BCI by Design...Brendan Magee. Very poor business ethics

[KelliH]

seeing as the majority of people posting on this thread are probably bearded dragon people and leopard gecko people your hardly qualified to wash the mans drawers let alone sling mud at him .

John Peraza, what the heck is that supposed to be implying? That all leopard gecko or bearded dragon keepers are morons in comparison to those that keep boas and pythons?

I mean, I would LOVE to have you or Brendan Magee for that matter, come and work my huge gecko collection for a week. Oh yeah, not to mention the feeder bug colonies HAHAHA! I think maybe then you would have more respect for the time and energy and talent that goes into being an "unqualified" herpetoculturist.

By the way Mr. Peraza, I may be just a lowly leopard gecko breeder (actually I have successfully kept and bred several other geckos as well), but I also have had a hand in keeping and reproducing a large number of boas and pythons at home with my husband, along with several species of Asian and North American rat snake as well as many other colubrids.

So maybe next time before you put down all of us "bearded dragon people and leopard gecko people" you should think twice about it, because most of us work very hard to care for our animals, and some of us have way more experience with snakes than perhaps even you or Brendan do.

Oh yeah, just one more thing. Even though I am "just a leopard gecko breeder", I know the difference between a professional packing/shipping job and a crappy one. And shipping any reptile in the manner in which Brendan shipped is unprofessional. Anyone that claims otherwise is either A.) inexperienced in shipping reptiles or B.) lying.

 

[robin d.]

::: sniff sniff ::: i love you kelli

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

you know what robin first off you dont know jack !!! thats the bottom line here. 1. brendan refuses to come on here simply because of people like you who have nothing better to do than to come on here and make themselves out to be better than someone. i explained it simply how it was explained to me to shed some light on the subject and to explain bredans intentions with ihs post . the bottom line of it all is that they guy was happy with his animal untill the paper work wasnt to his likeing, then and only then did he come on here to bash brendan without i might add speaking to him about it first. as for your and kelley's advanced knowledge of boas ? yeah rigggght! i highly doubt it if you did know anything about boas you would know that the animal was never in any danger at all . have you recieved animals in this nature? no? cause i have and as i have stated time and time again even though i personally wouldnt have shipped in this manner , it dosent make it wrong. and kelly i highly doubt that you know more about boas than i do although anything is possible but that is niether here nore there .i too have taken care of bearded dragons and geckos as well as the colony of feeders that go with them and while i must admit it is a task it by no way qualifies you people to even say a word about boas im sure brendan as well as my self have forgottem more about boas than either of you two will ever know combined the way you two are attempting to bash brendan whos credentials in this business speak for themselves it seems like the only people who have anything bad to say about brendan are the guy who started this post ( because he didnt get his paper work the way that he wanted) and you people who really dont know squat about boas! thats the bottom line and you 2 old crows can attack me and try to imply that i have no clue as to what i am talking about thats just fine anyone who has delt with me in the past knows different go ahead do a search of my name find something that i did incorrectly when dealing with a customer. brendan has been unfairly targeted in this post as anyone who has eyes and actually knows what they are talking about can very well see the animal arrived alive and 100% healthy this post was not started untill well after 1 month of recieving the animal the only reason this post was even started was becuase the buyer decided to throw a temper tantrum those are the facts see them if you want ignore them if you must put me down all you people want thats just great it takes attention away from brendan who has been unfairly targeted buy this post i for one will continue to do business with him as will a score of others who can see this post for what it truely is oh and one more thing robin maybe we should put one of them bags over your head? do you think it may shut you up? doubtful . you ladies wanna feel bad for some creatures? feel bad for your husbands for haveing to deal with you 2 know it alls on a daily basis cause i sure as hell do !!!

 

[Peruvianfanatic]

I think that about sums this thread up.Nicely said John!!!

Mike Wampole
www.boafanatic.com

 

[Ken Harbart]

I think that about sums this thread up.Nicely said John!!!

Mike Wampole
www.boafanatic.com

No. It's not nicely said. John and Robin just found themselves on the receiving end of some warning points for their behavior today. This thread will retain some semblance of civility. Quips about cleaning people's underwear, profanity, and feeling sorry for womens' husbands are not welcome. If it comes down to me having to give people the boot because they are too immature to carry on a rational debate, I have no problem with that.

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

oh and i guess you compareing brendan to sadam in one of your earlier posts is mature and civil huh? practice what you preach man

 

[KelliH]

as for your and kelley's advanced knowledge of boas ? yeah rigggght! i highly doubt it

LMAO, the correct spelling of my name is Kelli. I do know a little about boas, yep.

have you recieved animals in this nature? no?

