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Info Breeding (loan?)Ariel Cudia & Aritonic

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HI,just for clarity I am The Stoned Gecko, and I am seeking help...
OK, heres the short( trying to) version of the situation. A couple years ago I started goin to the local reptile show and bought a couple cresties. After that I stopped by my friends pet shop and met a girl who worked there, who told me she and her partner bred cresties and I should get theirs. Well, we did. Bought 3 within a month, and then when I had questions I would stop by the shop and ask her. Well, 1 thing led to another and we started helping her and her partner at the shows, then I would try to sell plants and ledges at thier table. I took up no space and actually made them xtra room by making shelves for the table and we also helped transport some of their belongings.Well, the girl had a couple geckos she said she couldnt keep because of who she got them from, her partner DISLIKED the breeder. Our transaction consisted of 1 shiney new quarter and a few magnet ledges. We also told her we would give her SOME of the money from the babies. Also, she got products from me AT COST! Done deal. Mind you in the time she had these girls she never got a viable egg from them. Now, we sold a few at Tinley last show and gave her $587.50. She didn't help with the table cost either and she had already taken 3 or 4 of the best hatchlings. Now Ariel is also saying that we "Stole" animals from thier table at the shows even tho his partner would take an animal and put it in our box and tell us to take care of it for her. Nothing was Stolen from any1. Both Ariel and his partner along with others were at our house often and saw all the geckos. Ariel would even go into the enclosures and put females with the males he wanted to.
Kinda of stupid saying some1 stole when they always came to see how well they were doing. I really should have listened to alot of people who tried to warn me about these people, because EVERYTHING that was told to me about them was T R U E ! We even bought a breeding pr of chahouas from him. He got them from some1 named Tim and asked us to care for them the day he got them. We got attatched to them ( in more than 1 way) and asked to buy them from them. I told them I would wash out the bill his partner had with me and his also , which came out to over $600.00 and We gave them over $600.00 in cash. Around $640 or 650 not sure now. Anyways, it was the amount they had to pay TIM every month till their bill was covered. Now I hear they want those back too. Whatta pair of business partners. During the course of about 1 year a and half both she and her partner had us help them with over 40 animals. Our food, cages, cleaning etc.and never contributed a thing except maybe 5 or 6 times I bought a box of crickets from her for 10 bucks. She paid 7. The animals we cared for incl. adults, babies that needed handfeeding and some needing meds. And get this, he even promised a kid who just bought a very small baby that he would feed it for him...guess where that little guy went after the show? That's right Ariel gave it to us to feed because he couldn't. Make promises to some1 and then brush off the responsibility on some1 else! real nice. Oh, we were such good friends , imagine that we were given the opportunity to WORK> Gee thanks, as tho we needed more work to do.Now, as you will see in the pic, the geckos and length of time we had each, and the times are conservative. Just whats on this list is 644 total gecko weeks. (number of animals times the weeks.) Now its being said that we OWE them money for any sold or unsold geckos we have or had. I am looking at this as I spent a whole lot of time effort and money to keep their animals, and to care for them. Conservatively I can use $2.50 per week per animal to $5.00 per week. Go to a Vet or service and they will charge you over $25 per week. I'm will to call it a "wash" and end all conbtact between them but they continue. And again, we never even got a bag of CGD for them. See attached pic plz . It shows some of thier animals lengthly stay with us. Its just Ariel and his posse causing the usual ruckus and being the eternal victim. He pouts and screams till he gets his way but I will not cave to him. Like his problems with every1 else, he is either jealous of them or can not handle people not being in awe of him or afraid of him. He's a lowlife. and like every1 has told me...he can not be trusted and he continues to prove it time and time again. Guess the drama queen needs the drama.
 

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Now, after discussing matters with my wife, we have decided we will give them 5 cresties, 3 fem 2 male to sell. They can keep everything they get as long as I get the pedigree and contact info for the pr of chahouas I bought from them. I will pull everything about them off my facebook and go on living as tho they dont exist. We want NOTHING to do with these people, PERIOD. I will get a neutral party to make the trade at the next local show. But they will also have to agree to end it . They and their cronies.
 
strazkatz said:
HI,just for clarity I am The Stoned Gecko, and I am seeking help...
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Your story is unclear, but what I get from your post is that you dealt with some people against the advice of others, did not clearly write out your transactions with them. Then, almost predictably, deals went south. A rough learning curve, and I am sympathetic to your trials and tribulations.

You are asking for help, my advice is that:

You research people that you deal with and make appropriate choices whether to deal with them after your research.
You develop a TOS to guide your transactions
You create and save a written record of each transaction. From your post, it does not sound as if you ever had well planned, written transactions.

You may think that what you are experiencing right now is trouble, you may end up thanking this other party for the wakeup call that business needs to be transacted in a businesslike manner if you ever have to deal with the IRS.
 
We even sent a check to 1of the partys'mother to pay off her half of a gecko she and my wife went halsies on. She won't cash it. So with that, I may use the girl this yr and next and then she can have it in2017.shes still growing up. I won't give her anything out of her...not with my JB Chowder baby.
 
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I'm will to call it a "wash" and end all conbtact between them but they continue.
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It takes two to have contact. You can simply ignore them. If they believe they are owed even after the services you provided, they would have to sue you to recover and with no agreement in writing and if the situation is as you describe, they would have some difficulty winning in my opinion.



strazkatz said:
Now, after discussing matters with my wife, we have decided we will give them 5 cresties, 3 fem 2 male to sell. They can keep everything they get as long as I get the pedigree and contact info for the pr of chahouas I bought from them. I will pull everything about them off my facebook and go on living as tho they dont exist. We want NOTHING to do with these people, PERIOD. I will get a neutral party to make the trade at the next local show. But they will also have to agree to end it . They and their cronies.
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A comprehensive agreement IN WRITING.

