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Bad Guy BEWARE of Evans Snakes

Since Evan is banned I was specifically directed by Rich not to post his Email. My regurgitating it is no different than posting it and since I have been told not to by management i will respect that.

In essence though,by your own admission, you had not even supplied him with your shipping address till recently. I was told that numerous attempts to arrange shipping have been ignored by you and that, until recently, you were the impediment to shipping.

As someone who has shipped a lot of animals in the last decade, i always ask the buyer when it would be convenient to ship and when will someone be there to receive. Any professional does. Of course it is your responsibility to suggest a shipping day. Supply a date you can receive and quit whining about it.


Your confused, maybe you should read the emails again.

He asked about a show and my location not a shipping address.
Then he asked ONCE about a address.
It was fricking winter, You should know better then that.

So now it is warm enough, I asked about shipping, I sent my address
I asked to let me know when he can ship so I can tell him if I will be here.
I think that pretty much tells him I am ready and it is time.
He has been contacted and told the address, all he has to do now is tell me when he can ship and it can end.
He told me he would ship when he felt like it, he also told me not to contact him.
But I guess you would not know this seeing you have not read the emails.


DanD, Before I answer anymore of your stupid questions what did you learn from the email you needed so bad ?
 
It seems pretty clear from my point of view. I don't know anybody in this topic, but from what I can see many people's personal feelings are coming into play.

The emails clearly show the man is owned a snake, and has yet to receive it. Suncoast seems to be in contact with this Evan, so help clear this up and just ask Evan what day he will be shipping, then post that date in this topic so Jim can be available to accept the animal.

Not trying to take anyone's sides as I said I don't know anybody here. Just seems individual's personal "agendas" or opinions from previous situations are clouding this one.
 
Perfect Deal with Evan

I realize Evan was banned but felt a need to speak up since I had a recent transaction with Evan Stahl.

Just thought I'd put my 2 cents in here. I recently (2 weeks ago) purchased a snake from Evan and everything went as smoothly as possible. The snake was even better than what he'd told me, healthy and absolutely gorgeous. He shipped exactly when he'd said he was going to and I have NO reason to complain. He responded to every question or need I had and in a very timely manner. I'd definitely purchase from him again. :)
 
It seems pretty clear from my point of view. I don't know anybody in this topic, but from what I can see many people's personal feelings are coming into play.

Experiences. Not feelings. There is a very distinct difference.

Jim Scharphorn has a history. He's been caught lying on these boards when he thought it was to his own advantage, he was banned in the past and is only here presently because a reset of the warning system removed his "Suspended and Fine Due" status.

The emails clearly show the man is owned a snake, and has yet to receive it.

The question of WHY he has yet to receive it is an important one, since he's calling Evan a bad guy and claiming Evan is at fault.

And that... is something Jim has not addressed, his original post and all the subsequent, redundant emails omitted the information that would be necessary to determine fault. He left a very small trail of breadcrumbs in the extended email post but they're disjointed and unclear.

What was the original deal? Jim's sent ______ in exchange for _______? Did he trade his own animals for something that Evan hadn't hatched yet? Did he request something Evan didn't have at the time? It seems like this might be the case since there was one disconnected-from-anything-else email where Evan mentioned that he'd need to go find the male snake Jim wanted. Fault for the delay- quite possibly Jim's, if he requested something Evan didn't have or was wanting something Evan had not yet hatched.

The tumor that Evan reported and Jim ignored, where does that come into play? Again, Jim hasn't posted a damn thing that actually gets to the meat of this transaction, we have no idea how many of what were to be exchanged for how many of something else but sending an animal with a tumor which he then forgets about even though he had previously acknowledged it HAS to do something to the relative values of the animals being traded. This is again on Jim's shoulders, since it's clear Evan reported the issue at the time of the original shipment and Jim then ignored it.

