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Info Breeding (loan?)Ariel Cudia & Aritonic

As I have stated, 3 female breeders are OWNED by us and that is why we have them ALl back in our possession. I told Steph I did not want Sub and Par around my stock. She asked you to house them for her. Javvy was never yours either. In fact, there are a lot of things mentioned here that are not true and don't belong to you.
YOU and Susan Strzalkowski had no right to take advantage of my partner. You had no idea at what state she was in. When she picked up those geckos, why wasn't I invited to pick them up with her so that all the geckos would have been accounted for and none of this would have happened? Please don't lie. You have said enough in this thread.
I want the five offered geckos for the chahouha lineage, the gecko bought by Stephanie for your check returned. As for the rest that you sold or have not sold, they are yours. THESE animals we ask better be in great condition.
One advice: "Don't make friends.. Make business propositions so that you have documentations" or have solid records of you don't trust that person. And one final request, I believe you owe Steph not just the geckos, but an apology in this thread. She never did anything to you nor did I. "Flex yo'self" and be a man enough to say sorry. This is a wash as soon as the requests are met. After all, you live a couple miles away from her. Have a good day.
 
All the girls are fine with 1 exception , they fought over a cricket and 1 girl has a little eye problem. You should know as well as any1..animals are always kept great here, you know it, you put yours here.
But, I will gladly give you ( Steph ) the female we both bought along with the other babies upon the return of our check.
Sorry , I have no control over gecko spats over crickets.But here's the deal... I will have Scott bring them to you at AAE next week and you give him our check and the lineage.
With that, I want all the postings down and I will remove mine also.
And its funny, you knew about my family situation since last Feb. and didn't care either. Call it a wash. We all know better and again we no longer need any communication between us. We go our way, you go yours. BUT, I also want Tims info so that I know the lineage is correct, or you can post it here . I want to be sure I get the correct info.
After next weeks show, I will post what I hope is the end of this thread, by saying all commitments by both parties have been met, and it is ALL done!
 
She has not been taken to the vet. Here is a picture of the eye in question. It still reacts to light and moves normal. Since this happened three weeks ago the eye is healing fine and appears that with time the pupil will go back to normal.

Based on the picture if you think a vet would be able to do something let me know.

As for you Ariel. I simply do not like the way you talk to people who have only tried every means possible to make things right. Ralph and Susan are stating facts, not belittling and trying to be confrontatious. Why don't you try the same? Besides was it Ralph and Susan who should of asked you to be along when your partner came? They are your geckos, I'd imagine stephanie could have told you the time and date she was going as likely as Ralph and susan could have.
 

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Collette, I believe you should stay out of this please. This is none of your concern. What was done is done. The requests are made and hopefully fulfilled.
I did not start this thread. In fact, my reputation was hurt for my stupidity here in Fauna. I hate the fact that some people use my thread to belittle me to gain the trust of others, so they can boost their business or take advantage of people I know.
If I was even for the money, I would have made the "formula" in packaged form and capitalized on it. I am here to help Ralph, you, or anyone else get started and pass on whatever I know to anyone willing to listen. I hope that this is all over. Take care and have a good day.
 
AlmostHeavenHerps said:
Not everyone is trying to "get one over" on everybody, but maybe those who think everyome is are actually projecting their own motives onto others.
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Some of us have seen so many 'good friends' have deals go south over the years that we understand it's always a good idea to get agreements in writing when it comes to business dealings.


strazkatz said:
With that, I want all the postings down and I will remove mine also.
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Sorry but no, posts are not removed from the BOI.

It sounds like you guys have come to an agreement, I hope it all works out, good luck!
 
Collette has as much say in anything here as I do....She's the only ONE that has helped us with anything we needed, even after a few others knew what I had to care for with the family. She was there, and IS there, to help with whatever we needed here, and always offered her asistance and to be honest, I am very privileged to have her as a friend.
 
Oh by the way MODERATOR. It wasn't meant for this posting/thread to go down.It was meant for all the postings on every1s FB and wherever else they posted.
 
strazkatz said:
Oh by the way MODERATOR. It wasn't meant for this posting/thread to go down.It was meant for all the postings on every1s FB and wherever else they posted.
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I do not see the need to take the lack of clarity in the posts of other parties out on April when she specifically was addressing things in the event the posts referred to happened to be on the BOI.
 
