breeders shipping USPS

[Wilomn]

Don't get your knickers in a knot.

It just seems to somewhat defy logic that a cup filled with shavings "up to the rim" would have scant room for either snake or the oxigen needed to keep it alive.

It seems obvious that this is not the case as I have no doubt you have used it many times.

I still don't see how living in "rodent tunnels" can be compared to being stuffed in a cup full of shavings. One could logically assume that the tunnels these snakes live in are of sufficient girth to allow the snake to move freely, to turn as needed, even reverse direction, without being compressed on all sides.

For example, slide a pen in the "rodent tunnel" in the center of a roll of paper towels. Swirl it around, move it up and down, back and forth. No problem, plenty of room, plenty of air.

Now, shove that pen IN the papertowels themselves. It's MUCH harder to move, up, down, back, forth, what have you, it's a lot tougher. It would also seem that the air would be MUCH harder to access when being surrounded on all sides than it would if you were in the open.

Do you see where I might wonder at it now that I've put a little more detail? Seems you've handled things well enough, but need to change shipping carriers.

 

[bluerosy]

I agree and I will find another shipper to use. But I am correct about the deli cup being filled. If anyone ships a snake to me filled half way or with just a paper towel they will hear about it from me.

The snakes do tunnel in the shavings and they are are very happy like that. Snakes like mountain kings live in crevices and tunnel under granite until the spring when they come to the surface. When it warms up on June they go back under to avoid the heat.

By subecting a snake with all that goes on with shipping through any carrier ie.. being tossed, dropped, spun and vibrated is cruel. We need to stop comparing snakes to mammals.

 

[DAND]

Why would you put any other name besides your own on the package you are shipping? Charlene stated the name Frank Yourez (or something like it) was on the package she received from you. Could this be a nickname or an alias? Could this be because you know it is illegal to ship snakes via USPS and you put a different name other than your own in an attempt to CYA if the contents of the package were known? I wonder if the return address provided was your actual address or vacant lot.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Ranier, the majority of NA snakes that are kept by hobbyists are not fossorial.

 

[dan felice]

nice try rainer......

so now i'm an alcoholic huh? well, judging from the way you ship, you must be on heroin rainer. or at least have a problem w/ heroin. you say something like that again and you're going find yourself in a pennsylvania courtroom. and bring the snakes w/ you that way they may have a shot at survival. you've put a nice little spin on things i see, changing several pertenient facts to suit you. the actual fact here is that you ship like a child rainer!!! my complaint w/ you is that you DO NOT A SINGLE DROP OF INSULATION when sending a live animal thru several extreme temperature swings! how many times do you want me to keep repeating this to you? you just throw it in a box, send it up to 30,000' to freeze for a few hours and then let it experience a 50* plus temperature swing immediately once on the ground w/out a single molecule of insulation!! what's wrong w/ that picture? dont you get it? do you know what stryo does? do you know how inexpensive it is? spend a buck or two cheapskate! and btw, that first snake never ate 3 or 4 times and i never said that. [so print that email] i thought it ate once and ONCE only but the pink could have been lost in the aspen too after a couple days. i'm not sure that it ever ate other than when i pumped it.......for $145, i expected a snake that would at least eat on it's own.
i breed kings too rainer and i know a problem hatchling when i see one and that's what i got from you only frozen then baked just before delivery. thanks for nothing and i hope you're enjoying my money! btw, re: the replacement snakes you claim you sent, you did have the correct address, i never moved [?] and if you actually sent them, those snakes would have survived had they been insulated. you ship like crap rainer!! you position is totally indefensible. you ship like crap.......dan felice

 

[bluerosy]

Well Dan you have colored the truth to suit your needs (thats a nice way of saying you are an all out liar). In order to save time and space the bottom line is I sent you a nice snake in in the picture and you did not contact me for 7-8 months. I even agreed to replace it with 2 snakes after that time. WOW! thats kinda over the top for a breeder to do that. Wouldn't everyone agree??

Seems I did everything possible to make you happy. But after I sent the snakes to your new address I gave up. Its to bad you don't see anything except your $145. without taking responsibility and at the very least see what i did to make you happy when nobody else would have.

Can you imagine if all the breeders who sold a snake 6-8 months ago suddenly get an email saying the snake died and they want a replacement.. ?OR ELSE? Thas was the tone of your very first email to me. Very threatening and you were completly off base. I overlooked that as I am a big fan of human nature and always give the benifit of the doubt. I agreed to send you not ONE but TWO hypo brooksi which I sent the following season. You then caused their deaths by giving me an address that was either not ready to receive packages (a new place) or it was a non existant place. Either way thats your responsibility.

