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Bobby Hill;
Your quote

"You bet Rich!! If I have my pants on I am armed, I too have my concealed weapon permit in this state. My MAK 9 is there if needed; I will exercise my right as a law-abiding citizen."


Quote:
Use of Deadly Force for Lawful Self-Defense in Florida

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.



"I will be in Daytona, I would never miss that show."

You CANNOT carry a concealed weapon into The Ocean Center,(where the Daytona Show is held) as per their rules and the state of Florida. (because alcohol is served there).

Check your facts dude before shooting (off your mouth, foot, other people, etc).
 
lanceheads said:
Bobby Hill;
Your quote

"You bet Rich!! If I have my pants on I am armed, I too have my concealed weapon permit in this state. My MAK 9 is there if needed; I will exercise my right as a law-abiding citizen."


Quote:
Use of Deadly Force for Lawful Self-Defense in Florida

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.



"I will be in Daytona, I would never miss that show."

You CANNOT carry a concealed weapon into The Ocean Center,(where the Daytona Show is held) as per their rules and the state of Florida. (because alcohol is served there).

Check your facts dude before shooting (off your mouth, foot, other people, etc).
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Actually Randall you are 100% incorrect. Shown below is the actual excerpt from the statute that applies here:

any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
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Based in the information communicated by the instructors, that means a bar or lounge, plain and simple.

As someone recently said:

Check your facts dude before shooting off your mouth,
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Randal you ignorant slut ....

That's just a figure of speech from a comedy show, BTW.

Keith introduced the stupidity of lethal threats to the thread, joking or otherwise. Others followed with some chest thumping. If any of this had one iota's chance of being anything beyond chutzpah, do you think a beer tap, of beer-by-the-bottle, up in the mezzanine section of the Convention Center, will be a consideration ?

Keith. You have some wit. But the compulsion for stupidity makes you the proverbial "own worst enemy". What a waste of talent.
 
Just cashed out the register for the night.....$1469....Whew....

I've been so busy I didn't even have a chance to check fuana......You wouldn't believe how many I snakes I sold.....Burm and setup, cornsnake and setup, Ball python, etc..etc...One thing that I've obsevered in my 6 years
running a reptile store....is that 99 percent of those that Vendor at Reptile events,run a back room at home,or on the internet only dream of opening a store someday.....Envious little Bastards..........Come on and shoot that one down......I'll Kiss his,(Jim's),yours or any other naked bum of a registered fuana member that can refute that......Kindly submit a Posterior shot for
the record......Please....Please..Jim-O the "Nice Boy" next door.....That's what they always say.....After digging up 25 bodies in your basement....all
most likely little boys....Gacey types.......Hey the Bible says Kill Fags and
Don't eat Pork.....Shalom :dgrin:
 
The Warning Level you see is actually..........

Positive Trader Rating............."We have 3000 centrifuge spinners for peaceful purposes" The Warning Level you see is actually Chameleon Counters IQ Level.....The Warning Level you see is actually the number of
Snakes in my collection... :dgrin:


Hey........I have 182 Warnings with 186 posts thats .9784946 Warnings
per post.....That's a 1/4 of 1% postitive posts....Must improve this number
slightly........
 

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Suncoast Herpetological said:
Actually Randall you are 100% incorrect. Shown below is the actual excerpt from the statute that applies here:



Based in the information communicated by the instructors, that means a bar or lounge, plain and simple.

As someone recently said:
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Thank you John!! :yesnod:
 
For John Schmitt, Jim Flaherty, and others,
I stand by my statement about concealed weapons being disallowed at the Ocean Center where the Daytona Reptile show is held.
Below is an email from the assistant director of the Ocean center.

Dear Mr. Berry,
I researched your question with the Volusia county legal department and they have advised us the answer to your question is no. In accordance with Florida State statues, the only persons allowed to carry a firearm into the Ocean Center is a uniformed public safety officer on duty.


Thanks again,


Kristofer Beatty
Assistant Director
Daytona Beach Ocean Center
(386) 254 - 4500

So, any of you guys that are packing, be aware!