There were some hints around the edges and in Evan's emails- although again, Jim didn't post a clear cut email chain and a lot are taken out of context- that there was a delay in shipping at Jim's request. That one of the animals which Jim wanted was not a strong feeder and that Jim and Evan had, at some point in the past where Jim's period of amnesia extends to, wanted it to stay with Evan until it was a better feeder. 'cause Evan is competent enough to deal with a picky feeder where Jim would end up starving it through ham handed ineptitude. Given that we still don't know the nature of the original deal and if Jim was trading for snakes that were already hatched and already in Evan's possession, this may again be on Jim's shoulders. Jim seems to have either traded for an unknown or traded for an animal with a slow feeding response and then requested that Evan work on it for him.

Additionally, how is Evan supposed to ship without an address? Evan asked for Jim's location, Jim named a town. Unless Jim is the sole resident of that town and the shipping companies are aware of that, this is utterly useless. Jim had then started getting uppity in the email exchange well before he gave his full address. And given the hints that are present about why the shipment had been delayed so long... and my suspicion that it was Jim's fault to begin with... his attitude and combative, demanding nature are just about guaranteed to leave the other person disinclined to go out of their way to help him out.

Not trying to take anyone's sides as I said I don't know anybody here. Just seems individual's personal "agendas" or opinions from previous situations are clouding this one.

Of course opinions from previous situations will come into play. These are called "experiences" and they help us learn. If they were suddenly removed, the entire species would be extinct within days as we burnt ourselves to death on our own stoves.

It's certainly not a personal agenda. Evan isn't the most well liked of people; he's conceited and he's condescending and he's argumentative- which rubs all the other conceited, condescending, argumentative people the wrong way. He might be a loudmouthed, hot-headed braggart who's entire attitude would probably be improved by a good punch in the mouth... but he's not a thief or a liar. He's not stealing snakes from Jim and he's not trying to pull one over.

Jim on the other hand IS a liar. He can't be believed any further than he can be thrown, he's got a history of telling half-truths and whole fabrications if he thinks they'll further whatever his goals are. He's basically a scumbag.

So people are going to use their experiences as a filter and believe the jackass over the liar.
 
seamus, you have not one clue and are way of base

Give me a clue then Jim.

What was your exact original deal with Evan-

Which one of you contacted the other one?

How many of what animals did you send him?

How many of what animals was he supposed to send you in return?

Did you, as the emails seem to indicate, ask him for something he didn't currently have ready to ship; either waiting to hatch or that he needed to obtain from another source?

Why didn't you discuss the tumor with him when he mentioned it?

Did you ask Evan to get one of the animals feeding more strongly because you couldn't?

Were any of the other delays in shipping based on requests from you- wanting a certain size, age, behavior or because of your scheduling concerns?

Why didn't you give him your shipping address until two years later?

Something delayed Evan's half of the trade being shipped. You came to these boards calling him a bad guy and saying he's jerked you around for two years but you haven't provided any details that support the idea that it was Evan's fault. You described the sketchiest of situations, you "didn't remember" and "couldn't recall" the reasons for the delays but wanted everyone to blame Evan for them.

You tried to give the impression that Evan was regularly in the habit of accepting trades or payment and then not sending out what he owes. That's counter to everything that's currently known about his business practices and you wanted the readers to swallow that pill with no proof, no evidence, nothing but your word... Jim, your word is garbage. You lie easily and freely (but not well) anytime it's convenient for you to do so. You've done it in the past and you can't be trusted on the strength of your word.

Bottom line is this Jim- you have no credibility. None. Put up some evidence that proves, undeniably proves that Evan has been screwing you for two years or take your thieving, lying accusations and shove them up your...
 
And please, do us, and yourself, a favor and if you do provide proofs, do not bury them in hundreds of lines of irrelevant emails while blaming anyone who asks questions for this format. It is your responsibility to provide concise info if you are trying to make a point.
 
Give me a clue then Jim.

