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Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

Wendy,

With your good guy vote, you are staking your reputation that people will get good guy service and more from Bill. Is this an accurate conclusion? Especially after everything that has happened everything that votes good guy (business respect) is saying that: "Youn can't go wrong with Bill"

In general there are 3 options out there: vote good, vote bad, or don't vote/delete your vote. If you are neutral or things have happened to pull you towards the center then option 3 is the way to go. It is more then black and white.
 
Jim O said:
Sam,

Had someone sent me that e-mail I would have posted it too, once the 21st of the month passed and it was clear that events did not play out as Bill claimed that they would. It was more than pertinent to this thread. Bill may have a right to privacy but he has no right to *expect* that something that he publishes on the web and asks Wendy to distribute would be kept private for long. In fact, Dennis Thomas agreed that he would have posted this had someone not already done so, and he was one of the orignal intended recipients.

Now here's a novel idea...if this thread bores you, stop reading it.
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Your choice Jim, and had you posted it, I would have felt the same way.

It isn't anything personally against Davey, for all I know he may be a hell of a guy, and i have a high amount of respect for you, but that doesn't mean I would have thought it was a good move by you or anyone else.

My opinion, last I checked I'm entitled to have one.....

And thanks for the concern about what does or doesn't bore me, it's a slow day, it's hot outside and I want to see how long this thread can actually get long after the original parties involved have stopped adding to it....... :raspberry
 
If you are suggesting that I am disshonorable for posting it, I think you are out of line. I did what I felt was right for the community, and posted information that was made available to me. Everyone on the BOI now knows what was going on behind the scenes to hush some major players. Those people chose to respect the request by Bill not to make it public until he did. He didn't post it.How long would they have stayed quiet?He didn't need more time. He needed to stop lieing. My timing for posting could not have been better. I am not saying that those people were deceived, I don't think any of them are that stupid. I think the attempted deceptiion was there.
 
The truth came out, reagardless of the source. It sure wasn't going to come out from certain parties obviously. Though they should have been the first to mention it.
 
DaveyFig said:
If you are suggesting that I am disshonorable for posting it, I think you are out of line. I did what I felt was right for the community, and posted information that was made available to me. Everyone on the BOI now knows what was going on behind the scenes to hush some major players. Those people chose to respect the request by Bill not to make it public until he did. He didn't post it.How long would they have stayed quiet?He didn't need more time. He needed to stop lieing. My timing for posting could not have been better. I am not saying that those people were deceived, I don't think any of them are that stupid. I think the attempted deceptiion was there.
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Not suggesting anything Davey, my little note said what I thought of your posting that e-mail. Like you said, "they chose to respect the request". "How long would they have stayed quiet?" I don't know, but it was their choice to make.

As I said earlier, for all I know you may be a hell of a guy, but it was still, in my opinion, a dickhead move to post an e-mail that wasn't intended for you.

Now as for whomever sent that e-mail to you to post, because they didn't have the balls to post it themselves, well I can't even post my opinion on what I think of them without breaking a rule or two here on the BOI.....
 
Gecko_Den said:
My opinion, last I checked I'm entitled to have one.....
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Yes you are. Last I checked opinions were like...well you know...everyone has one.
 
dragonflyreptiles said:
So bascially, Will I desert my friends on the worst day for whatever it may be that they did, when they need the above? No
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Sorry, Wendy. But what a load. The GGC has nothing to do with friendship.

You want to maintain your friendship, then by all means. I will think nothing less of you for doing so. We all have friends that may not be the most repected citizen on the block. That is really irrelevant to the GGC.

To keep your vote Positive is telling people (particularly new people to this hobby) that YOU PERSONALLY believe that Bill is 100% trustworthy to do business with. You are backing Bills business with that vote. Not his friendship.
 
Thanks a lot...

Gecko_Den said:
If anything, I can see a lot of things much clearer now......
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for getting that stupid song stuck in my head now! :raspberry

I don't think either Bill or Lee will be back so we're just getting horse guts on our boots. Lambasting Wendy isn't the right thing to do either. You gotta admit if you want someone who will always be on your side you can't do wrong with her. She's sticking by her guns and, by golly, I respect her for that.

Bill is a 'tard for treating her like that and putting her in a untenable position and allowing her to take the flak for it. Shame on you, Bill.
 
dragonflyreptiles said:
OK guys look at it this way 98% of the neg votes are from people who never had a transaction with Bill so they voted based on their personal feelings about the business deal with Lee, I voted based on my actual transactions with Bill himself before I ever knew who the heck he was.
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I voted on the "Big Picture" concerning Clearwater Reptiles business dealings.... not one small aspect of a goof auction.
 
The trader rating is there for a reason. Rep power is there for a reason. And so on. Some are connetced others aren't. If I like a post from Member X, do I give him a trader rating? Umm , no. I can't dictate to anyone how to sue them but some are appropriate for certain things. Others aren't. Sometimes it is hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff. You can stand by a friend and should. But a good friend will be the most honest and truthful to you, regardless if its what you want to hear or not.
 
One good thing about having friends like Bill is that you don't have to worry about him coming down hard on you when you slip up. Who is he to judge? You would always have something to hang over his head if he tried to knock you for a bad decision. All he would ever be able to add is support. Surely he has no business condemning anyone.
 
I think rep power is an excellent tool, I will say I am one who very rarely gives out negative points, I try to look for the positive things to point out.

