Bad Guy Boamaster (Mark Venhorst)

[Payara]

Thats what is wrong with this site. Its all opinion, you have proved nothing. No emails, no vet work, no receipts, only slander against someones name.

I'm just curious, what exactly is wrong with this site? Almost all the legit BOI threads have proof, actually I don't recalling seeing one without proof. Just give the OP some time to sort through the emails and post her vet findings. All she asked for was what people thought of situation...

 

[ShadowAceD]

I'm just curious, what exactly is wrong with this site? Almost all the legit BOI threads have proof, actually I don't recalling seeing one without proof. Just give the OP some time to sort through the emails and post her vet findings. All she asked for was what people thought of situation...

Personally, I do not think anyone should be posting a Bad Guy thread on the BOI without all their proof lined up and ready to go. While the situation very well may be exactly what the OP says it is, without proof of this, it is just text on a screen without anything legit to back it up. In having people just sit and wait for the proof, that is when things tend to get out of hand because it is all left up to speculation and nothing more.

That aside ... if the animals truly were as bad off as they were, no, they should not have been shipped in that condition. Still, the OP knew there were problems with at least one of the animals, unless I am misreading this, and should not have accepted them anyway on that basis alone. When that happens, people open themselves up to whatever negative consequences come about as a result.

Still, pictures, e-mails and vet. paperwork are pretty vital to this thread at this point, but I am curious about some inconsistencies in what the OP has said.

He said the jungle was eating consistently and that she was a little underweight. We bought her too for some reason.

The jungle was very sick and she died a week after we got her. I paid $120 for her. He did inform us of her health although he dummed down her problems a lot.

The bold part concerns me for the simple fact it seems like you just compulsively wanted the animal due to the fact it was cheap and really paid it no other mind than that.

Anyway ...


Initially, you said he mentioned she was a little underweight, if she was a breeding animal, I would expect that it was due to her giving birth. However, that is not really a health issue on its own. But, in the next part I quoted, you stated that he did inform you the animal was sick but made the problem seem less important than it was. So, which one was it?

Personally, if you you recieved two animals you knew were sick (the Jungle and the Het. Albino), you should not get your money back for them. Was it wrong on the seller's part? Absolutely, but him even admitting anything was wrong with them should have been a red flag from the get go.

My other question is why you waited to long to take any of the animals to the vet. if you were that concerned about their health? You state that the het. albino all of a sudden has a swollen mouth and throat due to becoming septic, but I am curious as to if there were any other signs of issues before that. Also, the mouth rot in the Hypo, there had to be signs before your decision to bring it to the vet. because by the time it infects the lungs because mouth rot tends to be a secondary issue in an amimal, and has been present and untreated for some time before it gets to that point.

I am not trying to attack the OP, I just want some of these things clarified, which is why the pics, e-mails and vet. reports are so important to this thread because it can clear up a lot of these "what if's" and the like.

 

[apreske]

Ok...the hypo really didn't show any signs of being sick when we first got her. He did not say the jungle was sick, he said that she was a little underweight. He greatly understated her problems. We thought we could turn her around so we fed her a meal and she did eat it. A couple days later she died. We don't know what happened. The het albino just had the lump which I was guessing was a swollen scent gland like Mark said. I posted earlier why I didn't take them to the vet earlier. I understand that you want proof. I'll post the emails back and forth between us today. If I was lying about this whole thing it would reflect poorly on me and it would back fire, so would I waste my time with it. I'm telling the truth and it is backfiring on me anyway. I'll do what I can turn your opinions around. Like I said before we only discussed the health of the animals on the phone not through email so I don't have proof of that. All I have are the conversations that occurred afterwards.

 

[apreske]

Sorry for bothering you again. Am I picking up the snakes from the Fed ex in Evansville, IN? I don't remember giving you my address.

--- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mark Venhorst <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Mark Venhorst <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 8:50 AM

should have gotten it

thanks
mark venhorst
1-540-529-0976


-----Original Message-----
From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300

Can you send me a tracking # for the snakes whenever you ship them?

Thanks,

Joseph

--- On Tue, 5/17/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 4:25 PM

Yes do give me. A call first though please. 15405290976
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From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300

Alright, I'll take them for $450+$160 shipping. How do you want me to pay? I can send you the money today via paypal.

--- On Tue, 5/17/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 4:04 PM

No that's 250 for the hypo and 200 for the het albino that's cheap
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From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300

Are you sure you can't come down more on the price? I'm not trying to offend you, I'm just trying to save money where I can.

