Break in at Carolina Reptile Exchange (Bruce Eisenmanns store)

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Initials to protect the innocent

DE = 2.0 100% het pieds 1.2 100% het albino
CK= 0.3 100% het pieds
TJ= 1.1 100% het pieds 0.1 100% het albino
SG= 2.6 100% DH for piebald and albino
CT= 0.6 100% het pieds 0.2 66% het pieds


and then there is this guy. there is really no telling what he bought. But I wonder if he really was in contact with harry and in talks to buy his ENTIRE collection
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...light=harry+AND+collection+AND+pied#post55992

 

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http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=55992
let me try that link again

 

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You people need to RESEARCH Better!
First of all, Craig you have nothing to worry about. The hets that you bought are 100% legit. I have been talking to Harry for several months now and have purchased several Ball pythons from him in the meantime all in excellent condition. I research everyone that I buy from in great detail now due to an incident that happened late last year(posted on Fauna. BOI "Dead Ball Thread" take a look at it. This was a hard leason learned.) I am also in current talks with him to buy his entire Ball python collection. He is thinking about getting out of the business because of all these YAHOOS who don't know what the hell they are talking about and do little to no reasearch on things and jump to unjustified verdicts. With no substantial evidence to back up any of their claims(he is over it). I will hopefully soon be able to see his Facility( i am making arrangements to look at thier facility and all their animals). I have gotten pics from them of one of their Pied Breeder Males and not the one they just bought from Pete Kahl. I have also spoken to someone that says they know a legit breeder who has been to their facility and has seen what they have and they are legit. Second, as for the add posted for the Adult Pied Female which sold in # min. The add was posted several days before Ritchie saw it because I tried to buy the Female from them that Day and they told me that it was sold that they were just waiting on the money( so there you go Ritchie). Ritchie why come to defend yourself on this site if you allready have a bad name? No one would believe Harry just because of all the negative stuff that has allready been said. Obviously eveyone here thinks there are full of Crap and scam artist. So why even bother? Thrid. No offense Troy but if I were to put 10 10 lots of baby normal Ball pythons side by side there is no way in hell that you would be able to pic out the 20 ball pythons that you produced or sold, I don't care how long you have doing this or how many animals you have seen or produced. Anyone who deals with ball pythons would and should say the same thing, because they know that you claims are out of this world. There is no way in hell that you could have reconized a normal out of a 20 lot, come on man that is just silly. Unless you were 100% sure that the animal in question was yours and a normal you had no business at all posting that It "MIGHT" be a normal( that is total bulls**t). You have every right to post that you sold this person normals and that you nothing about them but that is as far as it should have gone( your claims are not justified). Also just to let all of you know, Harry WHOLESALES animals, therefore requries large # of all types of animals. So let me just say something to all of you, do your research a little better and come with facts and evidence to back you s**t up or shut your damn mouths. This is how people get bad reputations with these unjustified claims and that is total BULLS**T and REALLY pisses me off and should piss you of also. Just because it sounds to good to be true does not always mean that it is not( but most of the time it is, that is why you have to do real research on things not just go buy someones hearsay). Well I will keep everyone posted on the purchase of the Ball Colony. Sorry for any missed spelled words. Good Luck to all those who deserve it. Thanks for looking. Below is pic of one of Harry's Pied males with a female.

Charles Christopher Gauch aka Paco
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Thanks for the heads up Ritchie. I have been keeping up with this issue for
some time now. At the time I was defending him I thought things were legit,
it is starting to appear that I was very wrong and that is a sad thing. I
dealt with Bruce Only and at the time he seemed like a good guy that was legit
from what I had researched at the time. Time tells all as we are seeing. It is
a sad day when you learn that someone you thought was legit and a supposed
friend could and would do something like this(especially when you defend them,
because that can make you look like a bad person as well). I have not talked
to Bruce in some time. When I was interested in the collection he told me that
he had another buyer and I have not spoken to him since. Just kept up on
the situation from time to time. Looks really bad for him right now. Once
again thanks for the heads up and I am sorry if I ever offended you in the past I
did not mean any dissrespect. I would defend anyone who I thought was my
friend until I learn otherwise and it looks as though I have otherwise learned.
Take it anyway you can get it. Later, Paco.

Okay I am confused. One says you talked to Harry the other says you only talked to bruce.