Umm, no and if I did you can bet I would express my displeasure about it. It's an unprofessional way to ship a reptile, PERIOD.

and kelly i highly doubt that you know more about boas than i do although anything is possible

Yes John, anything is possible, you're correct. And I'm sure you would be surprised at my knowledge of Boa constrictor and reptiles in general.

i too have taken care of bearded dragons and geckos as well as the colony of feeders that go with them and while i must admit it is a task it by no way qualifies you people to even say a word about boas

You are correct and I never said it did.

the way you two are attempting to bash brendan whos credentials in this business speak for themselves it seems like the only people who have anything bad to say about brendan are the guy who started this post ( because he didnt get his paper work the way that he wanted) and you people who really dont know squat about boas!

Bashing? Hardly! I was actually irritated at your comment regarding leopard gecko breeders. Also I was simply stating that the way the boa was shipped by Brendan was unprofessional. WHich it is! And as far as me not knowing squat about boas? Already covered that. As far as Brendans credentials in the business, that's fine and good. If he plans on keeping his good name I would suggest he spend the extra time and money and ship his snakes in a more professional manner. And I am sure he will.

whos credentials in this business speak for themselves

I have "credentials in the business" also. And you?

and you people who really dont know squat about boas!

blah blah blah, uh huhhh.

and you 2 old crows can attack me

Old crows? LMFAO! How original! I'm sure that took a lot of thought, coming up with that.

attack me and try to imply that i have no clue as to what i am talking about thats just fine anyone who has delt with me in the past knows different go ahead do a search of my name find something that i did incorrectly when dealing with a customer.

OK, I apologize if you feel you are being attacked. I was not attacking anyone, I was defending what you implied about leopard gecko and bearded dragon "people". I must say what you said would be more of an attack than what I said. Jeez!

Also I NEVER said you did anything incorrectly when dealing with a customer, now did I?

feel bad for your husbands for haveing to deal with you 2 know it alls on a daily basis cause i sure as hell do !!!

Hahahahaha! Sorry to burst your bubble but my husband loves and cherishes me, and appreciates my honesty and the fact that I am not afraid to publically state what I feel is the right thing. I feel the same way about him. So waste any more time feeling sorry for Steve, I am sure he would tell you that he is the luckiest man in the world, just like I think I am the luckiest girl in the world to have him. John, if you knew half of what you think you know about me you would be pretty embarrased right now. Or you oughta be! Some advice: try discussing topics like this in a civil manner. Name calling and the like only makes you seem immature and hot headed. Best of luck with your snakes-
KH

 

[robin d.]

1. brendan refuses to come on here simply because of people like you who have nothing better to do than to come on here and make themselves out to be better than someone.

i do not think i am better than anyone else
, however apparantly you think you are

HOW MANY ANIMALS HAVE YOU EITHER SHIPPED POT OR RECIEVED? I FOR ONE NUMBER IN THE HUNDREDS IN BOTH CATAGORIES

but i do have the experience and knopwledge of what is considered an acceptable packing/shipping job, i assume brendan doesnt want to come back because knows he is wrong in the shipping method... and well his complaceint attitude about it. speaks volumes

the bottom line of it all is that they guy was happy with his animal untill the paper work wasnt to his likeing,

professionalism isending the acceptable paperwork with a well shipped and packages animal.

as for your and kelley's advanced knowledge of boas ? yeah rigggght! i highly doubt it if you did know anything about boas you would know that the animal was never in any danger at all .

LMAOOOO... i have about seven years, kelli has way over ten and her husband has nearly 30 years

im sure brendan as well as my self have forgottem more about boas than either of you two will ever know combined

LMAOOOOOOO...... thats funny but ok go on your funny and fun.

oh and one more thing robin maybe we should put one of them bags over your head? do you think it may shut you up?

most likely kill me

hence the reason i would never ship an animal in this way......
personally with this statement you have made the whole point of the post you moron.

 

[robin d.]

Old crows? LMFAO! How original! I'm sure that took a lot of thought, coming up with that.

darn kelli, i dont know about you but ima old crow and maybe ill go outside in my tocker with my cats my geckos stuck to my glassses and boas slithering around my feet with a "berm" hahaha around my neck whilist i go and smoke..... either that or sit on the can and play electronic yatzee and smoke... either way ima just an old crow

