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Bad Guy Beware Kevin Lee Jarvis of Akron Reptiles (Bull123)

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The snake I purchased from Kevin Lee Jarvis of Akron Reptiles arrived almost three weeks after the agreed ship date and was dead on arrival. Photographs were forwarded within an hour of receiving it, video was taken, and my offer to ship the snake back immediately after was denied. Although the container it was stored seemed much more appropriate for a neonate than a two foot long Mussurana, I understand the risk associated with shipping reptiles.

Compounded by the delay in shipping, questionable shipping conditions, sub-par communication, the seller is now ignoring my refund request of my purchase price $230 despite his stating that he had insurance from Fed Ex that would recoup his losses. Please be aware that he is selling other snakes in the classifieds.

The decision to post this warning did not come lightly. I respect a person’s opportunity to correct mistakes intentional or not, however I can no longer ignore obvious poor seller etiquette. Despite my opening of a PayPal dispute, it is obvious to me that he is hoping I give up and write off my $230 expense as a learning experience. That may in fact happen, but not as quietly has he may like.

If the seller does eventually refund my money, I will add it to this report.

Note: I debated attaching a photo of the Mussurana as I unpacked for fear it would offend snake lovers as much as it offended me. If a moderator suggests I do so, I will. There seemed no way this snake could even move in the container and reportedly had eaten two days earlier. The odor was unbearable.

Background:
I purchased a 2ft male Mussurana form Kevin Lee Jarvis of Akron Reptiles and member "Bull123"on Friday, Feb 9 from the “Other Snakes” classifieds forum. The agreed shipment date was the following Monday, Feb 12. Instead, after a number of delays on his part due to his work schedule, I did not receive the snake until exactly three weeks later on March 2 and only after informing him, I would be forced to leave a BOI and open a Pay Pal dispute in the hopes of recouping my purchase price. I understand delays happen, but it was left to me to track shipping status instead of him communicating those delays to me.
When I arrived at the Fed Ex station less than two hours of its arrival, I was met with a terrible odor and a Fed Ex agent that informed me that they had wrapped the box in a thin plastic bag to isolate the smell. Thinking that perhaps it had defecated enroot, I sped home. Once home fifteen minutes later, I found an extremely deceased snake that appeared almost liquefied in its skin. It was very sad and very frustrating.

I immediately grabbed my phone and took video and pictures of the storage container, snake and temp gun readings. I called Kevin Jarvis who genuinely seemed surprised and disappointed. I offered to send the snake back exactly how I found it and within two hours of picking it up. He declined, but asked me to forward the pictures I took and I did so within the hour. He was going to contact Fed Ex and initiate my refund. It never came. It has been over 48hours and I have not heard back or received replies to my subsequent emails.

I have saved all of our email correspondence, some of which was conducted through PM and personal email. I will certainly post it if readers feel it will help. There were also three phone conversations, the first was immediately after he received my PayPal payment on Feb 9 when he confirmed the ship date, another a day after the initial ship date past, letting me know that his work schedule had him out of town, and the third, this past Friday when I called to inform him I received a dead snake. In hindsight, I should have been alarmed when he informed me that he was selling his entire collection, as he could no longer take care of them with his work schedule. I do hope he did not ship a thawed dead snake or shipped it too soon after a meal.

Luke Salerno
South Wales, NY
 
You should post e-mails and pics. It isn't required but it does help readers get a clear picture of everything that happened.
 
No shipper will insure a reptile, other than airlines. He is either sadly misinformed or coming up with an excuse. Did he guarentee live arrival?
 
In the emails below, I am “Luke” the buyer and “Kevin” is the seller. I have concealed the email addresses. The messages are in order of most recent to oldest. Most of the emails were through regular email while others were forum pm's. Three phone conversations acompany these emails as decribed in my first report.

The photo's attached were taken as the package was opened. I have never seen such a depressing sight and as mentioned the smell was intense. The temp gun reading may be inaccurate as it was taken a few minutes after the container was opened. I apologize for the disturbing nature of the photographs. It bothered me to take them, but I feel it is necessary to show conditions upon arrival.