Anyway tell us what hets or if any you bought from them so we can add it to the tally

 

[Thomas Jones]

How will the ones that got screw be able to get there money or the value of real hets back. I got stuck. We paid 225 for the het albino. And traded some very nice tiger retics for the het pieds.

 

[Brian Oakley]

I am going to ask one more time for the following info.
Those of you that have purchased ANYTHING from Carolina Reptile Exchange OR Digital Reptiles OR HCE, you NEED to post it here. I know there are quite a few people that do not want to come forward, those that have emailed me and maybe others you trusted. I have been a man of my owrd, but enough is enough.

WHAT did you buy?

WHO (Name of the person that you dealt with) did you buy it from?

Do you have a receipt? If so, please post it here OR email it to me and I can post it for you.

Post your emails here as far as who you dealt with (Harry/Bruce/Noah or others).

If you have ever RECEIVED venomous from the above mentioned names or companies, please post here what it was and how it was shipped. If you have any invoices or the purchase, please post it along with the shipping label if you can. If not, what date was it shipped?

I will leave it at that for now......

 

[John Albrecht]

I spoke to the US Attorneys office here in South Carolina. I was told that they only prosecute based on evidence that other agencies supply them. They do no investigating on their own. Based upon the information I supplied them about what has been learned here they suggested that a victim should call the FBI. They agreed that if any fraudulent activity was done over the internet that it would involve interstate commerce statutes that they would be happy to vigorously pursue once evidence is supplied by an investigating body.

The FBI field office in South Carolina is;

FBI Columbia
151 Westpark Blvd
Columbia, South Carolina 29210-3857
columbia.fbi.gov
(803)551-4200

I want to add that if someone does in fact take the initiative to call the FBI that I am happy to be a resource for them here in South Carolina. In all likelihood there will not be anybody in the FBI office that understands anything about genetics or reptiles and they will need someone that they can work with to identify animals by sight etc...

Contact me off-line if you need me to do that.

 

[carl3]

KS ads...

Its a shame that, if this guy is as guilty and fraudulent as everyone says he is, that he is still able to potentially sell to unknowing people over the web.

In his one ad, it looks like he has 3 Albino Yellow Rats in one shipping container?!?! Is that normal? Who knows if he actually ships it that way, but I would think its not good. I'm no shipping expert but wouldn't it be stressful on the animals to ship 3 in one container? Any snakes delivered to me were always shipped in individual containers within the box. Maybe he just did that for the sake of taking a photo...but I'd be weary given the questionable things presented here.

Also, he references a name of a someone he got one of the snakes from, and this person is an old friend of mine.. here is part of the ad from KS.com

".1 Halloween pueblan !look at this beauty !
bought from Scott Crow,top of the line !
$400 (less than I paid)SALE PENDING"

Anyone know who this sale is pending to? I was friends with Scott Crowe (CRE spelled his name wrong) when I first got into herps 10 years ago and he DOES have quality, well cared for animals. In fact, when I made a long dist. move, I simply gave Scott my relatively small collection of snakes. I would never doubt his (scott's) animals...but, I guess ya never know the condition of those snakes after being kept by CRE?!

Anyway, whoever is possibly pending the sale of that snake, I would def feel better knowing who the snake came from originally (although who knows if its CRE just claiming that).

I wish I still kept in touch with Scott b/c I would be interested if he had any first hand dealings with CRE and its possible consortium of multiple personalities.

I just get this horrible feeling in my stomach when I cruise the KS colubrid classified section and I see CRE's ads....b/c I know someone might pay for AND end up with an animal that is not well cared for or misrepresented.

-jason carl

 

[Brian Oakley]

I would doubt there is any way to find out who this sale is 'pending' with. There are only 10000's (conservative #) of people that own reptiles. The only chance you would have of finding out is if someone came to this very thread and read your post. There are MANY people in the industry who do not even know this site exists.

I am a little unsure as to why you would feel better who the snake came from prior to CRE having it. Bottom line is they have it for sale (CLE) and that would make me concerned only because of that fact, not because of who might have sold it to them however long ago.

Now as far as finding out if Scott has even sold anyting to CRE, you could simply email him. That would be easy to do, assuming you know his email addy OR you can find an ad he has up and email him that way. Would be interesting to hear what yet another person would say in relation to any dealings with the infamous CRE (Bruce/Harry/Noah/John/?).

