Beware Kelly Sharp

[Stardust]

Kelly Sharp aka lizardqueen, are you going to reply?
I would like to know why the big secret on who the breeder was?

 

[Ken Harbart]

Well, I've read just about all that I need to in order to arrive at a reasonable conclusion. If this isn't a scam, then it's one of the flakiest "businesses" that I've seen.

I'm still scratching my head wondering why people throw proof surrogates out there, such as "I've sold to 'big names'" or "this snake came from a 'big breeder' that I cannot name." These statements do nothing to impress.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the seller is unable/unwilling to name the source of this snake, then it should be treated as nothing more than a normal. I don't buy into the farce that "we have to get permission from the person who bred it."

I seem to recall an individual awhile back who touted himself as a 'big breeder', and was peddling normals as hets- I wonder if they came from him.

If it walks like a duck...

 

[LizardQueen]

Hi Everyone,
Ok, here is my side of the story...
First of all, there are some major misunderstandings...I never told Wes that the boa was from a big breeder. I told him that it was from a small local breeder. He never asked about paperwork until after the sale, and i sent him the paperwork i had on the boa. when he said that he was unhappy with the paperwork, i told him that i had purchased hets from big breeders before, and had never received more than a signed receipt, which is what i had been given with this boa.

Wes, i am sorry you are unhappy with the paperwork, but the signed receipt is all that i have ever received with a purchase from any breeder, large or small. it is what i have expected and considered standard with the boas i have purchased.

you already have the breeder's name, and i am trying to contact him by e-mail so i can get back in touch with him and give you his contact info. i am still waiting for a reply from the breeder. i do not have his address or phone number, but as soon as i hear back from him i will pass the info along to you.

thanks,
Kelly Sharp

 

[Wilomn]

Not quite what I was told, but close. I'll wait until wednesday. Then the gloves come off. I am not happy with this, you, or tq. Instead of ignoring or putting me off, you should have communicated with me. Do you remember how amazed I was at the speed with which you got back to me when I first contacted you about this snake? I even commented that no one had EVER replied faster than you. I've got it all. If you can't provide me with verification information then you can send me my money and I'll send you the snake. At this point I'll still pay to have her shipped back to you.

I'd ask if you and alison from upchuck were close and personal friends but, that wouldn't be nice, and I really prefer to be nice.

Wes Pollock

wednesday Sept. 3 2003 by 5 pm pst

then I quit being nice

 

[ms_terese]

Partner or not?

Kelly,

When did you and TQ become partners? Just a few months ago, you offered up a post about animals you bought from him, without mention of it being a partnership.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=58456#post58456

Also, since you gave Wes the receipt from the breeder, can you not just give him, privately, the email you have for the breeder? I'm not really understanding the issue with that.

Additionally, if you said this

if nothing else, i do offer my personal guarantee
that
she is a het...but i will have paperwork for you by the time i ship.

, then you indeed owe Wes proper paperwork for this animal or his money back.

 

[FCReptiles]

What I Know

I have been reading this thread, and Figured I would add my dealings with kelly Sharp. About two months ago(?), Kelly emailed me regarding a pair of tamatave red panther chameleons. She said she was willing to pay for them, but was in the middle of a move, and would not be able to recieve them until the following week. A day or two later she emailed me and had me ship them to her Business partner Tarquin Noone(I should still have the invoice Filed). Through my dealings she seemed very friendly, and the deal went very well. If needed I can get the exact dates of the transaction, and shipment.

Thank you,

Nick Mole
First Choice Reptiles

 

[Wilomn]

My dealings with kelly were nice and smooth as well. Though she did ship USPS the snake arrived and in good shape.

My only problem with kelly is the TOTAL lack of verification of this snakes genetics. The reciept I got is illegible. There is no contact information at all. Basically, it's worthless. I was told I would recieve paper work. I expected verification of the albino heritage. This invoice did NOT provide that.

If she would give me the contact information I would be happy to get in touch with the person who originally bred the animal to verify. If she could get this person to provide some sort of proof that had anything on it other that a scribbled name, price, and the words het for albino written on itl, I may be satisfied.

All I want is verification that this very nice snake is carrying the albino gene. That's it.

It makes no difference to me whether or not she was on vacation, moving, or called out of town for work, all of which I've heard. All I want is acceptable proof or my money back. I think that's more than reasonable of me.

Wes Pollock

 

[geckosunlimited]

funny

I find it rather amusing that her partner's last name is No one (Noone) . Did any of you guys notice that. Just thought I would point it out.

