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Briarpatch herps??????? AGAIN

BriarpatchHerps said:


There are posts every week posted all throughout the web from small hobbiests, small breeders and large scale breeders/dealers..........but not a single person has the balls to call those people scammers, cheats or liars.

I would have to agree with WM, why don't some of these people get called out on? I was reading the BR Forum on kingsnake and remembering seeing ad saying "something must be going on here" ummmmmm Let me guess...... What's going on here is the perspective customer is gonna get overcharged, burned, ripped, scammed or whatever you may call it.

Some people can get away with doing such things when others are called in on what they do.
I'm in no way defending WM I'm just making a point. I really like the so-called "New" Spider Ball from Africa posted by Claude Davis
to me it looks like a very nice reduced for $17,000.00 but hey who am I to determine it's not a Spider.
 
This is getting better and better.

1. Ozzy's ads clearly state that they think the animal is "unusual"
You on the otherhand use names of proven morphs.

2. Your gonna call these guys out for selling an "orange tiger" when you just had the same ad up, I SEEN IT, YOU HAD AN "ORANGE TIGER" BALL FOR SALE TOO.

3. AB again, I do see thier ads and I think they are a joke, as most others do.

4. 5. Now your stretching, the first is clearly a spider, and if you knew how hypo's worked, you would know that they shed clear, and if it sheds clear, its a ghost in my book.

6. I have already got into it with Rob, his ads still seem odd to me, but he isnt aking $2200+ for his animals either.

7. WHAT, it looks like it could be a pied to me too......


You have a great point about some of the other morons that post assinine ads, I have called a great number out, and others I ingnore. Again, if you missed it in my prior post, I called you out because this is the 2nd tiime and animal of your was offered as something it clearly is not.
 
I would have to agree with WM, why don't some of these people get called out on?

Spend some time reading the forums before you question others.

A great number of these people have been called out, most by me......
 
1) Did I deny the tiger striped ad? Newp...had you read the ad you would have clearly seen:
Tiger is the pattern, orange is the color-I'm not claiming it to be a morph.

IT WAS A DESCRIPTION!

If you can't look at an orange animal with black stripes and the first image in your mind isn't a tiger you'll be called a liar or crazy by anyone you say it to.

I didn't post that link out of ignorance, it was posted to show people use wording to describe things all the time.

And how you perceive a ghost to be a ghost by shedding clear is very accurate, and it goes right along with everything else posted by you......by god, if you say so-it's fact. Did you email Doug on the Ghost boa? They don't shed clear, should he change the name? Ghost boas are two proven genes two make the one morph, a ball isn't.....it's a morph within itself and the two look NOTHING alike. A ghost is a hypo, shouldn't a hypo African rock python be called a ghost as well? I know my hypo rocks don't shed clear, then what are they if they lack dark pigment....Simple recessive ghost-ish Python Saebe?


2) If an animal looks axanthic people call it axanthic, if it looks albino it's called albino, if it looks hypo it's called hypo........where the difference from scammers and honest people come in is if they tell you WHERE the animal came from. Should people be so politically correct they refer to everything as
"This is a wildcaught imported ball python lacking brown and tan which I think looks alot like an axanthic" everytime they refer to the animal?

If axanthic, spider, hypo is used as the description and the ad or owner clearly explains WHERE the animal originated, describes WHAT it looks like, explains it's NOT a proven gene and explains ALL of the facts about the animal on health, feeding and temperament..........then it's VERY clear to anyone who can read what the animal is, and when it's priced at an affordable rate NOWHERE near a $20k spider it's OBVIOUS.

I did not ask you to trade straight up animal for animal, I asked if you were interested in trades, this is what I have and I'd like to work something out with your pastels.

The largest scale breeders in the business are always posting unproven genes as calicos, anerythristics, axanthics, pieds, hypos, motleys ect ect ect................why? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE DAMN THING LOOKS LIKE! And as respectable, reputable people they clearly state it isn't a proven genetic trait, and they also don't slap a $600 sticker on a $100 animal....it's always a base price of at LEAST $1000. There is not ONE single breeder that works with unproven oddball animals that doesn't have a name on it, I know....I've checked.
Mojave-before it was proven
Ghost-Before it was proven
Labyrinth-Still not proven
Burgandy-Before it was proven
Granite-Before it was proven
Melanistic-Before it was proven
Leucistic burm-Which was never proven
Patternless Boa-Which was never proven
Pearl boa- Which was never proven
Het for albino tegus-Before they were proven
Tiger retic-Before they were proven
Super tiger-Before they were proven
Super salmon boa-Before it was proven

Every morph has been dubbed a descriptive/invented name as something to refer to it as. Calico retics.....they had a name but had never been produced-they looked like calico cats. Did you email Kevin or Extreme Reptiles pissed off because their coined names were ripping off the people with calico cats? Did you climb Al Baldago for calling his new form of retic a tiger? Have you emailed Pete or Bob on their Type II albinos that hadn't been proven? Or the carmel albino retic? It's named after the carmel albino ball.....you better get that nasty post started! But yet both Pete and Brian have different strains of albino....shouldn't new lines of albino be types III, IV, V, VI regardless of the species? Where does it end, what are the limits, what are the expectations and finally who the hell are you to question me on an advertisement or offer to you when I was 100% HONEST?