The snakes were in an insulated box (this second time). But after a week in the heat with brooksi they dehydrate very easily anyway. I was very upset at you and you did not even respond to MY email I sent. Instead you wait another two months and then ask for another replacement stating you are still out of $145.

I don't think I need to say anymore.

 

[dan felice]

yeah, you're right rainer.......

i had you send my snakes to a 'nonexistant place'. LOL! that's rich!!! so how come the other 30 or so snakes i bought this summer got here no problem? keep backpeddling rainer. reading on, i see you claim to have insulated the 2 cheap replacement hypos but not the expensive, original one i ordered. that makes a ton of sense!?! actually, none of it makes sense. this all happened last year, not 2 years ago like you state, you paid $5 to ship me my snake, not $25 like you state, it was most definitely not a well started hatchling as advertised but looked liked [and was] a refuser from day one. and i never, ever said that snake ate 3 or 4 times like you also erroneously state. make all the lame excuses you want rainer, i don't care anymore. bottom line is......you suck!!!

 

[thomas davis]

well

rainer, how can you provide a link written by yourself about shipping snakes and then ship a delicup in a box in an envelope?,are you high? , i have thought of purchasing from you as i beleive you produce some beautiful snakes but dude to explain shipping 10x10x10x box styrolined,bagged delicups,etc then turn around and put a delicup in a vcr type box and mail it in an express mail envelope?,and then say its safe and try to defend shipping that verses a styrolined box???man thats just wrong imho, on to the dan felice matter, from what ive read its sadly imho just a case of mis-comunication on both parts,but rainer how can you say well i sent 2 replacements the following season and after sending i received them back a week later saying undeliverable and both snakes were dead, dude that just makes absolutely no sense at all? , you didnt track that shipment?you just assumed that it was delivered?and that dan was happy?, i will not ship to anyone unless i have spoken w/them by phone or email the day prior to shipping and i always track everything until delivered, i feel its part of the sellers job to make sure that everything is ok and delivery is made, i gots to say rainer thats not right,,,and dan how come you would wait 6minutes muchless 6weeks,months to complain about the snake?,,honestly it seems you'lls transactions would have went smoother with better comunication like a phonecall ,,
anywhoo thats my0.03centavos,,,,,,,,,,, thomas

 

[DavidBeard]

I think I know why Rainer can't shell out the moolah to ship the correct way....it looks like hes spent far too much money on steroids and tanning oil LOL!

There is no excuse for this kind of crap...anyone who would blatantly abuse animals in order to save a few bucks and endanger our hobby by breaking federal law deserves to run out of town with fire and pitchforks.

People like 'bluerosy' aka Rainer aka Frank aka Macho Man Rainer Savage make me wanna

 

[DAND]

People like 'bluerosy' aka Rainer aka Frank aka Macho Man Rainer Savage make me wanna

So David, tell us how you really feel. Quit beating around the bush and tell us what's on your mind.

If someone is gong to cut corners on shipping then chances are pretty good the corners are being cut with maintenance and husbandry.

 

[thomas davis]

also

quote>>Then i get an email from Dan saying he is in the process of moving and to send the snake to this new address which he has not moved into yet.

here is that email to me with the different address:

thanks for replying rainer. the address i supplied earlier was where i
was working. that job is over and i've moved on so........you might as
well send them here, which is 768 pa. ave., wallingford, pa. 19086. just
give me a heads-up when you ship so i can retrieve them quickly ok?
thanks.......dan felice



I said okay since he should know where he wants the snakes shipped. I send the snakes and hear nothing for several days. A week later I get the box back and it says "address undeliverable" "No such address". <<<end-quote

for the record i have shipped snakes to dan at this adress and he did receive them, why didnt you track the shipment rainer?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thomas

 

[bluerosy]

It said on the package that the address wss undeliverabe because there was no such known address. Thast how i know it was a bogus address. And I did check tracking. If it was lost in transit then I would have sent a replacement. But it was not lost. Since it was wrong address I do not feel I had to replace the snake with a second pair. This is also after Dan threatened me from the get go. I took the initiative to call him and explain you can get a lot more out of people with a little honey. He did not have to came across so threatening when he does not even know me.

I think you all forget I decided to replace the snake after several months though my good heart. I did not have to replace them. Dan was completely in the wrong to even ask for a replacemnet when I did not hear from him .