What was your exact original deal with Evan-

Which one of you contacted the other one?

How many of what animals did you send him?

How many of what animals was he supposed to send you in return?

Did you, as the emails seem to indicate, ask him for something he didn't currently have ready to ship; either waiting to hatch or that he needed to obtain from another source?

Why didn't you discuss the tumor with him when he mentioned it?

Did you ask Evan to get one of the animals feeding more strongly because you couldn't?

Were any of the other delays in shipping based on requests from you- wanting a certain size, age, behavior or because of your scheduling concerns?

Why didn't you give him your shipping address until two years later?

Something delayed Evan's half of the trade being shipped. You came to these boards calling him a bad guy and saying he's jerked you around for two years but you haven't provided any details that support the idea that it was Evan's fault. You described the sketchiest of situations, you "didn't remember" and "couldn't recall" the reasons for the delays but wanted everyone to blame Evan for them.

You tried to give the impression that Evan was regularly in the habit of accepting trades or payment and then not sending out what he owes. That's counter to everything that's currently known about his business practices and you wanted the readers to swallow that pill with no proof, no evidence, nothing but your word... Jim, your word is garbage. You lie easily and freely (but not well) anytime it's convenient for you to do so. You've done it in the past and you can't be trusted on the strength of your word.

Bottom line is this Jim- you have no credibility. None. Put up some evidence that proves, undeniably proves that Evan has been screwing you for two years or take your thieving, lying accusations and shove them up your...

Amen brother!! :thumbsup:
 
And please, do us, and yourself, a favor and if you do provide proofs, do not bury them in hundreds of lines of irrelevant emails while blaming anyone who asks questions for this format. It is your responsibility to provide concise info if you are trying to make a point.

The day he posted the back to back maximum text limit posts of redundant emails, where each email had copies of the string embedded in it, I started trying to sort it out.

I wrote down every date and time that appeared and started putting those in ascending order, then went back using a text search for those specific dates, copying and pasting the text of the email they were attached to.

I had to abort my effort after about thirty minutes when I ran into chunks of text that had no headers- obviously nothing was posted with *full* headers, but these were just text. No email addresses, no time or date, no context at all.

I might have worked with some of those, setting them aside or puzzle piecing them in, but there are still a bunch of incongruous emails or chunks of text... Most of them are readily apparent when Evan's portions seem to be answering questions that none of Jim's posted emails ask.

It just didn't end up being worth the effort because it was still incomplete. I was hoping that someplace in that pile of emails and quoted replies would be the email that started the deal and everything since but it simply wasn't there.

All the portions of Jim's original post where an important detail- one that might be used to ascertain responsibility or guilt- is obscured by "I don't remember" are still missing.
 
I only want to know this...... Why on earth did Evan even have to ask you for your shipping address? Why, when you are wanting him to ship for the PAST TWO YEARS, were you JUST NOW giving him your address? Did you not think he would need it to ship the snakes to you? Or did you expect him to guess? You'd think that this would have all been worked out TWO YEARS AGO!
 
Your confused, maybe you should read the emails again.

He asked about a show and my location not a shipping address.
Then he asked ONCE about a address.
It was fricking winter, You should know better then that.

So now it is warm enough, I asked about shipping, I sent my address
I asked to let me know when he can ship so I can tell him if I will be here.
I think that pretty much tells him I am ready and it is time.
He has been contacted and told the address, all he has to do now is tell me when he can ship and it can end.
He told me he would ship when he felt like it, he also told me not to contact him.
But I guess you would not know this seeing you have not read the emails.


DanD, Before I answer anymore of your stupid questions what did you learn from the email you needed so bad ?


I actually muddled through that garbage dump of truncated and repeated Emails a couple of times Jim. Since a fair number were fragments, it was not an easy job.

Let me demonstrate my reading comprehension for you.