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http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o576/skyrunner755/IMG_0068640x480.jpg

The Fed Ex Tacking info can still be viewed at www.Fedex.com Tracking number:874190979367

Last corespondence below:

Sent Fri 3/2/2012 9:20 PM

Kevin,

I haven’t heard back from you yet and wanted to make sure you received the pictures in my previous emails. I understand this is the risk of shipping reptiles but hope that it can be resolved immediately. I realize it may not be much, but to allow you to recoup some of the lost shipping costs, I can certainly agree to forfeit $30 if a refund of the remaining $200 can be made to my PayPal account: [email protected]. I am not opposed to a substitute if you have another Mussurana available or a BT in that price range. The shipping arrangements would just have to be very soon.

Please advise. I do not want to lose out on filing a claim through PayPal. Three weeks waiting for a snake and having it arrive deceased is not an experience I would want others to experience. Others have agreed.


Sent: Fri 3/2/2012 1:20 PM

Kevin,

Again, this is sad to see. I have quite a few reptiles shipped and I hope I never have to the misfortune to find another poor guy in this condition. I know these type of things happen though and obviously, it wasn’t intentional on your part. I’m open to trying it again if you have another male or female for the same price, but I imagine a refund work best and hope that it can come sooner rather than later.

After not inhaling and inspecting it a little closer, it’s skin was not torn as I first thought, but was just really deflated.

Sorry again this turned out this way. The family was looking forward to seeing him when they got home.

Look forward to hearing back,
Luke

From: kevin jarvis [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:35 PM
To: Luke Salerno
Subject: RE: Mussurana Shipment Status

hi luke i sent your snake off today and he will arrive at the fed ex office before noon tomorrow. your tracking is # 874190979367. he is in a styrafoam lined box with heat packs so he should be nice and warm. sorry for the delay but tha'ts why i am selling everything. i hope you enjoy him as much as i did. he ate three fuzzies on tuseday next feed should be Monday.
thanks Kevin

From: XXXXXXX
To: XXXXXXXX
Subject: RE: Mussurana Shipment Status
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:53:10 +0000
Great.

I’m looking forward to it.


From: kevin jarvis [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:18 AM
To: Luke Salerno
Subject: RE: Mussurana Shipment Status

your snake will go out Thursday i will call you with a tracking number
thanks Kevin

From: XXXXXXXXX
To: XXXXXXX
Subject: Re: Mussurana Shipment Status
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:06:01

Kevin,

I was expecting word Monday or today on whether to expect the Mussurana shipped as you noted last week. I understand the difficulties your work schedule may be posing, but I can no longer afford to wait. $230 was quite a expense for me when I paid on Feb 9th and you agreed to ship the following Monday. I fear that now shipment will be postponed to next Monday, which will be the start of the fourth week since my purchase. I am confident that had the roles been reversed or rather still, you shipped the snake in good faith and were still expecting payment after almost three weeks, you'd be as upset as I am. I hope you would have been as patient.

I have been advised by the forum moderator of Fauna to immediately post a BOI warning potential buyers of this type of experience, including our names, associated businesses, screen names and correspondences. I should also contact PayPal and file a claim dispute before the window closes.

As much as I value reputations, I am afraid I will have to follow these recommendations in order to have any chance of either receiving the snake I purchased in the same healthy condition he was advertised in, or of course, a full refund via Paypal of the original amount. If either of these two options are completed by Thursday, you will never hear boo from me again nor will a BOI in any form be left by me. You have my word for what that is worth.

I do honestly hope you realize I but can't, and won't, afford to lose $230. I think I have been as patient as as can be expected. There will be no hard feelings if all I receive back is a refund notice from PayPal before Thursday.

I think you really care about your reptiles and I still feel that this can turn out to be a positive transaction. Know that your snake will be well-taken care of for it's lifetime, not flipped for a profit, neglected, or mistreated.

-Luke


On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:41 AM, "kevin jarvis"

hi luke, my work squedual is killing me. i made it home on friday night. and flew back out sunday night. hoping to be home monday to ship him. this is why i am selling off my collection unfortunately. i will call you to set up the shipment
thanks kevin



To: [email protected]>
Subject: Mussurana Shipment Status

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:47:12 -0500

This is the message:

Hi Kevin,

I apologize for my persistence as most likely your schedule is as hectic as mine, but I wanted to know if you could give be an expected ship date? I know it hasn’t yet been two weeks since you received payment, but I wanted to make sure I could set aside time in my schedule to pick up the snake as soon as he arrived at the Fed Ex location. I am not able to answer my cell (716-XXX-XXXX) when I am teaching class but if you could leave a message, I would really appreciate it. You are also welcome to send me an email ([email protected] or leave a message at my home: (716-XXX-XXXX).

