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What ? Look at your last line, that I bolded. You have confused the companies voluntary policies with what the customer has voluntarily requested, and paid for. I'll tell you what slick, you show me any company anywhere that has a specific stated policy that says "we will ship to the customer's wishes" ? Point being, that unless they state such, it is your point that they will ignore the customer's directions !! What they do is ship to what the customer pays for !!

They explain their policies and TOS, and then the customer chooses !! There was a chance that teh insects could have arrived just fine. And a chance not. The customer made that choice. Being not very bright is no excuse.

I'm not trying to be slick at all. I thought that the policy is there to protect the consumer, the company and the product and that was why it is published.

I do apologize; I totally missed where she indicated that she wanted them shipped on Thursday regardless of the shipping policy.

Like I stated before, when I have ordered from a company that has a cutoff for shipping, that company holds my order until the next shipping date. However, I have never told a company to bypass their policies. To me, rules are rules. Especially when dealing with living things, even feeders.

Now since you called me "slick"...Yes, Jim, if I order a chameleon from you and want you to ignore your TOS, and ship it to me during a record cold spell here in Florida...please, please, please, ignore my directions! :yesnod: Sometimes we are responsible for calling the customer on their nonsense.

Lora
 
I looked at their page and the chart they have says that Fedex two day shipping will not be shipped on Thursdays. If they ship it on Thursday then they are not following what their website says. If she directly asked for it then clearly the customer made a mistake and took things into her own hands, but I know that when I sell a snake I make sure that it will get there alive, which sometimes means holding it if weather gets to bad even if the customer asks for me to ship any way.
 
They don't say that they don't ship Thursday. It lays out conditions under which they guarantee Thursday shipments. If someone request, and pays for, a shipment outside of the normal recommended realm, why is it upon Georgia Crickets to modify their TOS ? There was a chance the insects would have made it OK. And a chance not. The customer took on that risk, in the belief that requesting "extra heat packs" would insure live delivery during a brutal cold wave.

You are right, and I am wrong! I stand very humbly corrected!!

"All guaranteed shipments will be released to shipping only if the package can avoid the weekend wait."

The above is exactly how the site reads, which makes Jim correct. They will ship it, just not guarantee it.

I am very sorry for adding my two cents to this thread, which ended up being worthless due to my lack of reading comprehension.

Guess I've been lucky to have had feeder shipments held and will pay more attention in the future!
 

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Irregardless if she picked next day or 2nd day, her product perished and she will get her money back one way or another.

Goes same way when purchasing supplies and others, you want cheapest shipping, and sometimes it gets lost or damaged....

If the seller wont guarantee the crickets dont offer a service other then one for a guarantee and you wont have this headache anymore.
 
I disagree. In my opinion, there was NO chance whatsoever that those crickets would have arrived alive even if they showed up on Saturday.

http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/USMA0404

Rich,
Hindsight is 20-20. As for what can and cannot be shipped in this weather, with proper heat packs, I would beg to differ. Again, I did not claim that they would necessarily survive. Hae you never worked with 72 hour heat packs Rich ? I have a box of them on my shelf from Superior. Check it out Rich.

You have shipping experience. As I have shipped over 20,000 in my day, so do I.

Congrats on hindsight Rich. Unfortunately, you don't get such when you ship. Meanwhile, their TOS clearly outlined what was guaranteed, and what was not. The customer opted for "not".
 
Irregardless if she picked next day or 2nd day, her product perished and she will get her money back one way or another.

Goes same way when purchasing supplies and others, you want cheapest shipping, and sometimes it gets lost or damaged....

If the seller wont guarantee the crickets dont offer a service other then one for a guarantee and you wont have this headache anymore.

What ? Show me where FedEx, or her credit card company, or anyone else, assures a "refund" for perishables ?

If you had any knowledge whatsoever of the business, you can read numerous TOS that list conditions under which live arrival is not guaranteed. The customer chose such.
 
What ? Show me where FedEx, or her credit card company, or anyone else, assures a "refund" for perishables ?

If you had any knowledge whatsoever of the business, you can read numerous TOS that list conditions under which live arrival is not guaranteed. The customer chose such.