If you wish, post the proposed agreement and I and others can look it over for you. I'm sure you will do fine, but having experienced eyes take a look can be good.
If they will not sign a suitable agreement, then ignore them. My two cents.
 
The issue with the whole story, (on both sides) there is nothing written down on paper. It's all he said she said.

I also find it shady that the stoned gecko had a third party sale geckos for them that they already admitted were from ariel. Why would a gecko breeder give another breeder geckos to sale? Maybe because they are trying to unload geckos that don't belong to them, and not have their name attached to it? That's just how I am taking it.


Do you have any proof of you buying said chewies or any other gecko? So far all I see if you just scribbling a bunch of words on a paper and calling that evidence.
 
As if you can't understand.....nothing was sold except baby cresties that were hatched in my house. There were NO geckos from him that were sold. Get the facts, we all know who you are.
 
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We even sent a check to 1of the partys'mother to pay off her half of a gecko she and my wife went halsies on. She won't cash it.
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IANA lawyer and this is not legal advice...

BUT

From my way-too-long time as a landlady I remember that if a tenant sent me a check that was partial payment for rent, I couldn't just sit on it, not cash it, claim the rent wasn't paid, and start eviction proceedings; I had to refuse the check, send it back to the tenant, and demand full payment. Keeping it, even if I didn't deposit or cash it, meant that I accepted the payment.

I do not know if this is the case in your state, or if it applies to contracts/payments for physical stuff; you will need to research your state's laws a bit. You will also need proof that the check was received even if it was not cash.
 
And for further clarification.... All of his , hers, their, animals were picked up from here back in Oct. around the 23rd. SHE went with my wife by the geckos and they packed up ALL the geckos she had placed here with 1 exception. JAVIE, which I told her I after being with my female I would pay for him. With that She said she would never break up a bonded pr of chewies. I sat in my dining room with her mom ( who brought her here). After a while I went into the gecko room, and asked if she had ALL their geckos. She said yes but then I looked and saw 2 geckos they bought from Nichole, which were uni and unibrow. She had a hard time getting wieght on them and asked for our help. I told her take them too, I dont want to take care of them, they're your responsibility. After all the BS, I talked with her family and was told ARIEL was demanding JAVIE back. I packed him up and delivered him to her house. So, as any1 will see.. she made sure she had ALL their animals before she left.
 
I'm the third party they are speaking of, I have print screens of everything that transpired on supermodel exotics from facebook. The gentleman stating that I knew the animals were half theirs is false. I, like ralph, and susan, we're under the assumption that the business with Ariel was finished. We received no contact from them for three months. They knew sales were happening. If there had been a breeding agreement don't you think they would have been in contact with us the whole time? They took 2-4 geckos, the best that had been produced along with the amount stated in the OPS original post from tinley. Right now the agreement on supermodels comes down to me returning the animals in question, I've only heard one half of the story. And I was not a witness to anything that transpired nor was I there when everything went south, so I feel the best I can do is to cease sales and wait for everything to come to an agreement between them.

If you'd like me to post the screen shots I can do that no problem. Yet there was a good 100 or so comments made, and the amount will take up a lot of space. Just let me know.
 
I'd been trying to follow some of this. I have done business with Ralph who has always been friendly at shows, and I get along with Ariel who has likewise been a good sport at local shows by teaching me about unusual critters he has with him when I pester him at his table, so all of this makes me uneasy. Finding clarity has been difficult because there is very little "proof" of anything and a lot of "he-said-she-said" as mentioned.

That said, I'm kind of confused about all of this, but one thing stands out - why was a check sent to/made out to someone's mom, instead of directly to the person who was part of the deal? It seems out of place.
 
Ralph, Collette just put your reply to shame. You need to get all your ducks in a row. I don't know why you or Ariel keep spreading all this stuff around to groups, Facebook, and now forums. Just handle your business as adults and let it be.

Also Collette I didn't say you knew they were still in an argument. Just that you did infact sell geckos for Ralph. That were in dispute between Ralph and ariel. And to your knowledge you thought that dispute was resolved.
 
Sorry I must have simply read it wrong. No harm no foul. I'm just going to read and be a bystander from now on. I just wanted to know if they needed my participation in posting screen shots or not because it was after all I said that seemed to be the nuke button.
 
I didn't state what/how many were sold. Just that i think you may have took advantage of Collette and had her sell geckos that weren't actually yours to sell. And now she is being dragged through the mud. Congrats on that, brining someone else into your shit storm.
I don't have a dog in this race Ralph. Just saying how it all reads.
Actually if i were a Muppet I'd be fozzie bear.
 
I don't like the whole idea of this supposed cronism going on here, because it's stupid and a reach at best. I have worked with Aritonnic very closely for about a year now, and they've only ever been great to me. I've never seen anything crooked in the way that they conduct themselves, and they have only done right by people that I have seen. I've seen people get irate when they give people great deals on geckos, or help out a fellow herper in need. It boggles my mind that the good people can never just be perceived at doing things out of kindness and concern. Not everyone is trying to "get one over" on everybody, but maybe those who think everyome is are actually projecting their own motives onto others. Anyone who is made angry by seeing someone exhibit kindness regarding the hobby should maybe reevaluate where their own intentions lie.
 
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