 

[carl3]

"I am a little unsure as to why you would feel better who the snake came from prior to CRE having it. Bottom line is they have it for sale (CLE) and that would make me concerned only because of that fact, not because of who might have sold it to them however long ago."

Brian, you're right...I thought about it that way too...I just worded it the wrong way. I simply meant that if someone bought a snake from CRE and then discovered all of these negative things after-the-fact, and then felt unsure about the history of the snakes genetics, they might at least be able to track down the transaction history (if any) of their animal if concerned about something like genetics, or whatever. At least CRE gave some sort of info on at least ONE animal's source for a potential buyer to possibly research (it would be a starting point). Although, I really doubt that would even matter given all the info presented here...lol.

I will try to find Scott's email and let him know that CRE has referrenced his name and see if he sold them the animal directly, OR has ever had any dealings with them. Given where he lives, its unlikely they did regular business together. but who knows? Maybe Scott owns a piebald het for all i know and could help, so I'll try.

Its amazing how many people reference others when selling herps anymore, without their awareness of it. Its so common that its somewhat accepted (it seems).

 

[crego]

Halloween

Jason, I just read your post and wanted to answer your question. We have this snake now along with an albino neilson. We got them from Bruce for money owed to us. Both snakes are doing great and eating like crazy. They were way too thin but they're in good hands now! Lisa

 

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Does everyone remember KERRY BRAGG?

Does everyone remember Kerry Bragg - I know I do. I would love to share with you all what he has to say about fauna and the people on the BOI. I think you might find this as funny as I did.


#10 Today, 09:12 AM
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Thanks to Ron for settling the canebrake/timber question. Beth, are there any pictures of the large easterns that you could post? I think all of us would like to see them, especially me.
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#9 Today, 12:10 AM
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I have never seen a rattler in the wild. I hope I do this year though.
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#8 Yesterday, 11:33 PM
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Sorry guys, that was way off subject. I think Ron cleared everything up, as far as the canes and timbers go. I never thought that subspecies could differ so much.

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#7 Yesterday, 11:01 PM
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I really never use fauna, except for the cre thing that once. Nobody there gives anyone the benifit of the doubt. ( bunch of zealots) I'm sorry that I even tryed to go to the boi, and post. Nothing good at all has came out of that thread. I got ripped, just for knowing a person (that I didn't know anybody had a problem with), I was called a liar, and a thief, and all of personal information was posted there (phone#, address, my wifes name) without my permission, and you and your husband were some of the main instigators. If that happned to you, how would you feel? I was totally embarrassed, slandred, and my character was defimated. I am a forgiving person though, so I hold no grudges, but I will NEVER give fauna another second of my time!

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#6 Yesterday, 10:07 PM
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We have two Eastern Diamondbacks over 6.5 ft in lenght.

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As of this time we have two male Eastern Diamondbacks that are over 6 1/2 ft in lenght that will be going to SC in April to a good friend. We currently house 15 eastern diamondbacks along with canebrakes, gaboons and other. A timber rattlesnake - is Crotalus horridus horridus (the northern species) and the canebrake is Crotalus horridus atricaudatus(the southern species which grows much larger) (It is a larger race than the horridus horridus.) By the way - Nice to see you on here Kerry. Did you switch from Fauna?

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#5 Yesterday, 09:04 PM
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There are several things thatI believe make the difference in the 2 subspecies.
#1- Canebrakes are larger than timbers. Average timbers are 3 ft in length.
It is not uncommon to find canebrakes over 4 feet and I have had several
that were pushing the 5-6 ft mark.
#2- Canebrakes have the stripe in the middle of the back that is missing in true timber rattlesnakes.
#3- Venom. Canebrakes have a mixture of both hemo and neuro toxins in their venom, and young canebrakes also have cardiotoxins. The neurotoxins have not been the case with the timber rattlesnakes.
#4- timbers breed every other year, while canebrakes will breed every year.

As for the cross breeding... I have seen timber x diamondback crosses and they look nothing like a canebrake. This is not a cross that is likely enough to happen in nature. Also there are canebrakes located in areas that timbers do not exist, so I could in no way except that theory, though this is the first time I have heard it.
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#4 Yesterday, 03:56 PM
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someone told me that canebreaks were just timber rattlers that had cross bred with easterns or something.