The Fed Ex Delivery location closest to me: 650 Orchard Park Road, West Seneca, NY 14224(716) 677-2679

I hope all is well, and I really look forward to hearing from you.
-Luke


Sent 02-09-2012, 11:34 AM

I just sent the payment through PayPal address: [email protected]. I believe the associated account name for you was Patty Jarvis. It's obviously been a mild winter with nighttime temps in the upper 20's/low 30's. There is no delivery rush if you prefer to wait for slightly warmer temps.

On that note, would it be possible for you to ship to a FedEx location for hold rather than my home address? No one would be home to sign for him otherwise. The FedEx Location is: 650 Orchard Park Rd. West Seneca, NY 14224 and I would be able to pick him up within an hour of him arriving. If not, I can try to find an alternate solution.

I meant to ask earlier if you acquired him from John at Black Pearl and awesome if you did. I noticed this fella still as some red coloration behind his head. Should I expect that to fade on his way to becoming full black like his belly?


Re: mussurana

hi luke, first of all thanks for watching the videos. these snakes are incredible, the just have no will to bite. if you spook them they flop around and act crazy instead of striking. i just pick him up and never even think about him biting me. they seem to share allot of the same traits with cribos. you and your son will love him. for paypal my account is ([email protected]) my phone is 330-XXX-XXXX
thanks kevin
 
Luke - the decision to post the pics is yours...but a living snake will not generally reach the level of decomposition you seem to be describing if it dies during an overnight trip. Some may be offended or outraged at the images, but the pictures may be reveal something. At the very least, they will confirm that you received a dead snake; which is generally considered a starting point.
Have you notified the seller?
 
That poor snake :( I can't imagine the horrible feeling one gets from opening a package expecting a live and happy snake only to see that... I'm sorry and I really hope that guy will man up and give you a full refund.
 
No shipper will insure a reptile, other than airlines. He is either sadly misinformed or coming up with an excuse. Did he guarentee live arrival?

No, he did not state that live arrival was guaranteed, nor did he say otherwise. It was completely my fault for not asking and I may have learned an expensive lesson. I did offer to contribute $30 to help cover some of his shipping expense, as I didn’t feel that anyone would have shipped a dead animal on purpose. I was also completely prepared to ship it back at my own expense because I felt so bad for the poor snake.

I still hope it was an unfortunate shipping accident, but felt I had been patient enough and should not wait another three weeks for a refund that may never have came.
 
That poor snake :( I can't imagine the horrible feeling one gets from opening a package expecting a live and happy snake only to see that... I'm sorry and I really hope that guy will man up and give you a full refund.

Thank you so much Misha. I wasn't the only one who learned an important lesson. My 8 year old son was heartbroken when he came home from school and heard that our new pet didn't make it. Those are photos he will never see.
 
Here's the tracking info - grabbed it while it's still available;
Date/Time Activity Location Details
Mar 2, 2012 9:29 AM Delivered CHEEKTOWAGA, NY
Mar 2, 2012 8:51 AM On FedEx vehicle for delivery CHEEKTOWAGA, NY
Mar 2, 2012 8:06 AM At local FedEx facility CHEEKTOWAGA, NY
Mar 2, 2012 6:47 AM At destination sort facility CHEEKTOWAGA, NY
Mar 2, 2012 4:09 AM Departed FedEx location MEMPHIS, TN
Mar 1, 2012 11:14 PM Arrived at FedEx location MEMPHIS, TN
Mar 1, 2012 8:40 PM Left FedEx origin facility AKRON, OH
Mar 1, 2012 3:17 PM Picked up AKRON, OH

I looked at the pics - that's quite a lot of decomposition for an animal that was supposedly alive when picked up March 1 at 3:17 PM, and delivered to you March 2 at 9:29 AM. I
 
Looks like my last post was a little late....I got sidetracked by doing a BOI search to see what came up on the guy. (I've since had to go back and look at one of the threads and try to figure out why I posted an inquiry about him...but I drew a blank).