1.) You only recently supplied an address to Evan and seem to have had an issue with this deal for about two weeks. That would lead me to believe that you were in full agreement that the animals were not to be shipped till recently

2. Evan's Emails state that there are "snakes" being shipped. Why the need for him to state what he is shipping? You have been very careful not to state in an Email what you are expecting either. This would lead me to believe that there may be a difference in opinion as to what you are supposed to receive.


3.) In your opening paragraph on page 1 you state that Evan contacted you upon receiving the animals and notified you of the Tumor. Later you state that he just brought it up recently and you do not remember that contact...which is it Jimmy?

If your story were a boat it would have sunk by now.
 
Shipping Address??

If Evan received snake(s) from Jim, then why wouldn't Evan have Jim's address?? It's called a return address and ALL carriers require a return address in case the package is undeliverable. I'm not trying to take a side, but this sounds like a BS excuse (no address).
 
Possibly correct Wes however the box in question was sent two years ago and was probably disposed of soon after. That said, i always ask my customers to verify their address via email. It is truly amazing how many people have the wrong address listed in various places online.
 
this thread is very hard to determine who is at fault since evan cant be here to comment. i would really like to hear his side and see if there is more to the story
 
Although the emails were hard to read to me, personally, it looked like he was trying to get evan to put down, in black and white, exactly what he was sending.

If this trade is over two years old, as the OP points out those royals should be a fair size now.

He was trying to get Evan to comit, in an email, in black and white that he will be shipping royals of the correct year, sexes and genetics. Ie not try and fob him off with much younger snakes with this deal being so old.

I do however also agree that it looks like the OP is being selective with the information he provides, until that stops you're not going to get many people on your side.

IF Evan really is a bad guy as you say then provide full disclosure on all the details of the deal, not just those from the last couple of weeks.
 
Sorry folks but I am tired of all the bull crap and some of the questions being asked are posted in the first post.
I told even I would be here Weds .
He sent me a email back and said the only way he would ship is if I posted on here and admitted items I do not agree with.

Here is what he had to say

As it stands right now, with the mess that you have posted on fauna that has blown up in your face, these are the terms of my shipping animals to you. 1) you will post the truth on fauna. That much of the shipping delay was in fact your fault as you declined to pick up at shows, declined to supply a shipping address until a couple days ago, declined to accept animals delivered to you upon pick up of cages for my friends store (since you decline to do business with him), declined to accept animals that you did not know how or were not capable of getting eating and acknowledge that you did ask me to keep for you and take care of, and then when you requested to change the deal to compensate you for the delay by going from a female to a pair, male and female. Youi need to make these facts clear as you have lied and ommitted them. 2) you will post on fauna when you are requesting the animals be shipped and then will PROMISE IN EMAIL AND ON FAUNA to post upon receipt of the animals your update that you received them and that they are in fact healhy, in good condition, packed well and sexed as promised and documented as promised And in fact will be stating on that site that you have been paid in full on your end of the trade and it has been completed if that is all true at that time. If you wish to not do these things that is fine and you will then be directed to my attorney as you have slandered and libeled me in the thread while leaving out many facts that you were aware of at your time of posting, my favorite being that you complained repeatedly about my not answering emails right away even though I had made you aware that my mother had just died. How about posting that on fauna? This is officialy your last chance to act like a man and solve this problem. The ball is in your court. Evan Stahl


There was never any agreement for me to meet him at a show or anywhere else.
Or if I sold someone cages we could meet then as well.
He had a snake that was not feeding correctly, we both agreed to get it going better but it did not make it so if he would have sent it to me I would think that would be worse but apparently he does not think that way.
I have told the truth as I see it, I really do not care if some of you see it different !!

His Mother passed away, Sorry Evan for you and your families loss.

He had my address when I shipped my animals to him
He then had my address when I bought a thermostat off him the following year.
I gave him my address when it was safe to ship.
Why give it to him when it was not safe ?
No reason I can see....

I stand behind what I have said and if Even chooses not to ship then that is on him.