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#3 Yesterday, 03:22 PM
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According to research I've done, canebreaks and timbers are the same species (although I think they may have slight color or pattern variations that differentiate them, I'm not sure).
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#2 Yesterday, 12:11 PM
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I have never seen an eastern that big, but most of my books say they can get up to 8 feet. The Jacksonville zoo has a specimen that's somewhere in the 6 foot range if I'm not mistaken. Disapointing enough. I've never seen a rattler around here. I heard a many stories of them around here. Supposedly not far from here canebreaks and timbers ranges overlap. I've even heard some people say they're the same snake. I don't have enough experiance with any rattlesnake to be making that accessment. What are your thoughts JBrent? I know this isn't about easterns, but I figured you may know.

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#1 Yesterday, 10:19 AM
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Largest rattlesnake you've seen

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I have not been able to find any records on any Eastern Diamondbacks in excess of 5 feet long. I personally have seen one that was killed near Waverly, TN that was close to 8 feet long (this was about 13 years ago). When I saw it, it was laid across the hood of a full-size pickup. Its head was hanging down by one tire, the tail was hanging by the other. Has anyone seen or heard of this snake or any of similar size?
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Here is the actual link to this post -
http://www.herptrader.com/vtest/showthread.php?t=3023

BY THE WAY - Does anyone know if Faunaclassifieds and herptrader.com is owned by the same person? The reason I ask this is because it looks similiar with same features.

And Kerry is a SUPER MODERATOR> lol - he does not even know what he is talking about on there. It is quite the funny to read his posts to all types of snake questions - and if memory serves me correctly he deals only in geckos. But here he gives advice on Venomous. You guys have to check that out!

QOUTE From Kerry BRAGG - I really never use fauna, except for the cre thing that once. Nobody there gives anyone the benifit of the doubt. ( bunch of zealots)

>>>>> We are a bunch of zealots! Here is the definition of Zealot - zeal·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zlt)
n. One who is zealous, especially excessively so.
A fanatically committed person.
Zealot A member of a Jewish movement of the first century A.D. that fought against Roman rule in Palestine as incompatible with strict monotheism. I dont think anyone on here fits that definition.......

QOUTE - KERRY BRAGG - I'm sorry that I even tryed to go to the boi, and post. Nothing good at all has came out of that thread. I got ripped, just for knowing a person (that I didn't know anybody had a problem with), I was called a liar, and a thief, and all of personal information was posted there (phone#, address, my wifes name) without my permission, and you and your husband were some of the main instigators. If that happned to you, how would you feel? I was totally embarrassed, slandred, and my character was defimated. I am a forgiving person though, so I hold no grudges, but I will NEVER give fauna another second of my time

- Has anyone noticed if Kerry Bragg has been logged in and reading this thread. Maybe we should watch if he does. I personally dont think myself nor my husband were the main instigaytors. But - YOUR story had holes and was FISHY. And it STILL IS. That is my personal opinion in which I am entitled to.


If you were a forgiving person then YOU would have never typed that message above in my opinion. KERRY you are still HOLDING A GRUDGE! I simply stated and I qoute - By the way - Nice to see you on here Kerry. Did you switch from Fauna? There was nothing in that statement that said anything remotely rude.

Personally I think the whole thing funny. But please I would love to know if herptrader and faunaclassifieds are related in any way. Thanks Beth

 

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Papers for Pieds

The papers shown in this post confirming the genetics for the Pieds are falsified. Firstly, I know Donnie Ratley personally, and I can testify that he has never owned (in whole or in part) Piebald Ball Pythons (or hets thereof). Also, the name of his business, although clearly spelled out on his business card clipped to the papers, is misspelled on the paperwork.

 

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Kerry Bragg -

I wanted to update everyone and let everyone know that Kerry Bragg called me last night and apologized for his actions. He also posted an apology on that thread that I am putting a copy of.


#17 Yesterday, 11:58 PM
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Kerry - I still think you owe me an apology. I did not call you names. We are all making posts on here in a civil manner. I am sure most people know what zealots mean however the definition was for you. So that way you know the exact meaning of a word you are calling a person. Which again I am not a Zealot.

I agree you with Jbrent. We all need to get along. I simply said Nice to see you here Kerry did you switch from Fauna. There was nothing rude in that remark to justify Kerry's first post to it.
Jbrent Qoute "1.We're all on this site because we love reptiles.
2.We all have a desire to help educate the general public and help each other with our combined knowledge.

