Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

[Bill_Leverton]

I'm sorry that I didn't send you your own private apology, but I didnt send no private apologies to no one sorry you feel left out

I was kidding Take it easy, Im sorry words on a screen dont have sounds of laughter

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Brett, Dan, and Liz

I do agree with what each of you had to say, I had no affiliation with Bill what so ever, and have never spoken to him until tonight. Maybe I see the world through very optimistic eyes, and it wouldn't be the first time that I've been called naive.
I don't expect a big group hug and go walking into the sunset, no sympathy or empathy here, for I have never lied or embellished an animal to make a sale.
It took 2 years to earn my mother's trust again, and I too left home at a very young age.
I think that we will never forget this ordeal, and maybe asking forgiveness of some, is never going to happen, trust comes slowly, he may never be what he once was, and maybe that's a good thing.
BTW Brett, it's nice to know that there are others like me!! If we all take this "one day at a time" things can get better and heal in time.

 

[pch101]

I can forgive Bill for his misdeeds, but I do not need to forget them in order to do that. I also do not need to trust him in order to forgive him, and I will most likely never trust him at his word ever again. This is due to the fact that for weeks now Bill has done nothing but lie. So basically, I have no problem figriving, but that does not mean that I need to put my trust in him... Forgiving and forgetting are two different things. Bill, I wish you well in your efforts to turn your life around..

 

[lizwinz]

I completely respect where you're coming from even though I don't agree.

I think for the most part I'm pretty understanding when people make honest mistakes but there's a line somewhere that dosen't allow for second chances. Maybe that's too harsh but it's just what I feel is right.

I honestly hope I'm wrong about Bill being able to turn things around, I just don't want anything to do with him...ever.

I'm thinking that the "second chance" that some are willing to give him isn't going to allow him to get away with much of anything (if he is so inclined) anyway...I don't want to speak for anyone here but I'm willing to bet that there wont be a "third chance" even from these forgiving souls...and there seems to be alot of people that will be watching his actions from now on, maybe I'm being "optimistic" now...well, at least I know where I got it from


--Liz

 

[lizwinz]

Can't edit my post...the above was supposed to be addressed to Laura

--Liz

 

[Lucille]

I'm sorry that I didn't send you your own private apology, but I didnt send no private apologies to no one sorry you feel left out

And then you wrote:


"I was kidding Take it easy, Im sorry words on a screen dont have sounds of laughter"


Bill, you are laughing? I do not think it funny. You wronged me personally, what do you mean you do not give out private apologies?

I really am beginning to doubt the many things you DID say to me privately, when you told me you were a Yale law graduate and all the rest of it. Have you ever had a conversation with anyone where you did not lie to them?

As a nurse, as a mother, as a person who genuinely likes and appreciates most people I meet, I WANT to be able to forgive you. But every time you open your mouth, Bill, you manage to say something else that makes me question your integrity.

Joking about the way you approach a person you have wronged is to me, evidence that this bid you made for public forgiveness is just so many words. If you had it in your heart to truly be forgiven you would be apologizing rather than making little jokes about why you are not doing so; or picking and choosing who you will apologize to.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I see this as his reaching up and I for one will reach down and lend a hand so long as he wants to do the right thing. This is the first step.

I disagree.

I believe Bill's most truthful post on this thread was how we perceived him a certain way before this thread due to our own notions of him. That he is no different now as before this started.

I would have to agree with him.

I will simple say; if you finally figured out that he told a lot of untruths before this happened and he told some whoppers during this thread, then why would after the fact be any different.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I really am beginning to doubt the many things you DID say to me privately, when you told me you were a Yale law graduate and all the rest of it. Have you ever had a conversation with anyone where you did not lie to them?

I would give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He had to be joking.