That's a BIG reason I've tried to stay out of this thread.....there are so many things that a person has said that I would give positive points to, and then they turn around and say something I strongly disagree with.....this whole thread has left me very conflicted about a lot of things, as well as people.

I DID, however, give bthacker negative points, because I thought it was uncalled for for him to infer that Wendy was "hard up" for friends.....and he sends negative points back calling me an "f-ing idiot" for giving him the points. Sigh....I think the whole rep points thing is a misunderstood tool by some, I dunno.

I just think this whole thread has simply become so far off from the original purpose of posting it, that it's become just sad. No matter how much anyone here wants to argue their point.....by this time, if you haven't changed any minds, you aren't going to. Bickering amongst ourselves isn't going to make anything that was done change....if we could at least try discussing things such as the GGC in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner (as SOME posters already have, but some just seem to be here to keep stirring the pot), it may serve a useful purpose yet. Name calling and insults aren't going to help ANYONE. The facts are there....what we do with them is up to each of us.
 
Cat_72 said:
I think rep power is an excellent tool, I will say I am one who very rarely gives out negative points, I try to look for the positive things to point out.

That's a BIG reason I've tried to stay out of this thread.....there are so many things that a person has said that I would give positive points to, and then they turn around and say something I strongly disagree with.....this whole thread has left me very conflicted about a lot of things, as well as people.

I DID, however, give bthacker negative points, because I thought it was uncalled for for him to infer that Wendy was "hard up" for friends.....and he sends negative points back calling me an "f-ing idiot" for giving him the points. Sigh....I think the whole rep points thing is a misunderstood tool by some, I dunno.

I just think this whole thread has simply become so far off from the original purpose of posting it, that it's become just sad. No matter how much anyone here wants to argue their point.....by this time, if you haven't changed any minds, you aren't going to. Bickering amongst ourselves isn't going to make anything that was done change....if we could at least try discussing things such as the GGC in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner (as SOME posters already have, but some just seem to be here to keep stirring the pot), it may serve a useful purpose yet. Name calling and insults aren't going to help ANYONE. The facts are there....what we do with them is up to each of us.
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FACTS that no one can bicker on:

Wendy is good
Cathy is good
Lucille is VERY good heh

Send us all good rep points. :D
And please, be mindful of the nature of our small, fragile community; there are so many laws, prejudices, and so on conspiring to do reptile owners in, let's keep ourselves strong by being kind and decent whenever we can. Yes, we have to call out the scammers and bad guys, but for the rest of us, let's show respect, if not affection, for one another........ :)
 
"Your choice Jim, and had you posted it, I would have felt the same way.

It isn't anything personally against Davey, for all I know he may be a hell of a guy, and i have a high amount of respect for you, but that doesn't mean I would have thought it was a good move by you or anyone else."

Sam, I am curious if you would have sent D. Thomas negative points for posting the e-mail as well. Just asking. I mean no offense.
 
pch101 said:
"Your choice Jim, and had you posted it, I would have felt the same way.

It isn't anything personally against Davey, for all I know he may be a hell of a guy, and i have a high amount of respect for you, but that doesn't mean I would have thought it was a good move by you or anyone else."

Sam, I am curious if you would have sent D. Thomas negative points for posting the e-mail as well. Just asking. I mean no offense.
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Was it originally sent to him? If not, then yes I would have done the same thing.

I don't leave rep points because I like or dislike a person. I leave them if I agree or disagree with a post. I have left good and bad for the same people before, it's not a popularity contest. ;)
 
OK Sam, just want to be sure that I have this straight ..

You say in your last post, as a matter of explanation about your criteria for awarding rep points:
I don't leave rep points because I like or dislike a person. I leave them if I agree or disagree with a post.
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Last time I checked, the options as written to award rep points were "especially good post" for positive points, or "particularly bad post" for negative points. It is certainly your prerogative to adopt a standard that may not be specifically indicated. I have no problem with your logic in feeling it was not proper to release the email .... I would have posted it, but this is just a disagreement between entities here. I also commend you for coming forward and saying it was you, as the original recipient was not of a high enough paid level membership to see it automatically. That was very stand-up! My only problem is that you said in one post that it wasn't personal, and yet you used the work "dickhead", whether to describe the individual, or that it was a "dickhead post". Adjectives that appear ad-hominim do often take the objectivity out of things, and make them personal. While you may have chastised Dennis if he had been the one to post it, as you say you would have, I will speculate that you would not have referred to him as a "dickhead", and if I recall one other post, assigned to him the motivations of wanting to "grandstand" (quoted because I am paraphrasing, and do not remember your exact characterization, except that is how I summarized it).
The record shows that I gave you positive rep points somewhere in this thread. I can guarantee you that it was not just because I agreed with you on whatever post it was, but that because I thought you made an especially good point and presented it well.

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company, LLC
 
Was it originally sent to him? If not, then yes I would have done the same thing.
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I thought that it was that fact that I shared an email that was privately sent to others that made my posting it wrong. I thought the violation of privacy was the issue.
Dennis was one of the ones that the email was sent to, and in the email, he was asked not to post it. Would it not be less acceptable for him to post it? After all, it is the same information, but I was asked to not share it. Why would it be different if one of the chosen 6, or Wendy had posted instead of me?
 
I'm just glad that Daniel Ellsberg felt as he did about "The Pentagon Papers". There are times when the public has a right to know that supercedes someone else's concern for privacy.
 
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