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

You know what robin i've said everthing that i have to say concerning this post sitting here lowering myself to your standards you obviously have way too much time on your hands as for the calling me a moron so much for keeping it civil and mature i have been guilty on this post of flying off the handle and i wont do it again so no i wont comment on your lack of knowledge in the boa department and no i wont call you any more names enjoy your life and enjoy your warning points . i'll let the facts stand for themselves . the fact is the buyer only made shipping a issue after he was not satisfied with the paper work he recieved for the animal( a receipt signed by the breeder). he did not once bring it to brendans attention that he was not happy with the shipping method until after that fact . so obviously the shipping method was not a major concern to him prior countless people have come on here to vouch for brendans character. also let me ask you if it was such a big deal with the shipping and paper work why didnt the buyer simply ask brendan to take the animal back for a refund. or even mention something to brendan for that matter??? those are the facts take and do with them what you will im done here
John Peraza

 

[robin d.]

im done here

... and the crowd goes wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:scatter:

 

[DarksideBoas]

Brendan

Brendan is like a brother to me. But I do feel bad for him in one regard.

I would HATE to have Jon Peraza trying to help ME out on these forums.

PS. Jon

You're actually making it worse for Brendan.

**Yawns

 

[Ken Harbart]

oh and i guess you compareing brendan to sadam in one of your earlier posts is mature and civil huh? practice what you preach man

1) Brendan was not compared to Saddam. The people who are claiming he did no wrong were compared to Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf. Sahaf, if you'll remember, was the Iraqi Information Minister who amused us all with his comical sense of denial.

Plain and simple, Brendan showed poor judgement in the way that snake was packaged. To deny that is nonsensical. One just does not ship live animals in plastic bags, m'kay?

Does it make Brendan a bad guy? No. However, the conduct of those trying to justify his lapse in judgement as being perfectly acceptable and rabidly attacking anyone who says otherwise certainly isn't doing him any favors. This thread could've been over about ten pages ago had Brendan simply stated that he screwed up, and will ship properly in the future.

One final thought... the attack on Kelli was weak at best. Had you done your homework, you'd know that the Hammacks have definitely shipped and received more snakes than you, and that Steve Hammack has been doing this since before you were in kindergarten. I would also venture to say that Dave & Tracy Barker would vouch for Steve & Kelli's considerable experience and knowledge.

Now then, are we all done acting like a bunch of children?

 

[Double "D" Reptiles]

John questioning Kelli's knowledge?

Geez, talk about not paying any attention to the whole picture. John, I'd suggest that you give these points some thoughts. And just to let everyone know, I've never met Kelli nor her husband, Stephen (think I spelled that one right.) However, I do hope to meet them soon at a show.

1. You don't live with someone of Mr. Hammock's background for long without picking up "a little bit" of knowledge.

2. Anyone who has the sand to question Stephen's knowledge of reptiles or his background obviously has done 0 "ZERO", absolutely NO!, research and is likely not well versed in the whole realm of reptiles, herpetology or herpetoculture.

3. Before throwing barbs at Kelli, or anyone else for that matter, people should do a little background checking to see the whole picture. It would be like somebody who's never had reason to event think about corn snakes (or ever heard of Serpenco) hear Rich Z. give advice or, say, kingsnakes, fox snakes r maybe bearded dragons, and say that he doesn't know anything and that he should just go back and sit on the porch. They'd be suprised at just what he really does know.

4. Even though they let things get a tiny bit wild once in a while, the moderators really do pay attention (as has already been proven.)

So, before things get out of hand, check backgrounds and take a long look at the "whole" picture. I just still find it hard to believe that this thread, or someone like John responding in it, degenerated to this level.

Enough said, so I'll just close for now and go quietly on my way for now.

David Jobes

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

great lets make this about me keep em coming people


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Anyone who has the sand to question Stephen's knowledge of reptiles or his background obviously has done 0 "ZERO", absolutely NO!, research and is likely not well versed in the whole realm of reptiles, herpetology or herpetoculture
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uhmmm maybe i missed something but i dont remember ever questioning steves knowledge
and the only reason i even mentioned anything to his wife is because she came on here all defensive so i got offensive . i shot off without engageing my brain and for that i apoligies you people want to make this post about me fine go right ahead as far as im concerned brendan is about as good as they come he shipped a animal in a method that is not the way most of us ship but maybe we should look and examine his shipping method more carefully before we go condeming it . i have receieved plenty of packeages where everything was don corectly and the snake arrived stressed as hell this was not the case when i recieved my animal from brendan useing this method . this has been said time and time again but i'll say it one more time if the buyer was so concerned about brendans shipping method why didnt he ever mention it to him? why didnt he even ask how the animal was being shipped? personally i have bought several animals from brendan and i have a few more on hold right now and plan to purchase more the animal arrived alive and healthy im sure that after this mess brendan wont ship useing this method again let it rest no harm no foul kelli once again im sorry for disrespecting you
good night all
John PERAZA

 

[Ken Harbart]

This one's run its course, so I'm locking it.