answer to that one too! Give the guy a break and move on to some REAL bad guys, OK? Just my opinions here!

Denny Rimes
 
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