 

[DAND]

Bill,

I would like to believe that you are truly sorry for your actions and that this was an isolated incident that will never be repeated again. I guess only time will tell. You have a long road ahead of you and it may take even longer to convince some here. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and start climbing. Chances are you won't reach the height you had once achieved but that is what happens when one falls from grace. Good luck.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

After a week or so, being away from here (this site) I had time to think and I came back to apologize,And no offence, but you only have 2 choices here either you accept it or you dont.I'm not here to convince you of either, like I said yesterday "over time". I didn't expect anybody to greet me back with open arms. As for me trying to sell my snakes in chat, the person that brought that up wasn't even there, so what he got was 2nd hand info I was selling all 15 of my boas for 1700 to get out of this hobby,to people who said they were still my friends, and to Dan it saddens me that I have never done business with you in the past or will do so in the future but that will have to be something else I'll have to get over and to all of those that extended their hand up I Thank You I wont let you down again Thank you for your time Have a Great day

 

[Bill_Leverton]

and to Dan it saddens me that I have never done business with you in the past or will do so in the future but that will have to be something else I'll have to get over

Sorry Dan It should of read and to Brett it saddens me that I have never done business with you in the past or will do so in the future but that will have to be something else I'll have to get over

 

[The BoidSmith]

[QUOTE}And no offence, but you only have 2 choices here either you accept it or you dont.[/QUOTE]
Our third option Bill is to ignore it. And of all three it’s probably the best because most of us can’t accept it right now but it doesn’t mean we won’t in time. If I’m typing here and now is because I do care for you as a fellow human being. If I didn’t, well I would completely ignore you and won’t spend my time replying here. The worst we can do for you is pat you in the back and say “that’s OK Bill, we all make mistakes, welcome back”. Forgive and forget? With time and demonstrated true change maybe yes to the first one. Regrettably, the second one is a definite no.

 

[Casey Hulse]

I am wondering if Bill ever kept boas for the pure enjoyment of having them or has he always thought of them as a business venture. Why do you need to sell all of your animals?
I have always thought anyone who likes snakes, can't be all bad.

 

[pch101]

"and to all of those that extended their hand up I Thank You I wont let you down again Thank you for your time Have a Great day"

Uhh, don't you mean down, as in extended their hand down? I am sure it was just a slip of the tongue...

 

[Casey Hulse]

I have always thought anyone who likes snakes, can't be all bad.

The rest are in it just for the money

 

[Rockford]

Sorry Dan It should of read and to Brett it saddens me that I have never done business with you in the past or will do so in the future but that will have to be something else I'll have to get over

Well I am over it. And I am sure you won't have that hard of time getting over yourself. There are plenty of people that will give you a shot. I hope you do turn things around and don't let those trusting folks down. Life is alot better when you don't lie and cheat.

In all sincerity I do wish you the best Bill.

 

[DaveyFig]

In all sincerity I do wish you the best Bill.

This has been a roller coaster thread, and I can't say that I didn't feel the same a couple times in the begining of the thread. Which is why I couldn't even consider wishing a person like this "the best".
What if this thread ended after one page? Lee would be a bad guy, the thread would have fallen to the bottom of a pile.I joined in the reading a bit late , but would have put money on that being the same snake with the first group of pictures, without the enhancing and circling.Bill clowned Lee, and lied.This could have been the end of Lee...had it ended.
Luckily it didn't, and we got to see Bill "tell the truth" , then we got the "real truth" then the updated version of the real truth, and then the last chance real deal no BS this time truth...and then a bunch of other "truths". I don't even know which may have even come close to the actual truth. If some chose to believe bits and pieces, but not others, then there are MILLIONS of combinations that would lead to different opinions. That is what makes it easy for me to believe NOTHING he has said. Even the parts that make him look bad. I just don't believe it. Knowing he is a liar is good enough in my book. Which lies were truths and which were lies? Who cares? Pick the best evidence in Bills favor, and the worst evidence against him and guess what...He still is a liar. Not a good guy at all.
I think Bill deserves 10,000 times the frustration and heartache that Lee endured.
I think Bill deseves 100,000 times the dissapointment that everyone who backed him was slapped in the face with.
I think he deserves a helping even greater than that of the belittling and patronizing through "private emails" that some got. How stupid did he think you guys were? He must have thought SOMEONE would believe, and I would be embarassed to think that I could be on the receiving end of one of those mails.
I don't think Bill deserves half the entertainment that we got from watching him dance.It was like a duck on ice skates on a half frozen bowl of fruity pebbles, but end the end it wasn't supposed to be entertaining.It was a serious ordeal filled with lies and missleadings.
It is far too early for Bill to be making jokes, being sarcastic, and chumming it up.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