Thanks,

Joseph

--- On Tue, 5/17/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 3:25 PM

160 to ship them fed x
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From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:14:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300

Ok, what time zone are you in? I live in Evansville, Indiana it's 7:13 pm right now. What's your phone number?

--- On Mon, 5/16/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 7:04 PM

Sure call me after 830 tonight
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From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:21:35 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300

If I got the het albino female and this snake could you cut me a deal?

--- On Sun, 5/15/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 6:14 PM

Some ?
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From: [email protected]
To: Mark Venhorst
Subject: Message about: 2007 ADULT HYPO FEMALE #411 $300
Sent: May 15, 2011 5:22 PM

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I'm interested if you would go down on the price.

Thanks,

Joesph

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These emails prove that he didn't inform me that the prices were lowered because of their health issues. He didn't inform me that the het albino even had a problem until Joseph called him and talked to him on the phone.

 

[apreske]

Friday, May 20, 2011 6:09 PM
From: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>View contact details
To: [email protected]
Hi, this is Joseph. I recently purchased a het albino female, a hypo female, and a jungle female. I'm happy with the hypo but the other two snakes I am disappointed with. The female jungle is really sick and she is mean. The female het albino will require surgery for the inflamed scent gland. I would really like to exchange those snakes for different one's or just get my money back. I don't know what your policy on returns is but let me know what you want to do.

Thanks,

Joseph

This email proves that I did email him on the May the 20th (the day after we got the snakes) and said that I wasn't happy with the het albino and jungle and that I would like to have a refund of some kind. Which I wasn't given.

 

[apreske]

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Re:Friday, May 20, 2011 8:09 PM
From: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>View contact details
To: [email protected]
You specified that what the het albino had was not serious in any way and she needs medical attention and most likely surgery. You said the jungle was not eating. She is definitely sick and her problem is way more serious than not eating. We can't even handle her. What we paid for these snakes we will pay double in vet bills. I'm sorry about how everything happened but I cannot keep these snakes. I would like to get other snakes from you if we can.

Thanks,

Joesph
--- On Fri, 5/20/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re:
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:35 PM

Well I spoke to you on the conditions of the animals and completely disclosed all details ahead of time . ?and also the price u paid was reduced as a result of .
thanks mark
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[apreske]

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Please hear me out.Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:30 PM
From: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>View contact details
To: [email protected]
This is Joseph, I bought 3 snakes from you a month ago. I bought the jungle, het albino, and hypo breed ready females. The jungle died a week after we got her, she was very sick. The het albino has the scent gland problem which you informed us of (and I appreciate that). That needs vet attention but she also has a really bad respiratory infection. Her mouth is extremely swollen and we are taking her to the vet tommorow. The hypo also has a bad respiratory infection that needs vet attention. None the snakes would eat once they got here. I can send you pictures of the sick snakes mouths if you need me too. I have 30 plus snakes and none of them have ever had respiratory infections. I sent you over $700 for these snakes. I honestly feel like I was ripped off. That was a lot of money to spend and now I have to spend a lot more just to get them healthy again. I'm not trying to cause problems, I just want to work this out. Please email me so we can resolve this.

Thanks,

Joseph

 

[apreske]

--- On Tue, 6/14/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please hear me out.
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:33 PM

Call me. 15405290976
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From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Please hear me out.

This is Joseph, I bought 3 snakes from you a month ago. I bought the jungle, het albino, and hypo breed ready females. The jungle died a week after we got her, she was very sick. The het albino has the scent gland problem which you informed us of (and I appreciate that). That needs vet attention but she also has a really bad respiratory infection. Her mouth is extremely swollen and we are taking her to the vet tommorow. The hypo also has a bad respiratory infection that needs vet attention. None the snakes would eat once they got here. I can send you pictures of the sick snakes mouths if you need me too. I have 30 plus snakes and none of them have ever had respiratory infections. I sent you over $700 for these snakes. I honestly feel like I was ripped off. That was a lot of money to spend and now I have to spend a lot more just to get them healthy again. I'm not trying to cause problems, I just want to work this out. Please email me so we can resolve this.

Thanks,

Joseph

 

[apreske]

Joseph's AddressThursday, June 16, 2011 10:25 PM
From: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>View contact details
To: [email protected]
When we went to the vet today things are way worse than I originally thought.

Het albino:
The "scent gland" problem you said she had was an abscess and it was left on there for so long that it infected her whole body and she is what the vet called septic. And that "calico" coloration that you put on her ad is actually a permanent fungal infection that she got from that abscess. She is dehydrated and weak and she has been sick a long time. She may not live.

