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Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

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Hi all, I am writing this to warn everyone about Bill Leverton and to get peoples opinions on this situation. It all started on Thursday April 7th, when I received an email from Bill asking for a number so he can call me about a snake I wanted to buy from Dana Shield. Turns out he was also interested in this snake, but I had already put a deposit down on it. While talking to Bill on the phone he asked if I had anything for sale. I replied saying yes, I had a 05 DH ghost BCI I was selling. He immediately expressed interest. On April 10th Bill sent a $200 deposit via paypal to hold the snake while he traveled to Texas to visit a friend. On April 19th I received the remaining $175 and shipped the snake that same day. The package was delivered April 20th at 2:25 pm. That evening there is a message on my machine from Bill asking me to call him ASAP. When I called he explained to me that when he received the package there was a gaping hole in the side of the box and that there was no snake inside. After talking to UPS several times and getting nowhere I decided there was nothing I could do. I refunded the $200 deposit and explained to Bill that I would refund the remaining $175 in a couple of days when the money transfer to paypal was complete. On April 22nd Bill called me and told me to keep the $175. He explained that he didn't think that one person should take the hit of UPS's carelessness. I thanked him and told him he was a really nice guy. That was the last I talked to him.
On Sunday July 10th I am browsing reptileauction.com and saw Bill was selling a DH ghost male. Not thinking anything of it while I clicked on the auction, my jaw dropped as the picture appeared on my computer. I recognized it immediately. I told myself not to get ahead of myself while I was searching through my old photos on my digital camera card. As I compared my photos to the one he had on the auction, I realized I've been scammed. Here is the photo he has on auction
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and here are the photos I used when I had the snake for sale
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You tell me, is this the same snake or what?
I immediately emailed him this

"Bill, I am emailing you about the DH ghost you have listed on Reptibid.com. I feel as if I got scammed!!! I suggest you email me immediately with an explanation and resend the $200 I refunded you for this snake!!! If I don't hear from you soon, I am going to make sure everyone knows what kind of person you really are!!! Lee"

This is what I got in reply

"Lee,Im not sure I understand what your talking(typing)about How were you scammed??? Please explain....your saying that the Dh I have up is yours????? theres no way....please explain....Billy"

I replied with this

"The snake you have up for auction is identical to the one I sold you!!! I compared the photos, and the patterns are identical. Where did you get the snake if it is not the one I sold you? I think I am going to have to go to the BOI about this. Please don't make this worse than it already is. I am not playing games. Lee"

This snake is currently up from auction at the URL below

http://www.reptileauction.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl?category=b_snake_boas&item=1121435957

Any suggestions as to what I should do would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Lee
 
Well, the large joined saddle on the tails of these two snakes doesn't appear to match up to me. Are you sure it's the same snake?
 

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Lee,

Sorry but they do not look like the same snake and Im not even a snake person and its obvious to me, if you look at the tail the markings are not the same on the 6th band up from the tip of the tail, see pics below.
 

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Lee, upon looking at the 2 pictures I will say they do look alike except for the tail area ( between the 2 R's) Mine has a Arrow patch where yours doesn't so yes I do agree they seem similar but not the same.
 
I figured this would come up. Take into consideration the angle of the photos. I emailed bill this URL address. If this is not the same snake he will post more photos of it here.
 
Lee, its not the same snake, you can tell by bands on the tail, it doesn't matter what angle they are taken at, they are not the same, the OBVIOUS arrow on Bills snake is pointing towards the head of the snake and the marking on your snake is not the same arrow and is pointing towards the tail, so there is no need for Bill to post more pics, but you should apologize to him for this thread.
 
Not the same snake. Not only does the distinctive tail saddle not match but the rest of the saddles on the snake do not seem to match also.

In my transaction with Bill, I found him to be completely honest, represented his animals well, and he went way above and beyond when a slight hiccup beyond his control occured.
 
Lee, its NOT the same snake, the direction the bands point and their shape is NOT the same!
 

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Lee I would love to set your mind at ease Trust me but I sold my digi and really have no way to prove this other then my word ......but what I do find odd is that the tail on yours is brown to the tip while mine has a black tip
 
Bill could post pictures from 20 different angles....the pattern would still be the same, that's a very definite marking, and clearly different.

What do I think you should do? Apologize for jumping the gun, and learn from this mistake......
 
I also would like to vouch for Bill, it is unthinkable to me that he would be anything but honest and above board. He is a terrific person, he has helped out in the auctions a couple times, and all my dealings and conversations with him have left me with the conviction that he is a man of integrity.
 
The snake looks very similar to me, and the angle of pic could account for the difference in the direction that the distinctive tail marking (#6) seems to be pointing. Also the following saddles 7, 8, 9, and 10 seem to match up as the last of the typical tail markings on both snakes. And then #10 matches up as the first of the typical back saddles on both snakes. Also there are very similar markings between the 16th and 17th saddles (mesured up from the tail) on the side of the snakes that seem to match, and there is another distinctive marking on the 19th saddle that seems to match as well. The over all count also matches too. I definitely feel more photos are in order. If Bill does not have a digital cam, then I would reccomend just borrowing one. I am not making any big claims, but there sure a lot of coincidences here.
 

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That all being said, I thing the term scammer in the title of this thread is very premature and should NOT be there in this situation where you are asking our opinions as to weather we feel this is the same snake or not.
 
They looked similar to me at first glance, and I don't know snake at all and don't even know what BCI means but when I started counting from the tail towards the head the "band" #6 does not batch in its shape or the direction it is pointing and #7,8,9 and 10 that follow do not have the same shape or direction either.
 
"They looked similar to me at first glance, and I don't know snake at all and don't even know what BCI means but when I started counting from the tail towards the head the "band" #6 does not batch in its shape or the direction it is pointing and #7,8,9 and 10 that follow do not have the same shape or direction either."

Good point Wendy.
However, as I mentioned, the angle of the pic could definitely account for such differences. You must remember that you are looking at lines on a curved surface from different angles. They will bend depending on which way you are looking at them and how extreme that angle is will obviously affect things.
 
Clearwater_Reptiles said:
Lee I would love to set your mind at ease Trust me but I sold my digi and really have no way to prove this other then my word ......but what I do find odd is that the tail on yours is brown to the tip while mine has a black tip
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Bill maybe you can help Lee by telling him the origin of your snake.
 
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