I think Bill deserves 10,000 times the frustration and heartache that Lee endured.
I think Bill deseves 100,000 times the dissapointment that everyone who backed him was slapped in the face with.
I think he deserves a helping even greater than that of the belittling and patronizing through "private emails" that some got. How stupid did he think you guys were?

Thing is Bill feels 100,000 times the frustration and heartache because he knows he did this to himself and nothing can undo it.

Bill also feels 1,000,000 times the dissapointment because in himself than any of us can because he knows he did it to himself and let down all of those who did support him.

What does he deserve? Heck he got it, he got knocked flat out, made of fool of and slapped down by his peers and the entire community and got it in all in public.


This was once said by a wise woman who will know who she is:

I hope, and think you would agree with me here (name deleted), that if someone picks themself up off of the floor, having got there themselves, and makes a true change, that they deserve the benefit of a second chance. And I further think that you yourself (name deleted) yes I am talking to you do not wriggle away, could be a powerful mentor should you choose.

So as I see it, Bill is trying really hard to pick him self up off the floor he put himself on, I want to see him make a true change and deserve the benefit of a second chance. And I think alot of members here can be a powerful mentor if they so choose.

 

[DaveyFig]

Thing is Bill feels 100,000 times the frustration and heartache because he knows he did this to himself and nothing can undo it..

He feels the frustration because he knows he is going to feel a pocket book pinch.I don't think he feels bad for what he did, I think he feels bad because others know what he did was wrong.

Bill also feels 1,000,000 times the dissapointment because in himself than any of us can because he knows he did it to himself and let down all of those who did support him.

Burning bridges tends to do that.

What does he deserve? Heck he got it, he got knocked flat out, made of fool of and slapped down by his peers and the entire community and got it in all in public.

He got nothing at all.He didn't get "knocked flat out".He got typed at meanly.Boo hoo. He wont get what he deserves until he tries to sell stuff again, and by forgiving so quickly, before he even produces the animals to sell, you are already setting up a man who has served no hard time(other than getting smack talked all to hell)for success. That is NOT what he deserves.

So as I see it, Bill is trying really hard to pick him self up off the floor he put himself on, I want to see him make a true change and deserve the benefit of a second chance. And I think alot of members here can be a powerful mentor if they so choose.

The thing is, Bill doesn't need a mentor. He knows right from wrong, as is aparent by his posts of the past. The stuff that made people think he was a good guy, remember that? He knows right from wrong, and doesn't need to be shown the light. He knows where the light is, and how to manipulate it. He chose to do what he did, knowing it was wrong.
I think the pause in horse beating before he started shill bidding was a second chance. I think he made another "second chance"for himself by using his girlfriends user name. He has had more second chances in this one ordeal than most get their whole time in the hobby.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

He got nothing at all.He didn't get "knocked flat out".He got typed at meanly.Boo hoo.

OK Dave, how many times did you or anyone else who posted here pick up a phone and call him and tell him what you think of him? hmmmmmm I think none (well at lest 1 did and I know who it was), I think all most did was type at him meanly. So no one is close enough to him to PHYSICALLY knock him out, but they sure did well with words and their new perception and feelings for Bill, if thats not good enough for you then boooo hoooo hoooo

as for the rest of your post, its 6 of that and half dozen of another based on perception only by each person.

I for one am all for picking up a phone and telling people what I think and feel, good or bad and my phone number like all others is posted for all that may need it on the GGC forum of they want to call me and tell me what they thin or feel.

You can't do but so much on a keyboard, emotion does not show through, true feelings, thoughts and opinions are often taken wrong due to perception by the writer being one thing and the reader being another, damn this internet, it can't feelings.....