Oh in no way was I taking anything out on her. I just wanted her to know that I knew everything stayed here. My comments were to let her know that. They do a great job having a site like this. Sorry if it was taken wrong.
The issue of posts were meant for the 1s on Facebook (FB)
Nick, hope alls ok
 
Gotcha. I was confused since you capitalized moderator, and the internet use of extended capitalization equates to yelling. Thank you for clarifying and all is okay. :)
 
OK, I have read and reread most of this a few times. There is absolutely no compromise on Ariel's part. Just his "demands" as usual. Guess its true, every time he talks he keeps proving what everyone before has said about him especially RICK G. Ariel has also shown here that he NEVER planned on giving me the lineage for the Chahouas from the start. We bought them in early Sept and weren't given lineage at that time. Now, mind you, we were all on speaking terms then till Oct and we were in contact with 1 or both of them multiple times weekly,either in person or texts, not to mention every show at AAE. We continually asked for the lineage. Any RESPECTABLE breeder would have given that within the first 48 hours. It looks like planned extortion was implimented from the start. Now here's my counter offer ( which a few people have told me to make) Steph gets the girl we bought with her, we want our uncashed check back) and she can keep the $175 we gave her for it when she obtained her.And will give you 2 or 3 babies and I get the lineage.We have already seen how you treat females , Such as Collette, disrespect people of other nationalities, such as what you sent to Rick, which is posted on the thread linked here, and how you treat the elderly, as how you refered to my wife and I . The only thing we haven't seen is which days you kick puppies and start kittens on fire.
Well Ariel, in words that you should be able to understand. "Yo, flex yo'self" and show people you can make a compromise and not need everything to just be your way, or you will continue to pout. I never got a response from you since your last post, and you even blocked a lady that wanted to buy a couple of the geckos you wanted back.
Compromise is give and take..its not everything for Ariel (boohoo)
Ariel accept the compromise and show people that you are capable of it. Then we both walk away and pretend the other doesn't exist. In the real world that's how it should be.
 
strazkatz said:
The only thing we haven't seen is which days you kick puppies and start kittens on fire.
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That's pretty low, which sort of describes where my opinion of you is going, now, and I had no opinion prior to this thread.
BOI threads can turn on a dime, and when that happens, it is almost always the behavior of the involved parties that turns the thread.
Not only did you transact business without the most basic of written agreements (which is OK, we all start somewhere) but (not OK) you continue to keep this disagreement in the gutter instead of just solving business issues in a businesslike manner.
That reflects on you. Ariel's posts in this thread have actually been reasonable and businesslike.

strazkatz said:
Then we both walk away and pretend the other doesn't exist. In the real world that's how it should be.
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In the real world past transactions give readers information about future transactions, and this thread will be here for a long time.
 
Lucille I have tried and so has a friend of mine. They tried contacting them with no response. I want a "compromise" to end all of this and just let it be a bad memory, and a lesson in how business should not be done, even if the other side would be a friend. I still woner why lineage couldnt be given when the purchase was made. This is very taxing and I'm tired of it too. A friend of theirs IM'd me and asked if I offered a compromise. We should both gain a bit and eat a bit, that's compromise and I want that. I would maybe also like the compromise to be here so it will be shown that both parties agree to it and its in writing "here" so we both have to stick to it After its agreed we can both post 'Here" compromise achieved.
 
Bottom line , guess I am totally frustrated with this already and tired of it.And, Lucille, I wont post anything derogatory again.I would just like resolution. We thought it was done long ago, intil a thread was started on another site. Again Lucille, accept my apologies for possibly going the wrong way .
I'm sorry.
 
Lucille, I know the major problem here is that this started on a different site. So it is hard to see what started this thread. For some odd reason I couldn't respond there. A friend of mine does have copies of what started this whole mess, and only with your permission here, will my friend put them here.
 
strazkatz said:
Lucille, I know the major problem here is that this started on a different site. So it is hard to see what started this thread. For some odd reason I couldn't respond there. A friend of mine does have copies of what started this whole mess, and only with your permission here, will my friend put them here.
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Ralph,

I am merely an ordinary member and my permission means nothing, I suggest you review site rules and base your decisions about what you wish to post on them.
For me, it is enough that you have chosen to try to come to an understanding with Ariel, and have made the recent decision to do so courteously. In my experience it is not possibly to work out a compromise if you start it off by kicking dirt in the other party's face.
 
O ty Lucille, I am new here as you can see, All this started again on a facebook site, Supermodel Exotics . Must be the fact that, THAT is his site, explains why I couldn't post there too huh? We will try to bring all the screens up here, but My friend told me the rules here, and there is cursing in it. I think my friend is trying to at least black out those words b4 posting here, then every1 will see what the story is. Now most of the people I know have been blocked there and we have no idea if they are still up. Its not the 1st time either.
 
You are all over the place with your emotions Ralph.

If you want this to end,why have Collette post the screen shots from Facebook? Only to further the drama that has already been started?
If you truly want it to end leave it at your compromise you posted and let ariel respond.
like Lucille said, keep kicking dirt in his face isn't going to make this go any smoother.
 
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