As expected from your description, those pics make it hard to buy a died en route claim.
Hope you get your $$ back, but I rather doubt it will happen unless Kevin loses a battle with his conscience.
 
Luke, I am so sorry this happened to you. You said heat packs (plural) were used, correct? How many? Where were they in the box when you unpacked? Directly on top or below the animal? And what did they look like - heat packs or handwarmers? Size?
 
No shipper will insure a reptile, other than airlines. He is either sadly misinformed or coming up with an excuse.

I don't believe this is entirely true anymore, although the excuse angle may be correct. Based on what's been presented so far, I believe that snake was exposed to extremely HIGH temperatures.
 

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syr, or some of the other companies that provide shipping under their account may offer a guarantee (under the right conditions), but FedEx itself would not insure live arrival of a reptile.
Getting back on topic: The seller should refund you, it does appear this was due to poor packing on his part (allowing it to overheat).
 
I don't believe this is entirely true anymore, although the excuse angle may be correct. Based on what's been presented so far, I believe that snake was exposed to extremely HIGH temperatures.

I really appreciate your advice. I would really rather think it passed away quickly from vibration or poor handling than if it suffered from intense heat and regurgitation, which I fear.

There were two heat packs as seen in the picture below. The pad below was underneath some loose newspaper and one above was on top of the container and then covered with more loose newpaper and the styrofoam top.

One of his numerous video's on You Tube if you search: Akronreptiles focuses on proper shipping and packing. He seems like a very passionate and knowledgeable guy, which was why I thought so hard about leaving this BOI warning. It may have been a honest mistake, but his failure to reply and contact me doesn't reflect well.

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It's hard for me to believe that heat packs (even with warm weather) could reduce a snake to...that. On the other hand, I have no idea what kind of person would ship a DEAD snake out to a customer. To me it looks like he took it straight out of his freezer, packed it up and sent it on its way. Especially the fact that it was shipped overnight makes it hard to believe the level of decomposition. So sorry this happened to you. :(
 
I looked at your pic (thanks for posting it) and it says "hothands". Hand warmers are not heat packs - big difference. Depending on the type/size of "hothands' used, these "produce heat anywhere from 100°F to 180°F for duration of 1 to 20+ hours." That is a direct quote from their website. Handwarmers are not safe or suitable for reptile shipping. I wish more people knew that - this could have been avoided.
 
That is very sad to hear. Mussuranas are extremely heat sensitive snakes too. So much for any confidence I may have had with his shipping experience. I do hope none of the BT and Yellow tail Cribos he has listed here sell and meet a similar fate. They're just as heat sensitive.

Thank you!
 
I looked at your pic (thanks for posting it) and it says "hothands". Hand warmers are not heat packs - big difference. Depending on the type/size of "hothands' used, these "produce heat anywhere from 100°F to 180°F for duration of 1 to 20+ hours." That is a direct quote from their website. Handwarmers are not safe or suitable for reptile shipping. I wish more people knew that - this could have been avoided.

Yeah, this is quite possible -- given the amount of quick, extremely high heat the "hot hands" produce, I can believe they'd leave a snake in this condition overnight. Reptile-proper heat packs, which don't get nearly as hot, wouldn't do this kind of damage, but the two handwarmers are unfortunately what probably did the poor guy in.
 
I watched their packing video, Luke. They never covered hot- or cold- packs. They didn't get to the 'filling' either. I will say that he looked like someone who cares and wouldn't intentionally do such harm.

That being said (and there are lots of opinions about what I am about to type), I don't punch holes in my boxes, I label them according to what I understand Lacey Act requirements to be, I use snake bags as opposed to deli cups when practical/possible, and I now wrap newspaper around the heat pads as I had a taped one fall off (oops - the snake was fine).

There are lots of opinions on temperatures during flight and on the truck, too. Generally speaking, I would rather have a cool snake arrive than a hot one.

That's getting a bit away from this (sorry). There is NO DOUBT in my mind, or I believe anyone else's here, that you are due a complete refund.

Luke, I am very sorry that you went through this experience. Talk about traumatic. I hope Kevin does the right thing (this time).

Best of luck...I am pulling for you.
 
OMG< those pics are nasty. That poor snake. :( You should definitely get a refund!
 
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