UpstateExotics1
Charming Snakewoman
Sheesh....
This is another one to watch out for. All of a sudden, once we posted on Corey how he owes us money and he won't pay, we get an email from Steve Smith at Southern States Exotics (who also was supposed to pay us money and has been avoiding us for the last month), that HE ALSO has hundreds of dollars worth of dead animals that he received and will not pay us what he owes us.
I am posting copies of the invoice, his emails, etc so we can get this out in the open the first time, so bear with me if this is quite lenghty.
They picked out over $1800 worth of animals in June. Anne ok'd the shipment and out it went. She paypaled us $500 as a down deposit and was to send the remainder over the next few weeks.
I ALSO DID A WEBSITE FOR THEM WHICH THEY STILL OWE ME $125 FOR!!! They do not want to pay the August hosting bill of $19.99 either, so I had to suspend their account.
It's a shame how people need all the help in the world to start their business, and we're the suckers (although it's a learning experience) that get screwed.
Anne would call constantly asking questions, how to get started, how to help with peopblems, how to set up tanks, etc.
They wanted to get some inventory for their newly opened "business", so we worked out to have $1000 down and the rest on credit to be paid in the following weeks. They only had $500 available (which was paid after they received all the animals) so we assumed they would stick to their word of payments.
All of a sudden when we touch base with them to find out when we can expect to see money, we start getting every excuse from Anne and never hear from Steve. Then we get an email on 8/4 finally:
Not on ly that, the only email we received from them from 6/25 through 8/4 was about a customer we had referred to them and they needed his contact info. But nothing about money.
Then we keep calling and calling, and get no response. We finally get an email from Steve 8/15:
Now, all of a sudden all his animals are dead, but we know he has sold them, and had them listed on his site, b/c I HELPED ANNE put them up there when we designed their site.
His remaining balance is $1322 however Steve said he has had $564.50 worth of animals die in the 7 days (incredible how when it comes down to owing the money, half of it is maguically dead.)
He said that since the invoice said 7 day health guarantee, even though he bought at wholesale pricing he is entitled to the 7-day. And we won't see a cent of it.
Here's the emails:
12:25 on 8/16
Response 12:56 on 8/16:
Sent 1:12 on 8/16:
Sent 1:27 on 8/16:
**Sorry if it's jumbled, trying to get everything**
He will not answer the phone or send us the money owed. He has been reading the thread on Corey and how he owes us money and now is trying the same thing.
It's shameless how someone can even try this, that his name now is on the BOI. If we are sooooo wrong why did he not ship back any animals that were "sick, malnutritioned" or whatever, or even TELL US!!! This one's a no brainer. You can see clearly what he's trying to do...he already has a lawyer involved...sign of guilt?
No only that we do not hear from them, get excuses, and only yesterday do we get an email about all these dead animals...coincedence that it's around the same time that we posted on Corey???
If he wants the 7 day guarantee and a $564.50 credit:
1. He should have contacted us with a list of ALLLLLL the doa's witghin those 7 days.
2. Should have given us pictures/proof of the doa's
3. Sent a vet report for (which if we remember is REQUIRED according to the 7 day guarantee he is referring to).
I'll even bite the bullet let's say. If you want that 7 day guarantee give me the pictures and vet report for EACH of the pennies you are counting. INCLUDING the burms you sold to a customer, whatever happend in that amount of time, and had them die after SELLING TO HIM, and expect ME or US GLOBAL to pay for. (When I NEVER got paid for them in the first place). You've got to be kidding me. Here's a copy of that email:
This is the remainder of the top email from Anne. Sent 8/04/03 Over a month after they got their shipment and were obviously selling the "sick, malnutioned animals":
[/QUOTE]Also wanted to let you know that the 10 burmese that we got from you were sick....this is an email that we received today from the man we sent them to the day after we got them from you:
I just got home & got your email, I appreciate your honesty. However,that does not help me out of the financial burden you have put me in. I have a fifth baby getting ready to die, I know this because they all have the same symptoms right before they go. They get very thin & flat within a matter of 24 hours, their tongue will come out but does not fork apart when they are smelling the air. Right before they die they crap everything out. Does this seem to coincide with your findings? I bought 10 from you for $350. So far I have sold 4 to some of my customers, 3 for $50 & 1 for $60 for a total of $210. I had more orders but refused to deliver until I figured out what was happening to them.
If you would like to earn my future business, I would appreciate a way to cover my $140 deficit. I'm not even talking about turning a profit, just covering my cost. If you have healthy babies now, then ship me 3 healthy ones I can sell @ $50/each. Perhaps a single healthy adult burmese (5'+) or even a healthy albino if you have them. If you need proof of death I can dig up the carcasses & fed ex them to you. Let me know.
Jeremiah
Thought you might want to check into this with your supplier.
Anne[/QUOTE]
And the funny thing, he's trying to even blame our wholesaler. How about placing the blame where it belongs Steve...with you.
I have also attached a copy of the invoice they recieved with shipping.
After all that is said and done, we decided to just take this as a loss, but yet ANOTHER learning experience, and just take the $757.50 back or the rest of my animals. AND HE STILL WON'T DO ANYTHING TO MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!
Now we'll do this test. Either I want my money or my animals (which according to your email on the 4th, yuo've been selling). So ship me back my animals..at my cost.....or are they dying off as you're reading this???
It's a shame Steve, we helped you get your business started...oh SORRY Southern States Exotics LLC...ah hem.
If you want to make right by this, I want my $757.50 now and I will give you time for the balance, or just return all my animals to me. You can keep the $500 worth that you have already paid for.