A few clowns post against me here.
They have never liked me from years ago when I called out one of their own.
I have never been treated fare since.
A few years later they found out their buddy was a scum bucket.
This so called lie they accuse me of, if the same situation came up again I would do the same thing I did then.
I have been hung at that time as well and it all started with their buddy Matt Graybeal.
 
As far as what I expect from Evan is
A pair of 100% het for piebald balls that are 08 hatch.
The original 07 did not make it.
I just wanted him to say he was sending 100% het for piebalds so when they prove out I had correct documention from him of what he sent me.
I do not know what hets look like so how will I know if they are normals or 66% or 100% ?
I bought a 100% from someone else in 07 at this same time that was not a het at all.
 
hets look like normals and the only way you will know is when you prove them out. I highly doubt he will send you some fake hets.
 
Sorry folks but I am tired of all the bull crap and some of the questions being asked are posted in the first post.
I told even I would be here Weds .
He sent me a email back and said the only way he would ship is if I posted on here and admitted items I do not agree with.

Here is what he had to say

As it stands right now, with the mess that you have posted on fauna that has blown up in your face, these are the terms of my shipping animals to you. 1) you will post the truth on fauna. That much of the shipping delay was in fact your fault as you declined to pick up at shows, declined to supply a shipping address until a couple days ago, declined to accept animals delivered to you upon pick up of cages for my friends store (since you decline to do business with him), declined to accept animals that you did not know how or were not capable of getting eating and acknowledge that you did ask me to keep for you and take care of, and then when you requested to change the deal to compensate you for the delay by going from a female to a pair, male and female. Youi need to make these facts clear as you have lied and ommitted them. 2) you will post on fauna when you are requesting the animals be shipped and then will PROMISE IN EMAIL AND ON FAUNA to post upon receipt of the animals your update that you received them and that they are in fact healhy, in good condition, packed well and sexed as promised and documented as promised And in fact will be stating on that site that you have been paid in full on your end of the trade and it has been completed if that is all true at that time. If you wish to not do these things that is fine and you will then be directed to my attorney as you have slandered and libeled me in the thread while leaving out many facts that you were aware of at your time of posting, my favorite being that you complained repeatedly about my not answering emails right away even though I had made you aware that my mother had just died. How about posting that on fauna? This is officialy your last chance to act like a man and solve this problem. The ball is in your court. Evan Stahl


There was never any agreement for me to meet him at a show or anywhere else.
Or if I sold someone cages we could meet then as well.
He had a snake that was not feeding correctly, we both agreed to get it going better but it did not make it so if he would have sent it to me I would think that would be worse but apparently he does not think that way.
I have told the truth as I see it, I really do not care if some of you see it different !!

His Mother passed away, Sorry Evan for you and your families loss.

He had my address when I shipped my animals to him
He then had my address when I bought a thermostat off him the following year.
I gave him my address when it was safe to ship.
Why give it to him when it was not safe ?
No reason I can see....

I stand behind what I have said and if Even chooses not to ship then that is on him.

A few clowns post against me here.
They have never liked me from years ago when I called out one of their own.
I have never been treated fare since.
A few years later they found out their buddy was a scum bucket.
This so called lie they accuse me of, if the same situation came up again I would do the same thing I did then.
I have been hung at that time as well and it all started with their buddy Matt Graybeal.

Hey there jimmy boy, you still don't get it. A last bit of advice there short bus. Your post above was great and had you posted in kind in the first place you would have gotten a lot more support versus questions with the exception of your first and last paragraphs. Those are confrontational and if you don't want confrontation then maybe you better think before you post. If you do not possess this ability you should then ask an adult to help you. Another one of your problems is you have left out pieces and it is apparent in Evan's (again header missing) e-mail you just shared as well as the others you childishly posted. If you want to be treated like a man the act like one. If you want to continue to act like a child then you will be treated like one.
 
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