VERY True indeed. That is what I was trying to do in answering questions and posting my knowledge here and on Fauna. I am very proud to say, being a woman, I have my Venomous License from the state of FL as well does my husband. My husband has great knowledge and we are well respected in the Herp world. We even organized and started our own local Herpetological Society and also aided with the 4-H Herp Club for youths. We are very active in many different areas.


Since you are a super moderator on here does that give you the right to call people names or go off topic? I am still waiting for an answer to that? As well as an apology to me for calling me a zealot. Beth

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#18 Today, 12:19 AM
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I didn't call you a zealot, personally, if the def. of zealot is to be zealous, which means to be addimate, it could have been a compliment. Take it how you see it. I am sorry ifyou were offended, I'm offended that you went to fauna and posted more things that weren't true, like me giving advice in the hot forum, WHERE? I'm chatting. I'll still post that pic for you. I would also love to talk on the phone, like adults. that way I can answer any questions you may have personally.

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#19 Today, 12:22 AM
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plus, paul stated that if I posted my license on boi and proved I was a real person he would appologize, he never did.

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#20 Today, 12:37 AM
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Kerry - Fine we can talk on the phone like adults. You can call me at

When you say that you are sorry, you should stop there. Because in my mind that isnt an aplogy at all.

QOUTE" Kerry Bragg I really never use fauna, except for the cre thing that once. Nobody there gives anyone the benifit of the doubt. ( bunch of zealots) I'm sorry that I even tryed to go to the boi, and post. Nothing good at all has came out of that thread. I got ripped, just for knowing a person (that I didn't know anybody had a problem with), I was called a liar, and a thief, and all of personal information was posted there (phone#, address, my wifes name) without my permission, and you and your husband were some of the main instigators. If that happned to you, how would you feel? I was totally embarrassed, slandred, and my character was defimated. I am a forgiving person though, so I hold no grudges, but I will NEVER give fauna another second of my time!

How whould you know what was posted on Fauna if you stated "I WILL NEVER give fauana another second of my time?" Guess you gave them some of your time?

QUOTE KERRY wrote:Take it how you see it. I am sorry ifyou were offended, I'm offended that you went to fauna and posted more things that weren't true, like me giving advice in the hot forum, WHERE? I'm chatting. I'll still post that pic for you. I would also love to talk on the phone, like adults. that way I can answer any questions you may have personally.

Again you can call me on my cell number Beth and Paul did not state he would post his dl I said I would but if you go and re-read that post my pictures are on there as well as others. And you also see that I could not get it uploaded someone else had to do it for me. But it took a very longgggggg time for you to do what you said you were going to do and that was posting your dl. Again, if you want to call me and talk civilized adults I will be more than happy to do so.
Beth

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#21 Today, 01:54 AM
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I talked to Beth last night, and I have to say that she is a very nice lady. She was willing to listen, and try to understand my side of the story. Her and her husband Paul, have every reason to be concerned about this situation. In there case, as in mine, it hit very close to home. I think that we can get to the bottom of all this through cooperation. I will also admit that I was the one that started the name calling on the boi, and for that I was wrong. I over reacted to questions they had every right to ask. I was not at all professional, and that is not the way that I want to be perceived. I would like to appologize to the Moody's for reacting the way that I did. They are very nice, knowledgeable people, and I'm sure I will stay in touch with them.

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#22 Today, 10:05 AM
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I am glad you are all done arguing over that one comment. Back to the subject, how do I find out if the local 4-H youth thing has a herp branch? If it does, I will want to get involved, although I have never participated in any 4-H activities and really don't know what it is haha.

Also, just wondering if any of you know of any good herping magazines that I should subscribe to?? Thanks!
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#23 Today, 10:17 AM
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I never would have guessed that things would stray this far off subject when I started this thread. I think this proves that we are all very passionate people, especially about reptiles, and I am glad everyone could patch things up.
Back to the question at hand; has anyone out there seen or heard of from a reliable source a rattlesnake 8 feet long or longer. If so, could someone find a record of it. I'm doing research for a little book I'm doing on rattlesnakes, and I would like to include more hard evidence as well as the anecdotal "evidence" I already have. I know these giants are out there, or were, and I want to document this.
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#24 Today, 02:04 PM
Ritchie
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 101


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerry Bragg
I got ripped, just for knowing a person (that I didn't know anybody had a problem with), I was called a liar, and a thief, and all of personal information was posted there (phone#, address, my wifes name) without my permission,


Actually you claim to be over at Carolina Reptile Exhcange a lot.
You claim to have sold them animals from time to time.