You're completely self rightous in what you feel, but you're also hypocritical as you've not confronted any of the people above on animals with new names or coined labels calling them dishonest or "thieves of a term".......point and fact I've yet to do anything differently than the rest of the industry, I've yet to be dishonest or call anything that didn't look like a duck..a duck.

Your first point, you said I was ripping people off calling normals pastels, then after explaining myself you claim to understand the mistake, then you go back to the spider ball, then on this last post you return to me trying to rip people off with the pastel term........but wait, that had been cleared up hadn't it?

You catch me selling pied hets when I don't own pieds or find me sending out other peoples photos claiming they are mine when I don't own them, or posting ads, offering trades or inquiries on sales where I don't tell every single thing about the animal to the best of my knowledge...............then you call me dishonest. Until then you're little more than a blowhard with a bug up his ass that has NOTHING to do with me.

:D
 
Did you email Doug on the Ghost boa? They don't shed clear, should he change the name? Ghost boas are two proven genes two make the one morph, a ball isn't.....it's a morph within itself and the two look NOTHING alike. A ghost is a hypo, shouldn't a hypo African rock python be called a ghost as well? I know my hypo rocks don't shed clear, then what are they if they lack dark pigment....Simple recessive ghost-ish Python Saebe?
You can drag this where ever you want, YOU put bull<font color=red>[**censored**]</font> ads up claiming the animals were pastels, THEY ARE NOT.
You offered me an animal as a spider, IT WAS NOT.
I could give a rats ass about other selling Boas and Retics, that is NOT what this thread is about....
GET IT???????



but you're also hypocritical as you've not confronted any of the people above on animals with new names or coined labels calling them dishonest or "thieves of a term"....

WRONG, I have called out pthers, read the damn forums before you flap your jaw.........
The reason this has gone as far as it has is because YOU have offered up BS animals TWICE......
 
There are definately about 5 or more

people who continueously use proven morph names for ch Ball Pythons. This is where the problem comes in. If I got in a 100 lot of Ball Pythons, ch in Africa, I would sell them as normals, unless one was OBVIOUSLY not. Even then, I would make it known that "this is a CH Ball, that looks like it is a(n) Axanthic, Pastel etc. Pastels are pretty easy to identify, Axanthics are not as easy. There is no way that someone getting in WC/CH Balls should sell one as an Axanthic. They are too hard to 100% positively identify. Bottom line: IF THE ANIMAL IS NOT FROM A PROVEN LINE, AND THERE IS ANY DOUBT, THE ANIMAL SHOULD NOT BE SOLD AS A MORPH. If one does not know a Pastel, he/she should not be selling Ball Pythons, period....or at least not morphs. If you have an animal that looks like it could be a pastel, ask!!!!! You will not have any problem getting people to give opinions. If the consensus is that it is a pastel,,,,,etc,,,,like 9 out of 10 people said yes, it is a pastel, sell it as a Possible Pastel, and give names or something reguarding people who said it was a Pastel. More people make themselves look silly trying to sell a normal as a pastel than just about any other morph, maybe hypo or axanthic are close. If there is a doubt, call it a possible...
 
Temper...temper..............don't work yourself up into a full blown tantrum.
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I could give a rats ass about other selling Boas and Retics, that is NOT what this thread is about....
GET IT???????
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Sure I get it, you didn't consider all the facts then (being told what/where the animal came from) and you don't consider all the facts now (EVERYONE uses a recognizable term for description.)

And my comment was you haven't called out the people I listed...please pay attention.

My continued replies serve one purpose.........


Your idiocy entertains me. :D
 
Your idiocy entertains me.

Do you want the shovel now or later?

Your weak ass responses do nothing for me, you have proven yourself as a con.

Keep pawning you CH junk as morphs and we'll see whos around longer. I have tried to give you the benefit or the doubt, but even after you are called out, you still come up with the same BS....

Can I ask why your ads (corrected) have yet to be seen by others yet?

You have NO MORPHS, you a ch junk salesman.......
I would love to see a pic of YOU, with 1.1 pastels in the very near future.......

Is that gonna happen, NO........