BTW Dan it was early summer 2003 that I first sent you the snake. Your very first email to me was several months later in Feb. 2004. Before then i heard NOTHING from you and I assumed the snake was fine. Nice guy that I am I replaced the snake the following season in 2004 with a pair of hypos.

Oh and Dan I sent the snakes to you overnight express. That was $17.85 and NOT $5.00. Lies , lies, lies..

If you have the original receipt why don't you post a pic of it here? It says the price I paid for shipping right on the label.


USPS basic EXPRESS Overnight delivery rates:
package under 9oz...$13.65
...8 ounces to 2lbs...$17.85

Ak far as my packing I will stand behind it because out of the thousands of shipment made i have an excellent record. In the last 5 years I lost two. One was to Dan Felice. The other was lost in transit and finally arrived a week later. That I replaced with a better snake just like I did with Dan. Those are my only two bad experiences out of many years and thousands of snakes. i gurantee live arrival and that the snakes are healthy , fat and feeding.

This is a pic of the actual snake. It even has a couple meals in it in this pic.
Dan do you deny this is the snake I sent you?? If so post a pic of your. You said you have pics and lets compare.

<img src=http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={7051C20A-647D-46DF-A17F-0191380E4765}&exp=f&moddt=38384.5488167014>

 

[DavidBeard]

Rainer....you just don't get it do you?

IT IS AGAINST FEDERAL LAW TO SHIP ANY LIVE ANIMALS VIA THE USPS.

TO SHIP AN ANIMAL IN THIS WAY IS NOT ONLY ILLEGAL, BUT INHUMANE.

You make me sick.

 

[bluerosy]

David,
How is it inhumane to ship overnight with one carrier over another? they both get there in less than 24 hours. Most of the time the snakes are dropped off at 5pm and arrive before noon the next day. thats less than 24 hrs. Please explain how that is inhumane?

 

[DavidBeard]

Judging from the way you describe your shipping methods...inhumane is the best description I could come up with.

The point isn't sinking in at all.....what you are doing puts our hobby at risk. You don't seem to care about that at all.

Its NOT illegal to ship via UPS, Fed-Ex, DHL or the other airlines.....it IS ILLEGAL to ship via the Postal Service. How can this be made any clearer?

 

[thomas davis]

well

rainer can you please answer me(this thread#28) how can you describe shipping in styrolined box,bagged delicups,etc,etc then ship a delicup in a vcr box in an express envelope,,,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis

 

[dan felice]

more clarification needed apparently......

so now you have lost 2 shipments in the mail huh rainer? this morning you said i was the only one this had happened to and it was my fault as i gave you 'bad' address. i bought this house almost 10 years ago rainer and as far as i know, the address has never changed. AND you did not replace my $145 super flame w/ a better snake, i asked for 2 normal $50
hypos, saving you money and you agreed. i never saw those snakes. ever. and yes, that snake in the pic is what i PAID for BUT not what i receieved. the snake i got had black all over it and was a nice peninsular looking king, not much more. and it was not robust in the least, just the opposite looking like it had never eaten a single meal. i thought i could save it and worked on it for 6 months. it died anyway. we came home from being out one night and it was dead. that's when i wrote the 1rst email. not the 7 to 8 months you have it currently stretched to rainer. you pretty good at mixing up & muddling facts i've noticed. you're ship methods should be so good. you don't even practice what you preach in the shipping forum for God's sake!?! and for a guy who states he produces 1000 kings a year, you'd think you might be able to get just one good to a paying customer. unfortunately for me that hasn't been the case. you're trying to make me look like the bad guy but this thread is about YOU rainer, not me. the only thing i'm guilty of is foolishly sending you money......dan felice

 

[bluerosy]

Here is an email I sent to Dan after the second replacement snakes were came back as undeliverable:

Dan
I am sorry I have to disagree with you .

First, I should not have agreed to replace a snake that you did not contact
me about for 5 months. You been around since the 60's I would think that you
do know about certain snake edicate. The snake was in your pocession and you
say it did not eat but a couple times and then languished. Why didn't you
contact me a week later or two weeks later? Why wait and work with an animal
for 5 months to see if you could save it and then complain to the seller?

Second I was doing you a favor and being a nice guy to send you your
replacement. I even paid for the shipping a second time.AL, this was in
spite of you nasty first email. Can you imagine selling a snake to someone
and then 5 months later getting an email like that? I am sure you would not
respond in like manner.

Third the snakes were sent in a insulated box. I only ship in cardboard when
the weather in the destination area is permitting.