 

[Wilomn]

Doggone it Nathan, I did notice that but was saving just in case I don't get contact info by 5 pm tonight. Shucks even.

Wes Pollock

 

[ms_terese]

Since there's a thread on Tarquin, with several people posting to it, I doubt he's fictional

 

[Wilomn]

kelly, it's a quarter to four and I still haven't heard from you. I sure would like that contact info or acceptable proof of genetics. Please come through on this.

Wes Pollock

 

[Wilomn]

kelly sharp sold me a het for albino boa that may well be a normal
From: "kelly sharp" | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Message about : 100% HET ALBINO PACKAGE DEAL-PICS-
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:12:19 -0600




Hi Wes,
Thanks...
i don't have pics of the adults breeding, and i just moved 800 miles
here to
oregon last weekend, so i am hunting for the paperwork on her. i did
get her
from a reputable breeder of albino boas, and i am contacting the
breeder
this weekend just in case i don't find the paperwork right away, so he
can
verify it for you. if nothing else, i do offer my personal guarantee
that
she is a het...but i will have paperwork for you by the time i ship.

kelly did not send the paperwork until almost three weeks later. If I attached the image correctly you can see that it is not good. No phone number, no website, no email address, basically worthless. It is in the condition I recieved it in.

No, I did not ask about verification until the day I sent the money order out, however, I was very specific as to what I was looking for. She promised verification and this is not acceptable.

I did not get this invoice until I asked her for it, several times, I believe.

I now have absolutely no confidence in this animals genetics.

I would either like a refund plus shipping costs to get the animal back to kelly, and I ship UPS, not USPS, or contact information for the breeder. I don't have any idea whose line this snake is from, if she is indeed from ANY line at all and I would like to know.

kelly stated before she shipped the snake that she was going to email the breeder for verification if she couldn't find the paperwork. Then she was going to contact him to see if it was ok to give me his contact information. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT kelly?

I am not pleased with this. I, of all people, should know better than to trust. I am really beginnig to think I got burned here. She supposedly sold the other "hets" to big breeders, she likes to throw those two words around, but no one has come forward to say they bought them.

I posted an inquiry about mark wallace, who I think is the breeder, and no one responded.

kelly, please either refund my money plus shipping costs for UPS or give me the contact information that will prove this snakes genetics.

I reckon I should have just put this in this thread to begin with. Also, it's been a couple of hours since I posted anything about kelly and I have heard nothing from her so I guess she's done.

A bad guy in my book. If you're not willing to back up at all a claim for a snakes genetic makeup, when you could if you wanted to, it really smells fishy. We've got Spanish Mackeral here, one of the most pungent of fishes.

Webslave thanks for giving me time to move it over here before deleting it.

Wes Pollock

wilomn has attached this image:

 

[Brian Oakley]

WOW, this is weird. I clicked on a thread regarding the same deal, it had only one post that being the one that Wes put up just before this one. Now I see it along wiht SIX PAGES of stuff regarding this deal. I thought I would coopy and paste the email I sent to him sinse the thread I was trying to respond to was "closed".

Brian Oakley <[email protected]> wrote:
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This is the message:

I just wanted to email you regarding your deal with this Kelly girl/lady. You mentioned in your post that "this is not acceptable", I am thinking you are referring to the invoice she sent you.
Whenever I buy from breeders (granted there are only a few I would buy hets from) they send me an invoice that look/states the same as your does. What is it you are looking for?
I can understand you not feeling comfortable with the situation sense you do not have the info of the breeder, but IMO that does not mean she should have to refund your money. Do not get me wrong, I am not here to jump on you, like I said I DO understand your worries. What if it were to prove out to be a het?
That invoice that states she sent you a het albino boa can be used as a document binding her to her word. IF the time comes that it does not prove out, you can take action then. If I may give you some advice, I would breed her to a albino NOT a het. THis way she cannot come back and blame it on the male het you bred her female het to.
Just a side note, I would have posted this on the BOI, but I see your thread has been closed and no replies can be made to it.
Brian Oakley


This was his response to me

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the advice. All I wanted from her was contact info for the breeder so I could verify the snakes status with the person who produced it. For some reason, which is very suspicious, she will not do this. I offered to let her send me 200.00 and if the snake proved out I would send her back the 200.00 plus a free het. She never replied to the offer, though I made it several times.

I do have an albino male I'm going to breed her to. My problem with her unproven liniage is that if she does not prove out , I am out several thousand dollars, if it's a good size clutch. She won't be covering my losses there. I have explained this to her as well. Still nothing. Since I don't know her, and she has lied to me, I am not willing to simply trust her anymore.

