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Break in at Carolina Reptile Exchange (Bruce Eisenmanns store)

Barry,
I forgot to ask..........which snakes were recovered OR was it just two that you had missing? This thread is so long, I have fogot.
 
The two snakes that they recovered were my yellowhead retic 100% het for albino and my tiger retic that Bruce sold to me as 100% hetbut i later found out for fact that it was a 66% poss het. They were taken during the robbery and the police found Bruce with them. He then admitted to having them but I don't know what the status is on my other two snakes that are still missin and the rest of the snakes that were taken during the robbery.
 
Well just wanted to let everyone know what the latest is. Friday the 20th of feb the York county sheriffs called me and told me that they had recovered some snakes from the robbery. Again I had four snakes at CRE when the robbery occured that were stolen. I knew something was up when the detective wanted to meet me at CRE to get my snakes. Well when I got there he told me that they recovered two of my snakes and that Bruce had them at his house. I do not know if they recovered any of the snakes he reported missing or if they just found my two but I think this sums this one up. I hope all of you on here let your friends and buisness ass. know what CRE is all about so Bruce doesn't have a chance to do this to anyone else. As soon as I get a copy of the police report telling all this I will post a copy of it on here.

Get a copy so we can send one to Kingsnake and they can shut down his account.

Either that or go ahead and complain to kingsnake
 
Well, if I understand the law coorectly, wouldn't Bruce be charged if he was found to have stolen property? I bring this up because maybe he willnot be ABLE to post anymore!

Like I said, I would just think that there should be some sort of pending charges is animals that were reported stolen (like any property) were found in his house......I call that a CROOK!
 
I was gonna post on KS but realized I do not have an official report to back up the accusations.

Barry when you get the report post a little something on KS but do it within the confines of their TOS
 
The two snakes that they recovered were my yellowhead retic 100% het for albino and my tiger retic that Bruce sold to me as 100% hetbut i later found out for fact that it was a 66% poss het.

Maybe I'm wrong, but even assuming that an actual robbery took place, I have the funny feeling that those two retics were never stolen.

Regards
 
I agree, but from an outsider looking in, would you agre that it is very likely that Barry did not know this? All he did was tell the poice what Bruce had of his and how it was no longer there either/along with the balls and retics of Bruce's.

I might be wrong, but sounds to me like Bruce took advantage of a friend here, now it is just a matter of time to find out where he hid the balls and retics that he owns (Bruce).

I might be wrong, but I have a feeling!
 
I agree, but from an outsider looking in, would you agre that it is very likely that Barry did not know this? All he did was tell the poice what Bruce had of his and how it was no longer there either/along with the balls and retics of Bruce's.

Absolutely. The point I'm making is why on earth will someone want to steal normal-looking retics when he could go home with the real deal, the visual morphs that were at the store.

Regards.
 
I think...

I may be wrong on this, but didn't Barry originally say that his animals were not listed as stolen, with the police? That is, even though they were in bruce's store and disappeared during the supposed break-in.

bruce had probably already pilfered them. And since he wouldn't want to get nailed with stolen property, in the inevitable search of his house, he just left them off of the police report.

Your thoughts?

Sincerely,

Gino 'In Da Bronx' Beniquez
 
Like you, I do not want to go through this WHOLE thread again. This is what I remember.
When Barry learned of the 'theft' he realized his snakes were stolen. I am not sure when, but at one point he said that he had told the police that he had snakes at Bruce's shop as well and that they apparently were not listed on the snakes stolen. He informed the police of the 'other 4' snakes.

Again, this is how I remember it.

Like you said, if I am understanding you correctly, is that Bruce probably thought he could get away with not reporting them and Barry would never know what was and what was NOT on the list of stolen animals. Bruce (emagine me trying to get in his head for this) probably htought that if they were never stolen that he could get away with 'the perfect crime'......that being that he could take off with 4 snakes and nobody would know. Maybe he did not think that Barry would ask OR that Barry could find out.