Fourth your address that you gave me was not a deliverable address (whatever
that means) so it was your fault. Now you blame me that the snakes came back
dead?

Just how far do you want someone to go for customer satifaction? I sent you
three snakes and paid for two deliveries.

Then there is you first email to me that you started off by threatening me
without even ASKING me if I would replace it. I called you and told you I am
not motivated by threats. You apologized and said you were drunk when you
wrote it. I overlooked it and said I would replace anyway. Funny thing what
is, what bothered me the most was your insinutaion that I sent you a bad
snake. I even sent you a picture of the snake before you purchased it and i
still have the pic of the original snake. It looks very fat and healthy for
a newborn. You can see the bulge of its last meal in the pic as well.

You conatacted me several months later to remind me of my promise to replace
the snake. I agreed to sending you two nice hypos for the one because they
were less money.

Now i get this email from you?

I have been doing this for a long time as well. You are my only bad
customer. I have had no complaints and if i did I am the type to bend over
backwards to fix the probelm because I am in a hobby and not a business and
thats the way I just am. I love the hobby and i wish everyone was as good as
me in treating other herpers.


This hobby seems to attract a lot of bad people. I am not one of them even
though you would like to make me out to be one. I am not the type to rip
anyone off (like you are insinuating) and I really resent that.

Dan it seems to me you are the one with a problem and your emails to me
speak volumes. The way you come across is not good.

I wish you would not go with your threat to go public because any accusation
is bad. But in this case I cannot be pushed around like you have been doing.



Rainer Weishaupl


----- Original Message -----
From: "dan" <[email protected]>
To: "Rainer)" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message from dan felice

 

[bluerosy]

Oops, let me try that again in a better format:


Dan
I am sorry I have to disagree with you .

First, I should not have agreed to replace a snake that you did not contact
me about for 5 months. You been around since the 60's I would think that you
do know about certain snake edicate. The snake was in your pocession and you
say it did not eat but a couple times and then languished. Why didn't you
contact me a week later or two weeks later? Why wait and work with an animal
for 5 months to see if you could save it and then complain to the seller?

Second I was doing you a favor and being a nice guy to send you your
replacement. I even paid for the shipping a second time.AL, this was in
spite of you nasty first email. Can you imagine selling a snake to someone
and then 5 months later getting an email like that? I am sure you would not
respond in like manner.

Third the snakes were sent in a insulated box. I only ship in cardboard when
the weather in the destination area is permitting.

Fourth your address that you gave me was not a deliverable address (whatever
that means) so it was your fault. Now you blame me that the snakes came back
dead?

Just how far do you want someone to go for customer satifaction? I sent you
three snakes and paid for two deliveries.

Then there is you first email to me that you started off by threatening me
without even ASKING me if I would replace it. I called you and told you I am
not motivated by threats. You apologized and said you were drunk when you
wrote it. I overlooked it and said I would replace anyway. Funny thing what
is, what bothered me the most was your insinutaion that I sent you a bad
snake. I even sent you a picture of the snake before you purchased it and i
still have the pic of the original snake. It looks very fat and healthy for
a newborn. You can see the bulge of its last meal in the pic as well.

You conatacted me several months later to remind me of my promise to replace
the snake. I agreed to sending you two nice hypos for the one because they
were less money.

Now i get this email from you?

I have been doing this for a long time as well. You are my only bad
customer. I have had no complaints and if i did I am the type to bend over
backwards to fix the probelm because I am in a hobby and not a business and
thats the way I just am. I love the hobby and i wish everyone was as good as
me in treating other herpers.


This hobby seems to attract a lot of bad people. I am not one of them even
though you would like to make me out to be one. I am not the type to rip
anyone off (like you are insinuating) and I really resent that.

Dan it seems to me you are the one with a problem and your emails to me
speak volumes. The way you come across is not good.

I wish you would not go with your threat to go public because any accusation
is bad. But in this case I cannot be pushed around like you have been doing.



Rainer Weishaupl


----- Original Message -----
From: "dan" <[email protected]>
To: "Rainer)" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Message from dan felice

 

[DAND]

Seems to have avoided this...

Why would you put any other name besides your own on the package you are shipping? Charlene stated the name Frank Yourez (or something like it) was on the package she received from you. Could this be a nickname or an alias? Could this be because you know it is illegal to ship snakes via USPS and you put a different name other than your own in an attempt to CYA if the contents of the package were known? I wonder if the return address provided was your actual address or vacant lot.

Hey Rainman,

I'm still waiting for answers to the above.