Oh well, we'll see, hopefully, next year.

thanks,
Wes

And my response back to him.........

Wes,
I would buy another female form a REPUTABLE breeder. Breed you rmale to both females this way you are not out any $$.
I hate to sound like an ass, but you asking her to send you $200 until you breed it is something nobody would do. IF she decided to send you the $$ it most likely would be under the terms of you sending the female back. Basically what you are asking her to do is send you a snake for free and you will pay for it if you like the outcome. WHo would do that?
Can I ask how long you have delt with snakes? I ask because these questions are things I ask of people prior to purchasing a snake. On the other hand, like I said in my other email, I only buy form people I KNOW are reputable. In this case (not saying she is not reputable) she is rather unknown......if known at all.
Brian

Just so it can be part of the "record".

I hope it all works out for you Wes.
Brian Oakley

 

[Wilomn]

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "wes pollock" <[email protected]> | This is spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: RE:
To: "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]>




I paid 300.00 for the snake. A normal is worth 100.00. I was trying to be fair. If you read the post you will see that I did ask for verification on the same day I sent the money order.
thanks for the input though,
Wes
Brian Oakley <[email protected]> wrote:
Wes,
I would buy another female form a REPUTABLE breeder. Breed you rmale to both females this way you are not out any $$.
I hate to sound like an ass, but you asking her to send you $200 until you breed it is something nobody would do. IF she decided to send you the $$ it most likely would be under the terms of you sending the female back. Basically what you are asking her to do is send you a snake for free and you will pay for it if you like the outcome. WHo would do that?
Can I ask how long you have delt with snakes? I ask because these questions are things I ask of people prior to purchasing a snake. On the other hand, like I said in my other email, I only buy form people I KNOW are reputable. In this case (not saying she is not reputable) she is rather unknown......if known at all.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: wes pollock


The above was my responce to Brian. I have only been dealing with snake for about 30 years. I do have an albino female I'll be breeding as well, I only wanted a het to strengthen my bloodlines.

Since you haven't read the whole post, I'll go easy for now, but I think I handled this pretty well.

Wes Pollock

 

[Wilomn]

Brian, forgot one other important thing. Had she sent me 200.00 and the snake proved out I would have sent her the 200.00 back plus a FREE het for her trouble.

Wes Pollock

 

[Brian Oakley]

I copied the email you sent me Wes and it clearly says that (didn't miss a sigle word). I have no idea how long you have been working with snakes, that is why I asked and it says that in my email to you as well.
Listen, I am not trying to make anyone upset, I just point things out as I see them. My questions are valid and I even said in my last email to you that you did not post that I AM on your side.......did I not?

By the way, I read a good portion of it, I felt there was no sense in reading 6 pages of stuff pertaining to one thing...........that being that she will not/could not send you the info you asked for.
Brian Oakley

 

[Stardust]

Maybe I just do not know enough about all of this, but again I ask, what is the harm in letting someone know where the snake came from?
Is it just me or what? I would think the breeder would be proud to say it was his/her het????? Especially if someone said the snake was in great shape and just wanted verification.

 

[Wilomn]

Brian, sorry but I think you misunderstood what I was referring to when I stated above that I think I had handled this pretty well. I meant the whole situation with kelly, not you at all. Your questions were no problem whatsoever and I did totally miss the part where you asked me how long I had been working with snakes in the first email it was in. Trying to help your sixth grader with her english homework and posting here can be tricky and I missed it completely.

I've got no problems with you or anything you've said or asked at all. If you've got kids you'll understand my distracted state and if you don't, well it's sort of hard to describe, very cool, very hard and so many other things. I was over multitasking. Can you tell I'm the only one up now?

Wes Pollock

 

[Brian Oakley]

Not a big deal. I just wanted to make sure you knew where I was coming from.
KIDS! Yeah, I have an 11 year old son. Although he is in bed for the night, I was on the phone with my wife who is currently in the E.R. right now while you and I were emailing each other. She was at a waterpark here in AZ and hit her tailbone on teh bottom of a slide. LONG STORY! Anyway, I felt bad since I had to stay home with my son.........has school tomorrow.
Anyway, like I said in my last email to you a while ago, hope everything works out for you. If not, like you said, live and learn.
Brian Oakley

 

[kingmike]

I would have to agree with Wes here for one simple but huge ( in my opinion anyway ) fact at this point. I dont care who's het's I was selling, I would let everyone know even before the purchase who the breeder was. I cant think of a single reason why that information could not be given. That would have been an huge red flag for me. I hope this works out for you Wes but I think you were right, this one smells a little fishy.