One of two things, now, have happened.
1. Bruce DID lose these animals and tried to salvage the only thing he could, this being Barry's 4 snakes (well 2 that have been found).

OR

2. Bruce set all this up like it is coming to light that he has done so in the case of at least 2 snakes. Now the question is which one? Either way, I look at it as a THIEF. He should have never taken the snakes that belonged to Barry (2 that we know of for sure since they were in HIS posession).

The other questions, I would bet we have all forgot about since the news here today, is that Bruce STILL does MANY crooked things.
1. Conducts business as other people on the phone and internet. I know of some people that have come forward to me with some compelling evidence. Maybe after this is all over they will feel safe enough to come forward and tell their story......as a rule of the BOI, which I do repsect the rules of even though I forgot all about them in the heat of everything early on, I cannot quote other individuals.
2. Portrays being his father even though I brought before your very eyes the obituary that I found online and from a local paper in SC that SHOWED (at least said) that his dad (Harry) died May 28, 1999. I woudl highly doubt that a family as a whole would live a secret, sharing to all family and friends and have a funeral and such, that someone died and it not be true. Very sad in MY opinion.
3. Leaves great reason for people to doubt whether they truly own 100% het pieds or not. With the info that has come forward telling how Bruce (Harry or whoever) has purchased great numbers of NORMAL balls at shows and then sells them as het pieds. I believe this to be true because, as we all know, one pair of Pieds (that is all that has been closely proven to exist) can produce the number of babies that have been sold in the last couple years. With an average clutch of, what, 5, and breeding to an average of 2 females a year (this is all IF the ONLY pied that he had was a male mind you) for let's say 3 years, just to finsh my point. This would be a total of 2 clutches a year (10 eggs) X 3 years= 30 babies.
Now, what is the average percentage of hatching? 75%? 80?
I highly doubt, even the best dream of this, that Bruce had a 100% hatch success. I think we are very close to that number of het pieds with the people that have come here, emailed me, or were learned of by other people and places. Just too many to call it real! I could be wrong as this is just my opinion.
4. Bruce signs receipts as 'Harry Eisenmann' and checks have been written on an account with the name Harry Eisenmann on it. Look up the PUBLIC records. It still states that 'Harry Eisenmann is living and is 84 years old! Does that strike you as ODD to say the least? Was the death for real and nobody told the banks and/or agencies that keep records so this way Bruce could continue on in his selling of snakes, tell people (as Harry mind you ) that Bruce and Harry have parted ways. This way anyting that was sold by 'Harry' in the last couple years would not be blamed on Bruce and therefor Bruce would not have to be liable for selling things that MIGHT not be correct? (hets, etc.) Could it all be a scam so, in his mind, he would not be accountable OR is Harry still alive and they made up a fake obituary? You be the judge? If the banks found out that Harry was indeed dead, the accounts would obviously be closed. It has been brought up in the MANY talks I have had with many wonderful people how this can go on. ANYONE can make a deposit into ANY account. Only the check holder can write the checks out (based on the signature). These could be made out to anyone. So now the question is, as I do not know the answer, when did CRE, HCE, and Digital Reptiles come about? Was it before or after May 28, 1999? Was this a way that Bruce thought he could make money and get away with things? I don't know.
5. People have come forward with reciepts that shows "trades" when in fact there was MONIES transfered to someone from HCE, CRE, or Digital Reptiles. This way Bruce (or someone) would not have to claim that money as income and pay taxes on it. Is this a crime as well? I think so.

Too many things have occured, if given time, I would bet that I could put them all in a nice pretty little (ok, LONG) statement like I have here to show how Bruce thought he could get away with all this.

The above are just MY OPINIONS and have yet to be proven correct. As a right of mine, I CAN express my opinions and share them.
 
I will clear this up a little. Bruce reported his shop getting broken into. He reported his snakes getting stolen but failed to report mine. I don't know why. When I found out the store was broken into I went there because I had snakes there. Bruce then told me that four of my snakes had been stolen to but he had not told the police that. Well ehile I was there the police came back to the store to question me and thats when they found out about my snakes. Bruce told myself and the police that his and my snakes were taken at the same time and now Bruce was found with two of my snakes. I was told hisself and one of the guys that works at the store are going to be arrested for this. But have yet to hear anything else from the police.
 
