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Bad Guy BEWARE!!! Joel Wateres "naturalsunmiami" on chamforums PLEASE READ!!!

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I sold an ambilobe cham to this buyer Joel wateres "naturalsunmiami" through chameleon forums. I know he has an account here also but do not remember his user name. Since chameleon forums does not have a BOI maybe I can save someone some money and trouble so here it goes.

After payment was received from him I shipped out next day air express through my local fedex like I have done numerous times. Well the next day comes and there was a delay in shipping on there part obviously so we are both freaked out and I tell the buyer there is nothing I can do to get this animal there on time if it was delayed but I will REFUND his money if the cham does not make it.

Well thank god I packed and insulated well because he made it and we were both relieved. The buyer Joel sent me a text later saying hes not eating and I replied its normal due to stress of shipping might take a few days.

Well to my surprise I get an email later that day saying he filed a paypal claim against me. I text him and he says sorry but he is having his friend who is a vet come to his house to perform a chiropractic maneuver on the chameleons leg because it was stiff and this along with the visit might cost him money.

I was pissed at this point but I knew where it was going I could tell he was just looking for money so I replied to the paypal claim and showed pics that he sent me of the cham alive and well at his house as well as the shady messages about his friend. He also tried to say I mislabeled the box which had big fluorecent writing live harmless animal and holes drilled all around and that was the reason for the fedex delay umm no, I already received a complete refund by fedex.

Well I WON the case, everything was dropped. You would think its done right??? Wrong, so then Joel wateres files a charge back with paypal about unauthorized transaction or something to that nature so he can try this way to get a refund. This guy is a complete dirtbag and fraud.

Anyway I know this was long sorry, but wanted to share my experience and inform everyone about this scum.
 
To help with your case would post screen shots from PayPal regarding his claim and the result and the pictures he sent you.

Have you notified him of this thread?
 
Yes I told him I was starting a thread about this transaction and can not believe he filed a charge back for unauthorized transaction after Paypal sided with me on his dispute.
 
Also be advised this thread is in no way a poor me thread I am pretty sure paypal will take care of it as I already sent them the pics of the cham at the buyers house and the messages about the so called friend vet he had. He also told me he was going to drop the claim the same day he opened it but there was an emergency at work so he couldn't. well he never did but paypal did for me.

This thread is just to warn people about this guy.
 
You will be contacted - just make sure you present the previous claim along with your other info.
 
Oh I guess I received an infraction I shouldnt have called him a dirt bag. OKay this upstanding honest member did this. I would edit the thread if i could sorry.
 
PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pics of the cham at his house in florida and messages from him saying the chams doing great and his buddy the "vet" adjusted him. Also him saying theres no wron doing hes going to remove the claim. he never did paypal sided with me.
 

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Oh I guess I received an infraction I shouldnt have called him a dirt bag. OKay this upstanding honest member did this. I would edit the thread if i could sorry.

Why bring up your infraction in this thread? Is it relevant to the situation?

And, since you felt a sarcastic response was in order, here's mine - It isn't as if this was the first time you got that infraction...not our fault you're a slow learner
 
Hmmm - not sure how I managed that - the whole thing was supposed to be in blue.

Back to the matter at hand - the fact that he filed a fraudulent Unauthorized Transaction claim should be reason for everybody - PayPal included - to steer clear of this guy. What a :censored:
(Make sure you point out that he's already made & lost a claim on this - attempted fraud can put his account in jeopardy)
 
Because I said I should have worded a lil diff and cant edit. Does that bother you? I thought the whole point of the boi is to protect people from the dishonest ones not go after the honest ones for calling a duck, a duck.
 
Well some good news!!! Paypal decided in my favor against this guys chargeback. They sent me an email saying that I won the charge back dispute as well as the original item dispute.

I imagine this guy has to deal with some issues now with his card or PP account. Thanks to those who have PM'd me or gave me some advice along the way. If any of you come across this guy joel wateres do not deal with him.
 
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