Hypo:
She has pnuemonia in her lungs, she has mouth rott, and she is also really dehydrated and weak. She has obviously also been sick for a long time. She may not live either.

So this is where I stand. I just put $400 in them today and this is just the first visit. When you sold me these snakes you sold them under false pretenses. You didn't know the conditions the snakes were really in but you sold them to me anyway. Since you sent me three really sick snakes I think you knew exactly what you were doing, which is passing the burden onto someone else. I bought these snakes because they were "healthy, breed ready boas". What I bought was a lie. I want every cent that I gave you back. I paid you $650 for these snakes and I want $650 back. I don't want any more snakes from you, I want money. I'm about to pay for these snakes twice and take care of them like you should have done because I actually care about my snakes. When we talked yesterday I thought they weren't in this bad of condition so I thought that a couple of snakes would make up the difference. That is not the case anymore, not anywhere close.

I don't think this is out of the question for me to ask of you since I got the really shitty end of the deal. I am paying way more money than you ever did for these snakes. I'm just asking for the money that I gave you for these snakes back. The way you sold me these snakes was fraudulent. If the image of your business is so important to you than maybe you should take care of your snakes and sell healthy ones to your customers. I'm not giving you my address because all you should need from me is my paypal info (which is the same as my email address) so you can send me my money back.

I would like to hear feed back and your opinion on this issue. I want this resolved and over with so I can get on with my life. I didn't ask for this and if you aren't happy with the outcome than you shouldn't have sold these snakes to me or to anyone else period.

Thanks,

Joseph


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Re: Joseph's AddressFriday, June 17, 2011 10:51 AM
From: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>View contact details
To: [email protected]
They aren't threats. I'm just not going to let you get away with ripping me off. I have proof that I sent you an email the day after I got them saying that I wasn't happy with the het albino and the jungle. At the time the hypo hadn't shown signs of being unhealthy. I can send you the email if you want.

--- On Fri, 6/17/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Joseph's Address
To: "Allison Preske" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 17, 2011, 10:38 AM

Rock on w your threats
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From: Allison Preske <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
To: Mark Venhorst<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Joseph's Address

I did in fact email you within 24 hours of their arrival stating that I could not accept the snakes in the condition they were in. I thought they were unhealthy when I first saw them! You did not respond. I also tried calling you and you didn't pick up your phone. When I found out that they were this sick I made contact with you again to try to get my money back because I deserve to get it back. I didn't want to take this to the Board of Inquiry on Fauna Classifieds but it looks like I might have to. You did not clearly state that they were sick at all! If they were, I obviously wouldn't have bought them! This fits in perfectly with your terms of sale. I will be sending you the official vet papers when I get them. I am not a liar and I am telling you the truth. These snakes were in poor condition when I bought them (without my knowledge of it), way before you even shipped them to me. What you did state was that the het albino has a swollen scent gland (which was false) and that it wasn't serious and that some of your snakes got those and that they eventually went away (which is also false, the abscess needed to have medication and the infection throughout her whole body could have been prevented if it was taken care of when she first got it). You didn't say that ANYTHING was wrong with the hypo. She is more sick than the het albino. She has pnuemonia and mouth rott. She is weak and dehydrated just like the het albino. If you have been in this business for 10 years than you should have known that these snakes were sick and YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE SOLD THEM. I do apologize that my last message might have been a little aggressive but I am very frustrated with this whole situation. I should be given a full refund, I probably won't get one, but that's life. I will tell other people about this experience so that they don't make the same mistake I did, which is buying snakes from you.

Joseph

--- On Fri, 6/17/11, Mark Venhorst <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Mark Venhorst <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Joseph's Address
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, June 17, 2011, 7:46 AM

wow what a change in attitude!

1st here is my terms off my website on animals

BOAMASTER TERMS OF SALE
ANIMAL DETAILS
I guarantee the sex to be true.
You have time of inspection if picking up or I’ll give you 24 hrs if shipped to check,for any problems with your animal.
I will replace the animal with a proper one if possible or refund my choice.
I guarantee your animal to healthy at time of sale (unless disclosed).
I can disclose eating habits and environmental requirements if needed.
I do not keep individual feeding and shed cards on all animals.
I guarantee all animals sold as 100% hets to be true.
I will make amendments to fix the situation, if one arises about genetics and or sexing.


2nd i agreed to help you out since you did have issues even though its is clearly out of the expressed terms.