You can't be serious right. Banks dont care what it was, if it arrived damaged and or not as described they WILL refund the money if seller/company refuses to rectify the situation.


And nice pot shot on having no knowledge, that was funny thanks for that!:rofl:
 
You can't be serious right. Banks dont care what it was, if it arrived damaged and or not as described they WILL refund the money if seller/company refuses to rectify the situation.


And nice pot shot on having no knowledge, that was funny thanks for that!:rofl:

Good grief ! You are unfamiliar with how banks and credit cards work. According to you, if an "perishable" arrives as "perished", the bank will automatically side with the buyer ?

What is the point of the term "perishable" then ? Have you read the TOS for such as FedEx or UPS regarding such ?

Same old BOI. So many folks with no clue.
 
Good grief ! You are unfamiliar with how banks and credit cards work. According to you, if an "perishable" arrives as "perished", the bank will automatically side with the buyer ?

What is the point of the term "perishable" then ? Have you read the TOS for such as FedEx or UPS regarding such ?

Same old BOI. So many folks with no clue.

Considering i ship perishables and others on a daily basis i do know how it works.

Ive had perishables arrive 100% thawed out due to sellers fault not using enough dry ice. Guess what, entire order refunded at the had of my bank! I dont lose money, i will never accept ordering something then allowing it to be compromised and be out that money.
 
Rich,
Hindsight is 20-20. As for what can and cannot be shipped in this weather, with proper heat packs, I would beg to differ. Again, I did not claim that they would necessarily survive. Hae you never worked with 72 hour heat packs Rich ? I have a box of them on my shelf from Superior. Check it out Rich.

You have shipping experience. As I have shipped over 20,000 in my day, so do I.

Congrats on hindsight Rich. Unfortunately, you don't get such when you ship. Meanwhile, their TOS clearly outlined what was guaranteed, and what was not. The customer opted for "not".

It wasn't hindsight concerning the temperatures when those crickets were ordered on Thursday. It is extremely doubtful that the OP didn't know what the temperatures were like outside. And one would assume that the OP would have been aware of the forecast over the next couple of days. How long does someone have to live in MA to know what temperatures are like there in January?

Surely you avail yourself of weather FORECASTS when you ship, don't you? That has nothing to do with hindsight, that is prudent use of available resources for your business decisions.

Yes, I've shipped my share of animals, and I would not ship if the overnight lows at the destination was going to be below 32 degrees. People didn't like that? Tough. They were MY animals till they got into THEIR hands. Regardless of heat pack and insulation I just would not ship during cold temperatures. Insulation only slows down temperature transfer through the medium. Heat packs can only generate so much heat without being so hot inside the box to negate extreme cold temperatures outside the box that they cook the animals inside. I did a LOT of testing with heat packs so I would know their capabilities before I ever shipped my first animal that way. Plus heat packs utilize oxygen to generate heat, and in a closed container with animals that NEED that oxygen to survive, the heat packs themselves can kill if they take the upper hand with the oxygen supply. Yeah, you can put holes in the side of the box so there is some airflow, but at those cold temps, that air coming in is going to be COLD air, which kind of defeats the purpose of the insulation and heat packs.

Quite frankly, in my opinion again, it was a poor choice and unwise decision on the OP to even choose to have crickets shipped at those temps to that part of the country. But to be fair, the cricket company HAD to have known that there was no chance in hell those crickets were going to show up alive at the destination. They SHOULD have just refused to ship. But yes, to some companies, the customer is ALWAYS right, even if that customer is making an obvious mistake.
 
You can't be serious right. Banks dont care what it was, if it arrived damaged and or not as described they WILL refund the money if seller/company refuses to rectify the situation.

I agree. I had a bushel of steamed blue crabs sent to me from a Maryland based company through Amazon. The crabs were pure inedible garbage and I threw the entire lot of them into the woods when the company declined to take them back when I contacted them about it. Neither that company nor Amazon would stand behind me to refund my money. So I disputed the charge with my credit card company and they filed a chargeback for the money I paid. All that mattered was that the quality of the merchandise was unacceptable to ME, the purchaser. I sent them copies of the entire discussion and they knew that the merchandise was perishable by nature. That was irrelevant in the decision making. Even with perishable items, there is still the expectation of acceptable quality and suitability for the advertised use it is intended for upon receipt.