But now we have Bruce denying even knowing you.

all your personal information that was posted was on public record. it is called the PHONE BOOK.

Your license was also posted.
But it is because you sent it to someone to be psoted for you.

Do not try to mislead the members of this board.

Here is the actual link of the above thread>
http://www.herptrader.com/vtest/showthread.php?t=3023&page=2&pp=15


Beth Moody

 

[Paul Fisher]

Tax fraud documentation

I posted a request for this type of information. The IRS indicated they would investigate if others had similar documentation. They could put him out of business and possibly behind bars. But since nobody replied, I guess my situation is an "honest" mistake by Harry...No, he's dead...Mistake by Bruce...No, wait...The receipt is signed by Gail. Oh well, I guess this occurrance is an anomaly and Bruce will continue on his merry way.
Paul
PS I've tried to attach the photo and it hasn't shown up in my previews, so I also tried couple IMG code links. Obviously I'm not a veteran here!

 

[Paul Fisher]

The above post is in regards to his business documentation showing a trade with no transfer of funds. The receipt is pictured with "TR" in the charge box and no dollar amounts indicating a trade. Posted with the picture is an image of the Paypal history showing the funds going to Carolina Reptile Exchange. This fraudelent documentation of a transaction is the first step in tax evasion by not reporting income. Additional documentation of this activity will warrant an investigation by the IRS and appropriate reprocussions to Mr Eisenmann.
Paul

 

[RoyalReptiles]

I recently own 2.6 "Dh pied/albinos" 1.3 which I adquired from Noah and the rest which came directly from Harry, I have all paperwork from carolina reptiles and Harry, and 1.3 of the animals were microchiped by Harry, If I can help In any way to prove that this people are fakes I'll be happy to provide any information or paperwork, I also have 0.1 het pied subadult het pied from Harry.

My name is Steven G.

 

[RoyalReptiles]

If this helps at all, this is ome of the last E-mails I got from harry on Thu, 23 Oct 2003, I replied and Told him I was intested on some of those animals but according to him Carolina reptile, adquired the whole collection, He also told me to contact him and that is how I got the rest of the DH pied/albinos

I have got some of my breeder pieds,Dont call the house,Im not living
there
.Iv been staying with friends ,or at the airport,Im working,and I cant
allways get to a computer every day.Im not ignoring you,
my cell isnt working either.its just a rough time for me till I get
this
divorce over with.I will be breeding a few pieds yet this year,but
right now
Im just trying tio stay afloat,if you want to buty breeders,I have 3.4
pieds,and 6 hets,all proven,2.3 albinos and 2 hets(proven)
I have 21 vision cages(3x16x16),with heat,and apple thermostats,a 4 ft
high
incubator,with 2 thermostats,and auto humidity (All plexi)
$80,000 snakes and cages,racks etc.everything

2.4 albino retics,all over 11 ft,1.2 albino tigers(4-7 ft)
9 6 ft visions with heat and apple thermostats $40,000 for all

1 3 ft (believe male)albino iguana,$8000 with 6x4x3 cage(no shipping)

3.10 Banded gilas(all legal paperwork)
8x3x4 cage $16000

1 male 01 pastel spider ball $40,000(will throw in 6 long term female
normals)will include 6 3x16x16 vision cages and heat and thermostats.

I wont split up the groups so dont ask,prices firm,or Ill just breed
them
myself,if sombody wants to look,the animals are in my hanger,they can
make
arrangements to view them.


then Ill be out,and just worry about flying
Harry

 

[Brian Oakley]

Here is your document Paul!

 

[haas101]

Well just wanted to let everyone know what the latest is. Friday the 20th of feb the York county sheriffs called me and told me that they had recovered some snakes from the robbery. Again I had four snakes at CRE when the robbery occured that were stolen. I knew something was up when the detective wanted to meet me at CRE to get my snakes. Well when I got there he told me that they recovered two of my snakes and that Bruce had them at his house. I do not know if they recovered any of the snakes he reported missing or if they just found my two but I think this sums this one up. I hope all of you on here let your friends and buisness ass. know what CRE is all about so Bruce doesn't have a chance to do this to anyone else. As soon as I get a copy of the police report telling all this I will post a copy of it on here.

 

[Brian Oakley]

VERY interersting. I will be looking, with wide open eyes, for that report. Please make sure you put a copy of it here.