Absolutely. The point I'm making is why on earth will someone want to steal normal-looking retics when he could go home with the real deal, the visual morphs that were at the store.


AND BY THE WAY BRUCE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNEW THESE SNAKES WERE HETS BESIDES MYSELF SO EVERYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY WERE NORMALS.
 
Has anyone yet met a Harry or a Noah?
Just wondering if any charges on fraud will surface?

I just think Bruce started something and did not know when to quit since he was doing so well.

Just think, who knows what else could come out regarding other snakes/types!!
 
Question for Barry

Barry,
Good to hear your getting something back from Bruce. Most of us probably won't unless we get together next year for a civil suit assuming none of the 34 "hets" we've located produce homozygous. Since your back. I posted a question for you several pages back because I made another contact who had sold Bruce a group of normal baby ball pythons. Have you seen him retailing normal ball pythons in his store? If not, it suggests those normals could now be our "guaranteed by Harry" hets. Thanks.
Paul Fisher
 
Yes he reatails normal ball pythons but only one or two at a time for the walk in customer. He has them for for long periods of time as in 6 months. All the norms he buy he sell as hets.
 
SO there are 34 hets that Paul knows of (thanks for keeping better track than me) AND, Barry, you are saying that you have WITNESSED him selling more hets in the shop (regardless of actually being hets or not, but you have heard him sell 'hets'?)
IMPOSSIBLE!! Too many "hets" for the pied/s he has to breed to create them.
 
Number of hets

My total includes numbers from Ritchie's list several pages back and includes hets for albino and Steven's "double-het pied/albino's", along with some of the people that replied from KS. I'm still trying to get permission and more details from some of the KS contacts in order to post their info. Eight of those are from CT on Ritchie's list, he re-sold them and Ritchie thought you (Brian) might have some info on who ended up with some of them. Four of them are from a company that inquired stating they got 4 microchipped hets from HCE, but did not specify what type and have not replied to several e-mails from me asking for specifics. Maybe I'll try calling. I would bet we have only touched on maybe half of the "hets" Eisenmann sold! Anyway, I'll post the list I've got this weekend here and on harrys_kids Yahoo group.
Paul Fisher
 
Yeah
the thing I posted is only with First letters.
I had the list with real names but lost it.
I think I may have sent the real names list to Brian.
That is all I have

Unfortunately CT still stands behind his product.
But unfortunately if these dont turn out to be hets.....
CT will be footing the bill from his own pockets.
I do admire him for it.
If I was in his shoes I would be taking a trip to SC and putting a hurting on Bruce.
But alas Ct is a bigger man than I am
 
Do you want me to post the email you sent me, Ritchie?
I have a WHOLE file dedicated to this ordeal........that is just how much info I have gathered!
I will post it, but always like permission since it came from someone else (you).
 
List to date

These are names of people who have identified themselves and what they own either on this forum or have given permission to have their information shared. Initials are given where I have not received permission to share names.

David Evans:........2.0 100%hetPied,......1.2 100%hetAlb
Craig Kade:..........0.3 100%hetPied
Thomas Jones:.....1.1 100%hetPied,......0.1 100%hetAlb
Steven Gutierrez:.2.6 Double-het Pied/Alb
Joe Stuck:.............0.2 100%hetPied
Tom Cowell:..........0.1 100%hetPied
Paul Fisher:...........0.1 100%hetPied
CT sold:.................0.6 100%hetPied,.......0.2 66%hetAlb
DW:.......................4 microchipped HCE hets, unspecified
SM:........................0.1 100%hetPied

Still working other contacts. Everybody please compare this to what you have. If I have made any errors, please advise. If you should be on this list, or know people that should be, let us know. We need to keep in touch next breeding season (this season if a few of you do well breeding the young girls) to see if anything homozygous is produced. Thanks.
Paul Fisher
 
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