So yes, if the OP files for a disputed charged on the credit card statement claiming unacceptable quality of the received goods, I believe the credit card company will likely perform a chargeback regardless of the type of merchandise. And quite likely regardless of the policies of the cricket company as well.
 
Sorry, but Lucille, Noelle and Jim have indeed nailed it.

I actually spent time researching weather conditions in both Spencer, MA and Winder, GA at the time the OP ordered, Thursday 1-2-14, until the shipment was delivered on 1-7-14.
(And how freakin' lame is that? LOL)

When the OP placed the order, on Thursday 1-3-14, the temps in Spencer, MA were a high of 17 and low of -2 (you can check wunderground.com, accuweather.com and weather.com)

Temps in winder, Ga were higer, but the whole nation was aware a severe, unprecidented cold front was moving in, even to the south. Anyone ordering or shipping live frieght shoud have/would have been paying attention!

The OP had a limited buget, so did not pay for overnight shipping .. I get it. I'm there, during the temporate spring, summer months ... but not during the coldest month ever recorded!

I also know as someone who has ordered live animals and feeders for years and years (as the OP stated she had), reputable and reliable vendors generally DO NOT ever ship on Thursdays unless you are willing to pay the extra costs of a weekend delivery, the possibility of a delay and the possilbilty a DOA ... and that's only during warm/summer months.

The OP did not pay extra to ensure overnight delivery, even knowing what the weather conditions were right outside her window.

I also have never requested or expected a vendor/seller to call me. If the OP wanted an order held or delayed, then she should have called herself, not waited for the seller to call her and then try to pass blame.

Vendor/shipper had no control over the weather and her order.

The consumer/buyer needs to bear responsibility where budget, time and Mother Nature all conflict.

Disclaimer: I do not know the OP nor have I EVER done business with Georgia/Premium Cricket. I have my own colonies.

All that said .. GA/Premium Cricket, where are you truly located? You have a 234 area code that is not definitely Georgia.
 
I have been doing business with them for several years. They e-mailed me to let me know that it was too cold too ship, but I buy them online? They sent a weather bulletin the they not resuming shipping until the 8th.
 
In case I didn't make myself clear I was at fault for the shipping and I have ordered on everyday of the week from them and shipping has always been 2 days... ALWAYS. Yes again my fault. I feel the company should at least WANT to help in some small way or at least return a phone call... Maybe not replace the whole order but SOMETHING, ANYTHING.
 
In case I didn't make myself clear I was at fault for the shipping

Maybe not replace the whole order but SOMETHING, ANYTHING.

I think if they did something for you, others might feel as if they should do something for them when they gambled on shipping choices and lost.

I don't want to seem harsh, I sympathize with the costs of overnight shipping.
But cricket sellers have to pay for the crickets, a warehouse, people to ship, special cricket containers, business expenses, and so on plus the replacing of the shipments that they do guarantee, if something goes wrong.

My gut feeling is that cricket selling is not a high profit enterprise and if they start underwriting losses which were not covered in their guarantee they would not last long, because no rational buyer would pay the extra price for overnight shipping if they knew the cricket company would cover their losses from cheaper shipping.

As I mentioned before perhaps you could get a mealworm/roach tub going, it is easy and cheap, just for the times you can't order crickets.
 
It wasn't hindsight concerning the temperatures when those crickets were ordered on Thursday. It is extremely doubtful that the OP didn't know what the temperatures were like outside. And one would assume that the OP would have been aware of the forecast over the next couple of days. How long does someone have to live in MA to know what temperatures are like there in January?

Surely you avail yourself of weather FORECASTS when you ship, don't you? That has nothing to do with hindsight, that is prudent use of available resources for your business decisions.