3rd now you accuse me of purposly screwin you
that i did not do sir --i've been dealing for 10 years --clean record
and i felt bad for you and tried to replace some of the animals for you .


4th i described the 3 animals in detail before you bought them.

5th you'd like an end --goodbye sir
i will not help anyone that clearly does not wish to be helped.



thanks
mark venhorst
1-540-529-0976

 

[apreske]

Those are all of the emails I have. Hopefully that is enough for you guys to go off of. Like I said before, if I wasn't serious I wouldn't have put my time and effort into putting this on here. I just wanted people's opinion on the matter and I also wanted to get the story out there so that people would know what happened when I was dealing with this guy. This is 100% the truth. All I have on the vet papers so far is the receipt of the medications that were bought for the hypo and the het albino. We are supposed to go back on Monday and get the official papers. I will post them on here as soon as I get them.

 

[bullies&balls]

She said she was told the het had a swollen gland and was soaking as was instructed. Once at the vet was told it was an old abcess and was septic.

On another note, the mites alone are reason enough to flag the seller, even if the animals were fat and healthy and still living !!!! She provided proof of this on the 1st post.

 

[gsrept]

The onlyflag this throws up for me is if three of the animals were sick what are the rest like if one had pnemonia which can be transmitted between animals i would definatly stay away from buying from them.

I am sorry you had to deal with this and you are getting a raw deal, I fully understand you looking for the best deal seeing money does not grow on trees but you need to really research who you are buying from and in this industry if it is to good to be true it usually is. and never buy a snake that is sick in some way to save money it never ends good. Good luck I hope you get some type of refund from this dealing.

 

[ShadowAceD]

She said she was told the het had a swollen gland and was soaking as was instructed. Once at the vet was told it was an old abcess and was septic.

On another note, the mites alone are reason enough to flag the seller, even if the animals were fat and healthy and still living !!!! She provided proof of this on the 1st post.

Where exactly are you getting mites from? There were no mites and no evidence of mites.

 

[bullies&balls]

wow, so very sorry. That was another post on the BIO. My apologies.

 

[Michael Brown]

I have never read a thread that I was so certain that both the OP and seller had one thing on there mind $. OP or rather your "boyfriend" was blinded, not by "new to herp fever" but rather money, from the sounds of it that was the only thing he was worried about. He seemed to ignore everything Mark said to purchase "breeder females" for a cheap price. Please for the sakes of the animals dont attempt to breed snakes because its not all about the $ and you will see $ alone cannot produce quality animals.

Second Mark should not be selling sick animals. Period. Should not ship them, should not sell them at shows, ect.

Also you clearly left out some key "nasty" email exchanges. your boyfriend, joseph also threatens mark with ::::

" I can send you pictures of the sick snakes if you like"

So please do, please post the pics for us to see. I think this whole thing is fishy tbh. Anyone who is going to post what emails she see's fit to make herself or her boyfriend not look at fault is suspicious.

so please, some pics and the emails that u thoughtfully left out

 

[apreske]

Did you read the whole story? I care about my snakes and it is not about the money at all. I don't know why you felt like this whole story led to me not caring about my animals and it just being about the money. I did post all of the emails that we exchanged back and forth. I did not leave any emails out. You should probably find out all of the facts before you pass judgement. If any one has any questions or any doubts feel free to ask. I put this post on the BOI simply because I wanted people to know what happened.

 

[apreske]

Mark stopped emailing me after I said I would send him pictures of the snakes. I haven't heard back from him since. I haven't taken pictures because he didn't ask for them. Also I can take pictures but I'm pretty sure no one wants to see pictures of 2 dead snakes and one sick one. I will post pictures of the het albino as that's the only one still alive to take pictures of. Again I DID NOT leave out any emails what so ever. All of the emails we exchanged back and forth are in this post. I love my snakes and I take care of my snakes period.

 

[hhmoore]

Again I DID NOT leave out any emails what so ever. All of the emails we exchanged back and forth are in this post.

Maybe I missed it....can you point me at the email in which you discussed adding the jungle to your purchase, the price, her being underweight, etc?

 

[apreske]

In my first post I wrote that the jungle was thrown in during the first phone conversation that we had with him, we didn't have any discussions about the het albino, hypo, or jungles health or the jungle period in the emails it was all in a phone conversation. If Mark ever gets on here and tells his side of the story, he can give all the emails he has and it will be the same as what I have already posted.

 

[hhmoore]

One other question...
In the opening post, you stated that Mark told you the jungle was eating regularly but underweight; while in post 26 your email shows

You said the jungle was not eating