Randal Berry
 
Well Randal Berry, unless they post signs as to this request. Than we would be within our legal right.

Thats the law. ;)
 
Mr. Hill,
That was the email I recieved today.
If I recall, it is posted on every entry door at the Ocean Center. (except perhaps at the delivery doors)

However, if you are concerned, perhaps you should call the number listed and ask for yourself.
Or, call Wayne and ask him.

Randal Berry
 
lanceheads said:
For John Schmitt, Jim Flaherty, and others,
I stand by my statement about concealed weapons being disallowed at the Ocean Center where the Daytona Reptile show is held.
Below is an email from the assistant director of the Ocean center.

Dear Mr. Berry,
I researched your question with the Volusia county legal department and they have advised us the answer to your question is no. In accordance with Florida State statues, the only persons allowed to carry a firearm into the Ocean Center is a uniformed public safety officer on duty.


Thanks again,


Kristofer Beatty
Assistant Director
Daytona Beach Ocean Center
(386) 254 - 4500

So, any of you guys that are packing, be aware!

Randal Berry
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The email is all well and good, but bears no legal validity whatsoever. It is perfectly legal to ccw in the Ocean Center, regardless of what you have been told by a misinformed employee. Florida firearms law is an area of special interest to me, and I am well-versed in both the statutes and case law.

As John had correctly pointed out, only those portions of an establishment primarily devoted to the consumption of alcohol for consumption on premises would be off-limits. The entire establishment itself would not be, however. For instance, one would be perfectly legal to ccw in Applebees, despite the fact that they serve alcohol, so long as the patron does not sit in the bar area. The same holds true for the Ocean Center- so long as a legally armed individual stays out of only those areas devoted to the sale of alcohol for consumption on premises. The only time the Ocean Center itself would be off limits is when the Daytona Beach Thunder are playing a game.

Likewise, even if the Center is posted with a generic "no weapons" sign, one could legally carry there in most circumstances as such signs do not carry the force of law in Florida.

That Volusia County would provide Mr. Beatty with erroneous information comes as no surprise to me. I've had to educate VCSO deputies on more than one occasion regarding Chapter 790. Their favorite bit of misinformation seems to be the fictional "three step rule" regarding vehicle carry. They would lead one to believe that it is illegal, without a cwl, to carry a loaded firearm in the unlocked glove box of your vehicle. Instead, they claim that there must be "three steps" for you to get to the weapon. This flies in the face of the applicable statute.

That you were not provided with a cite by Mr. Beatty should be very telling. Indeed, they would prefer that one not carry, but the claim as to legality is a work of pure fiction.
 
Mmm, the O.K. Corral. Herp style.

I can see Judge Mills Lane saying "Let's get it on" and a bell ringing. Hopefully no biting of ears is involved.
 

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Exactly Ken!! :iagree:

Randal, did you ask them what they thought about death threats? I bet you did not add that part to your email. :rolleyes:

As for the O.K. Corral and the parking lot, that is just too funny!!! The real funny part is Keith bringing a Syringe to a gun fight, LMAO!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
r. Hill,
No, I did not ask them about death threats.
I asked them about carrying a concealed weapon into the Ocean Center.
Everyone saw the reply I recieved.

The contact name/number is on there and you can call and verify if you want. I only asked them the question.

As far as the "shootout" in the parking lot, well...the guns will win! LOL!
However Mr. Hill, you and others say you never leave home without a weapon, I would suggest you call Wayne Hill and ask HIM if it's cool to carry a weapon into HIS show.

I know as a promoter, when you rent a facility for a weekend, you get to make your own rules to fit your own show.
Maybe Wayne allows concealed weapons in his show. But,, I doubt it.

Randal
 
Mr Berry, you can call Wal-Mart, I am sure they will tell you the exact same thing. This matters little as long as you are within the law.

One more time, just in case you missed it. It is legal, I hold a permit, case closed. :thumbsup:
 
Bobby, the man who pays the rent, NOT the man who enforces the law, says not to bring your guy because it isn't legal. SO, therefore, it must NOT be legal.....LOL

I smell a maroon.
 
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