Yes, I've shipped my share of animals, and I would not ship if the overnight lows at the destination was going to be below 32 degrees. People didn't like that? Tough. They were MY animals till they got into THEIR hands. Regardless of heat pack and insulation I just would not ship during cold temperatures. Insulation only slows down temperature transfer through the medium. Heat packs can only generate so much heat without being so hot inside the box to negate extreme cold temperatures outside the box that they cook the animals inside. I did a LOT of testing with heat packs so I would know their capabilities before I ever shipped my first animal that way. Plus heat packs utilize oxygen to generate heat, and in a closed container with animals that NEED that oxygen to survive, the heat packs themselves can kill if they take the upper hand with the oxygen supply. Yeah, you can put holes in the side of the box so there is some airflow, but at those cold temps, that air coming in is going to be COLD air, which kind of defeats the purpose of the insulation and heat packs.

Quite frankly, in my opinion again, it was a poor choice and unwise decision on the OP to even choose to have crickets shipped at those temps to that part of the country. But to be fair, the cricket company HAD to have known that there was no chance in hell those crickets were going to show up alive at the destination. They SHOULD have just refused to ship. But yes, to some companies, the customer is ALWAYS right, even if that customer is making an obvious mistake.

On this, we agree. My point was that perhaps the customer had some basis to believe that they would still arrive OK, although the risk that they would not is huge.

Regarding all the talk of charge-backs, etc., let me first note to all here who do not deal with shipped insects, and especially crickets, that I do not believe there is a cricket company out there that guarantees beyond next-day delivery. That may be either of:

1) Next Day Air or Priority Overnight, depending on carrier; or,

2) The customer is within one-day Ground radius.

Rich, you mention the crabs you received. The question would be whether or not they were shipped as per the TOS. If a company agrees to ship you fresh crabs, I assume that the means of shipping is outlined. Pay to have it shipped this way and you will get fresh crabs. Anyone who ships perishables understands that they have some sort of contract to have a viable product delivered as expected.

However, in this instance with the crickets and superworms, the buyer opted for a less expensive form of shipping, that specifically waives a live-arrival guarantee. Frankly, I would be surprised if a charge-back was honored as such. If that were the case, then imagine what it would do to the cricket business ? They would have to curtail non-guaranteed shipping, lest they constantly face frivolous charge-backs.

To a point raised by another, a good vendor will make it quite clear when a shipment is not guaranteed. Whether because of a 2-day delivery option chosen, or bad weather, etc. For instance, in my case, we typically guarantee everything that we ship. However, if the customer requests such as a Saturday delivery, we only guarantee it providing it is delivered on Saturday. Whereas we guarantee all weekday Mon-Thu shipments, even if there is carrier error or delay, as we then expect the shipment to be only one day late, with a missed Saturday delivery, the shipment defaults two days, to Monday.

Probably already mentioned, but as the customer seemed to expect a Saturday delivery, that was not going to happen. Saturday deliveries are a unique category of shipping with both FedEx and UPS. For instance, if one ships on a Friday via such as UPS Next Day Air, it is going to be delivered on Monday. One must choose "Saturday delivery", and pay a premium, usually $15-20, to then have Saturday delivery.
 
Considering i ship perishables and others on a daily basis i do know how it works.

Ive had perishables arrive 100% thawed out due to sellers fault not using enough dry ice. Guess what, entire order refunded at the had of my bank! I dont lose money, i will never accept ordering something then allowing it to be compromised and be out that money.

Yes, but that is not parallel to what happened here. You, as the customer, did not choose a means of shipping that was specifically noted as then forfeiting the perishable guarantee. You did not choose the "less dry ice, but no guarantee" option, in the hope of saving some money. I doubt there is such an option, but perhaps some can see the point.
 
On this, we agree. My point was that perhaps the customer had some basis to believe that they would still arrive OK, although the risk that they would not is huge.

Regarding all the talk of charge-backs, etc., let me first note to all here who do not deal with shipped insects, and especially crickets, that I do not believe there is a cricket company out there that guarantees beyond next-day delivery. That may be either of:

1) Next Day Air or Priority Overnight, depending on carrier; or,

2) The customer is within one-day Ground radius.

Rich, you mention the crabs you received. The question would be whether or not they were shipped as per the TOS. If a company agrees to ship you fresh crabs, I assume that the means of shipping is outlined. Pay to have it shipped this way and you will get fresh crabs. Anyone who ships perishables understands that they have some sort of contract to have a viable product delivered as expected.

