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Bad Guy Boamaster (Mark Venhorst)

mxracer4life said:
I was under the impression he had offered you a pair of DH Sunglows. According to his current prices, they are $125 each. With shipping included thats a $300 value. How much did you pay for your 3 snakes without shipping? Do you have a paypal statement or anything to back up the amount you paid?
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Lets not forget the price of ALL the vet bills as well. :thumbsup: Also, like mentioned above, the last thing many people would want is a replacement from someone who sent you dying animals in the first place...
 
bullies&balls said:
Lets not forget the price of ALL the vet bills as well. :thumbsup: Also, like mentioned above, the last thing many people would want is a replacement from someone who sent you dying animals in the first place...
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I have been in a position to take a replacement animal that I did not need or want. I think most of us have at some point.
 
No he offered me one dh sunglow and one het albino. I was supposed to pay shipping for those snakes. I paid $550 for all of the snakes without shipping. With shipping it was over $700. I do have paypal receipts.
 
Not quite sure why people keep bringing up the deal "to good to be true" seriously she got these snakes from a guy that has been around for a long,long time that makes some beautiful cages. I would have trusted his word just for the fact that he has been around for a long time and deep into the reptile world not someone in and out of the reptile world.

Personally I am in the market for some new cages and am seriously watching what happens with this thread to help me decided who deserves my hard earned money.

Again Allison I am so sorry you lost 3 snakes. How very sad after all the vets visits you went through with them. V/R Paige
 
apreske said:
No he offered me one dh sunglow and one het albino. I was supposed to pay shipping for those snakes. I paid $550 for all of the snakes without shipping. With shipping it was over $700. I do have paypal receipts.
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I was understanding it as he had tried a couple ways to make you happy and it wasn't good enough. It got too the point where it was going to be one thing, or nothing at all. I myself would never want to burn a bridge down when money/animals are owed.

I would like to see that paypal receipt if you don't mind.
 
No he just offered me the two baby snakes, he didn't offer me anything else. I just wanted my money back, not more snakes and risk them being sick as well. I'll post the paypal receipts later on today.
 
I sent Mark the vet bills the same day I posted them on here. He still hasn't made any effort to contact me. I just want to throw that out there.
 
apreske said:
No he just offered me the two baby snakes, he didn't offer me anything else. I just wanted my money back, not more snakes and risk them being sick as well. I'll post the paypal receipts later on today.
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Thank you.

If someone's terms of service states that they will replace animal with a proper one or refund by choice, it leaves the door open for something to be done about the problem. I believe Mark would of helped you out. Did you talk to him on the phone or did Joseph?
 
Joseph talked to him on the phone before we took the snakes to the vet. It was a friendly conversation. There weren't any bad words exchanged. He agreed to send us the two snakes. After we went to the vet we called him back and he said he was busy and to send him an email. I did send an email but in the email (which I posted on here) I stated that I wanted a monetary refund for the het albino and the hypo because we were paying for the vet bills. We spent over $1000 on 3 snakes that didn't even live a month. He also didn't inform us that he was a flipper. I had no idea. He acted like he'd owned these snakes for awhile. If I would have known that I wouldn't have bought from him.
 
apreske said:
Joseph talked to him on the phone before we took the snakes to the vet. It was a friendly conversation. There weren't any bad words exchanged. He agreed to send us the two snakes. After we went to the vet we called him back and he said he was busy and to send him an email. I did send an email but in the email (which I posted on here) I stated that I wanted a monetary refund for the het albino and the hypo because we were paying for the vet bills. We spent over $1000 on 3 snakes that didn't even live a month. He also didn't inform us that he was a flipper. I had no idea. He acted like he'd owned these snakes for awhile. If I would have known that I wouldn't have bought from him.
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It's hard to believe that these 3 snakes died because of Mark. When you looked them over when you got them, if there was something that was going to require vet attention within 3 weeks it would have showed up then. Snakes are slow to get sick and slow to heal. Unless there is something in there current environment that could speed up the process.
 