This is another one to watch out for. All of a sudden, once we posted on Corey how he owes us money and he won't pay, we get an email from Steve Smith at Southern States Exotics (who also was supposed to pay us money and has been avoiding us for the last month), that HE ALSO has hundreds of dollars worth of dead animals that he received and will not pay us what he owes us.
I am posting copies of the invoice, his emails, etc so we can get this out in the open the first time, so bear with me if this is quite lenghty.
They picked out over $1800 worth of animals in June. Anne ok'd the shipment and out it went. She paypaled us $500 as a down deposit and was to send the remainder over the next few weeks.
I ALSO DID A WEBSITE FOR THEM WHICH THEY STILL OWE ME $125 FOR!!! They do not want to pay the August hosting bill of $19.99 either, so I had to suspend their account.
It's a shame how people need all the help in the world to start their business, and we're the suckers (although it's a learning experience) that get screwed.
Anne would call constantly asking questions, how to get started, how to help with peopblems, how to set up tanks, etc.
They wanted to get some inventory for their newly opened "business", so we worked out to have $1000 down and the rest on credit to be paid in the following weeks. They only had $500 available (which was paid after they received all the animals) so we assumed they would stick to their word of payments.
All of a sudden when we touch base with them to find out when we can expect to see money, we start getting every excuse from Anne and never hear from Steve. Then we get an email on 8/4 finally:
Not on ly that, the only email we received from them from 6/25 through 8/4 was about a customer we had referred to them and they needed his contact info. But nothing about money.
Then we keep calling and calling, and get no response. We finally get an email from Steve 8/15:
Now, all of a sudden all his animals are dead, but we know he has sold them, and had them listed on his site, b/c I HELPED ANNE put them up there when we designed their site.
His remaining balance is $1322 however Steve said he has had $564.50 worth of animals die in the 7 days (incredible how when it comes down to owing the money, half of it is maguically dead.)
He said that since the invoice said 7 day health guarantee, even though he bought at wholesale pricing he is entitled to the 7-day. And we won't see a cent of it.
Here's the emails:
12:25 on 8/16
Response 12:56 on 8/16:
Sent 1:12 on 8/16:
Sent 1:27 on 8/16:
**Sorry if it's jumbled, trying to get everything**
He will not answer the phone or send us the money owed. He has been reading the thread on Corey and how he owes us money and now is trying the same thing.
It's shameless how someone can even try this, that his name now is on the BOI. If we are sooooo wrong why did he not ship back any animals that were "sick, malnutritioned" or whatever, or even TELL US!!! This one's a no brainer. You can see clearly what he's trying to do...he already has a lawyer involved...sign of guilt?
No only that we do not hear from them, get excuses, and only yesterday do we get an email about all these dead animals...coincedence that it's around the same time that we posted on Corey???
If he wants the 7 day guarantee and a $564.50 credit:
1. He should have contacted us with a list of ALLLLLL the doa's witghin those 7 days.
2. Should have given us pictures/proof of the doa's
3. Sent a vet report for (which if we remember is REQUIRED according to the 7 day guarantee he is referring to).
I'll even bite the bullet let's say. If you want that 7 day guarantee give me the pictures and vet report for EACH of the pennies you are counting. INCLUDING the burms you sold to a customer, whatever happend in that amount of time, and had them die after SELLING TO HIM, and expect ME or US GLOBAL to pay for. (When I NEVER got paid for them in the first place). You've got to be kidding me. Here's a copy of that email:
This is the remainder of the top email from Anne. Sent 8/04/03 Over a month after they got their shipment and were obviously selling the "sick, malnutioned animals":
[/QUOTE]Also wanted to let you know that the 10 burmese that we got from you were sick....this is an email that we received today from the man we sent them to the day after we got them from you:
I just got home & got your email, I appreciate your honesty. However,that does not help me out of the financial burden you have put me in. I have a fifth baby getting ready to die, I know this because they all have the same symptoms right before they go. They get very thin & flat within a matter of 24 hours, their tongue will come out but does not fork apart when they are smelling the air. Right before they die they crap everything out. Does this seem to coincide with your findings? I bought 10 from you for $350. So far I have sold 4 to some of my customers, 3 for $50 & 1 for $60 for a total of $210. I had more orders but refused to deliver until I figured out what was happening to them.
If you would like to earn my future business, I would appreciate a way to cover my $140 deficit. I'm not even talking about turning a profit, just covering my cost. If you have healthy babies now, then ship me 3 healthy ones I can sell @ $50/each. Perhaps a single healthy adult burmese (5'+) or even a healthy albino if you have them. If you need proof of death I can dig up the carcasses & fed ex them to you. Let me know.
Jeremiah
Thought you might want to check into this with your supplier.
Anne[/QUOTE]
And the funny thing, he's trying to even blame our wholesaler. How about placing the blame where it belongs Steve...with you.
I have also attached a copy of the invoice they recieved with shipping.
After all that is said and done, we decided to just take this as a loss, but yet ANOTHER learning experience, and just take the $757.50 back or the rest of my animals. AND HE STILL WON'T DO ANYTHING TO MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!
Now we'll do this test. Either I want my money or my animals (which according to your email on the 4th, yuo've been selling). So ship me back my animals..at my cost.....or are they dying off as you're reading this???
It's a shame Steve, we helped you get your business started...oh SORRY Southern States Exotics LLC...ah hem.
If you want to make right by this, I want my $757.50 now and I will give you time for the balance, or just return all my animals to me. You can keep the $500 worth that you have already paid for.