However, in this instance with the crickets and superworms, the buyer opted for a less expensive form of shipping, that specifically waives a live-arrival guarantee. Frankly, I would be surprised if a charge-back was honored as such. If that were the case, then imagine what it would do to the cricket business ? They would have to curtail non-guaranteed shipping, lest they constantly face frivolous charge-backs.

To a point raised by another, a good vendor will make it quite clear when a shipment is not guaranteed. Whether because of a 2-day delivery option chosen, or bad weather, etc. For instance, in my case, we typically guarantee everything that we ship. However, if the customer requests such as a Saturday delivery, we only guarantee it providing it is delivered on Saturday. Whereas we guarantee all weekday Mon-Thu shipments, even if there is carrier error or delay, as we then expect the shipment to be only one day late, with a missed Saturday delivery, the shipment defaults two days, to Monday.

Probably already mentioned, but as the customer seemed to expect a Saturday delivery, that was not going to happen. Saturday deliveries are a unique category of shipping with both FedEx and UPS. For instance, if one ships on a Friday via such as UPS Next Day Air, it is going to be delivered on Monday. One must choose "Saturday delivery", and pay a premium, usually $15-20, to then have Saturday delivery.

Absolutely! It just isn't wise to try to cut corners on shipping live animals or any perishable goods. Especially in the dead of Winter, and also any time that the temperatures are not as close to being perfect all along the transit path as they can be.

In reference to my comment about the steamed blue crabs, yes, I paid for overnight delivery and they were received that way. However they were just not edible, and it had nothing at all to do with spoilage during transit. Anyone who knows steamed crabs knows what "floaters" are, and that's what I got. Not only were they fly-weights, but the taste was just awful. Tasted like they had been soaked in gutter water. I had contacted the seller beforehand and told them what I wanted. HEAVY crabs, which in late August should have been easy to provide. I stressed that I had been born and raised in Maryland, so I KNEW what good crabs are. But they still sent me garbage. Hence the disputed charge with my credit card company. So yes, they WILL back you up even with perishable goods if you can present a compelling argument about your position. In my case, if I do not get what I paid for, I just will not pay for it if at all possible to recover my money.

So, back on topic about the crickets, sorry, but I don't think the cricket company owes the OP a dime. They followed to the letter what the customer had requested and paid for, and appear to have been quite clear about what their responsibilities and guarantees were, and where the limits were of those guarantees. Choosing to ignore them and hope for the best is no defense if "the best" just does not take place. Unfortunate for the OP, but it is what it is. In my opinion choosing to order those live crickets on a Thursday for immediate shipping that day WITHOUT OVERNIGHT SERVICE during a cold spell in a naturally cold section of the country at that time of year was just a very, very unwise decision.
 
I'm not going to try and an advocate either party. I will add in my experience over the past couple of weeks with Georgia Crickets for information's sake.

I usually go to their Winder facility twice a month (sometimes more frequently)to purchase a decent amount of Phoenix worms and dubias from them. The past couple of weeks have been 'off beat' for several reasons. 2 Major holidays a week apart (one of which being THE highest volume shipping period) and a severe weather system that lasted a few days.

They were out of the worms and low on dubias (they usually have a good supply of the various sizes). While it was annoying I did understand that shipping both ways around XMas is always a nightmare and the cold snap didn't help anything.

These guys are in the process of moving to a larger facility and are always at Repticon . I can only imagine the last 2 weeks must have been a nightmare for them.

They really don't strike me as a group/company that doesn't care about customers. They usually are very friendly and personable and typically go out of their way to make me happy. If I were in a position that I felt I was wronged by them I would feel comfortable in bringing it to their attention but I would use tact when doing so.



All that said .. GA/Premium Cricket, where are you truly located? You have a 234 area code that is not definitely Georgia.

Their physical address is the Winder address. It's not too uncommon to maintain an out of state cell number in Georgia. There are a lot of 'transplants' here.

I'm not 100% sure but I think Ga Crickets works in conjunction with Premium Crickets (different location).
 
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