I'm not saying it was Mark, but he sold me the snakes regardless. It could have been from the person he bought them from. The conditions and temperatures they are in are what they are supposed to be. I clean cages everyday. Every snake has a heating pad at the right temperature. They are fed once a week. I don't know what I could have done to make them as sick as they were.
 
apreske said:
I'm not saying it was Mark, but he sold me the snakes regardless. It could have been from the person he bought them from. The conditions and temperatures they are in are what they are supposed to be. I clean cages everyday. Every snake has a heating pad at the right temperature. They are fed once a week. I don't know what I could have done to make them as sick as they were.
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Without having pictures of your caging or the snakes its impossible for all of us to know. You keep saying they are all at the correct temp. What kind of temps are they at on each side of cage? Humidity? How much did you handle each one or attempt to feed?
 
mxracer4life said:
Without having pictures of your caging or the snakes its impossible for all of us to know. You keep saying they are all at the correct temp. What kind of temps are they at on each side of cage? Humidity? How much did you handle each one or attempt to feed?
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Maybe I missed something here, but I'm not sure it is really related to the three snakes that died anyway. I'm thinking what are the odds of those particular 3 snakes dying and the rest not dying if all conditions are the same? See what I mean. The chances those 3 animals being the ones to die if all other circumstances are equal would be something like me being able to roll snake eyes on a pair of dice (or perhaps 3 dice) repeatedly for x-amount of times. Once, no big deal. Twice - wow, pretty weird. Thrice - the dice are loaded.
 
I'll post pictures of our cages. We keep the smaller snakes in a rack system. The breeding snakes go in custom cages that we build. Joseph usually does the temperatures. I think the hot side is 85-90 depending on if they are shedding or if they just ate. The other side is usually room temp. which is around 70-80. For humidity we put some moss in the cages. That's usually only when they are shedding though. We also soak them in water for a little while once a week. We handled them a little bit. We wanted them to acclimated to there new environments. We successfully fed the hypo once. The second week we had her she vomited and we took her to the vet. The het albino ate once then vomited. We had to take her to the vet to be force fed.
 
Yeah, I think the time has well passed for giving Mark the benefit of the doubt here. I mean what else were they suppossed to do for these animals, hire a masseuse? It takes a lot longer than a few weeks for a snake to get to the point where a decent vet would want to force-feed it.
 
akonitony said:
Maybe I missed something here, but I'm not sure it is really related to the three snakes that died anyway. I'm thinking what are the odds of those particular 3 snakes dying and the rest not dying if all conditions are the same? See what I mean. The chances those 3 animals being the ones to die if all other circumstances are equal would be something like me being able to roll snake eyes on a pair of dice (or perhaps 3 dice) repeatedly for x-amount of times. Once, no big deal. Twice - wow, pretty weird. Thrice - the dice are loaded.
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This could be true. But we don't know that. We aren't there with the snakes, we don't know the conditions of the cages AS the snakes were in it. We don't know the true temps/humidity.

All I am saying is, as of right now there is no proof that shows any of us who is in the wrong here. And I have a hunch it will stay that way. I don't think there is any proof that could be posted at this point to prove anything.

But I do hope this thread helps everyone reading this too see how important it is to document everything, take pictures etc.
 
I can't really prove the temps or how much I clean the cages, etc. But I proved that they were very very sick and it wasn't because of how we were treating them. We gave them the best care we could. I can only give you my word that everything I have posted on here is 100% the truth. I wouldn't write this about somebody if it wasn't true. If people don't believe me I can't really do anything about that. I really appreciate the people that do believe me.
 
apreske said:
I can't really prove the temps or how much I clean the cages, etc. But I proved that they were very very sick and it wasn't because of how we were treating them. We gave them the best care we could. I can only give you my word that everything I have posted on here is 100% the truth. I wouldn't write this about somebody if it wasn't true. If people don't believe me I can't really do anything about that. I really appreciate the people that do believe me.
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Don't sweat..some people need to reread the thread from the beginning. I have sold animals that "were not eating" and they have been turned around by the buyers and full disclosure was given prior to the sale. If those animals had later been found to have terminal diseases that I did not know of, I would have refunded the buyer.

In this case, the seller did basically the same thing except he admits that the snake was ILL.

Everyone loves a deal, and sellers/breeders do not always want to cull an animal so they will sell a non-feeder cheaper...but it is unethical (IMO) to sell a KNOWN ill animal regardless of whether or not that was disclosed.

To the greedy buyer looking for a deal and thinking it's "not so bad," that's tantamount to putting liquor in front of an alky...:ack2:
 
mxracer4life said:
Without having pictures of your caging or the snakes its impossible for all of us to know. You keep saying they are all at the correct temp. What kind of temps are they at on each side of cage? Humidity? How much did you handle each one or attempt to feed?
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Sorry, but this was already discussed and if you think a HEALTHY animal will die in that amount of time, you are sadly mistaken. Even an animal with the beginnings of an illness would be hard pressed to pass in that amount of time.

These animals were NOT a LITTLE sick, but were DEATHLY ILL when shipped out !!
 
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