And my comment was you haven't called out the people I listed...please pay attention.

They will be called out as needed, I figured the people that tried to con me personally should be first on MY list.....
 
Bill, do I think you are a scam artist...no!

I think you do need to brush up on Ball Morphs, and what constitutes a certain morph, and differentiates them from normals.
You also need to make it clear that your animals are not proven, ch in Africa, not from a known line, etc. If your 1.1 "Pastels" were advertised as follows, I do not think anyone would say anything: For Sale, 1.1 CH (Farm Bred in Africa) Ball Pythons. The pair has a strong resemblance to the proven Pastel lines. These are being sold as *Possible Pastels* No guarantee on the genetics.

I would read this as you got 2 Balls out of hundreds that look very nice. I would look at the pics and make my own decision. I think you using KNOWN names, such as Pastel, Axanthic, Ghost etc., for CH Balls is money driven. But, I think it will burn you in the long ( or short) run.

Dave
 
Dave,


You also need to make it clear that your animals are not proven, ch in Africa, not from a known line, etc. If your 1.1 "Pastels" were advertised as follows, I do not think anyone would say anything: For Sale, 1.1 CH (Farm Bred in Africa) Ball Pythons. Dave


On every single animal I've advertised or offered anyone that has been done, even the email to AG expressed it........as mentioned on the pastel ad it was a miscommunication on this end.

Why are the ads pulled? They were incorrect, reidentification and relisting is in process. It was a mess......plain and simple. And I know you aren't attacking me so no need to explain....your opinions are appreciated as is your advise.


AG,

You'll have been around longer, that's basic science. Fossils are much older than current species.
 
You also need to make it clear that your animals are not proven, ch in Africa, not from a known line, etc. If your 1.1 "Pastels" were advertised as follows, I do not think anyone would say anything: For Sale, 1.1 CH (Farm Bred in Africa) Ball Pythons. Dave

HUH?

On every single animal I've advertised or offered anyone that has been done, even the email to AG expressed it........as mentioned on the pastel ad it was a miscommunication on this end.

HUH?

You'll have been around longer, that's basic science. Fossils are much older than current species.

HUH?
 
Even after a good nights slumber, I still can't figure out what my last 2 quotes meant.

I'm a pretty slow guy, could you please explain?
 
I don't normally participate in these pissing contests, but I've talked to William a time or two and he sounds like a nice enough guy, so I'll give a little outside perspective, so that he'll know what it looks like to an outsider.

From my perspective, here's what it looks like. I'm not saying this is what really happened, but this is what it looks like.

It looks like you pulled a couple of pretty CH imports out of a 100 or 500 lot of $7 Ball Pythons and tried to pass them off as pastels. You even mentioned blushing, etc.

When you got called on it, you used the "Someone else posted that ad and I didn't know about it." story.

Here's why it looks that way to me.

If the "helper" that posted the ad didn't know enough to tell a pastel from a normal, where did they come up with that price? I wouldn't think that someone so "out of the loop" that they don't know a pastel from a pretty normal would know enough to mention "blushing" and things like that.


On the other hand, if your story is true, it still looks bad for you.

Why would this worker of yours do that? Is it common practice for Briarpatch Herps to pick through a bunch of $6 babies and try to sell them for thousands of dollars? If someone would've sent you $4,000 for those two babies, would you have said "No, there's been a mistake?" Bottom line, this entire "accident" looks very unprofessional. You are responsible for what is posted in your ads and you are responsible for who you have working for you. Even if the story is true, it still doesn't make me feel comfortable dealing with Briarpatch Herps.
 
Anthony,

It wasn't an employee......Briarpatch is a one person show. Getting behind put me in a bind of cage cleaning, feeding, sexing, labeling, photos and posting. My extra hands isn't a snake person at all.....not even in the same hemisphere.

I sexed, seperated and took all the pics while he was labeling everything. He was told to go through the classifieds, look at all the captive hatched animals, compare them to what I had sorted out and find out what's going for how much and price everything accordingly to what the animal looked like....black back, reduced pattern, granite ect ect ect. Then run the posts.

The problem came into several animals with nice clean patterns, blushing here and there with very little to no scale tipping...they wound up compared to a pastel in apperance and WHAM it was listed. Once getting online later I recieved a couple emails making me aware of the problem so I checked it out, found the issue and yanked the ads.

That's it in a nutshell chief.
 
Anthony

Very well said indeed Anthony. That is exactly what it looked like to me as an outsider......

Briar........a $2200 oops...come on.







:)
 
?????

"My extra hands isn't a snake person at all.....not even in the same hemisphere"


Okay, I'll bite, how does your helper help with snake chores and such, while you are laid up, and they are not even in the same hemisphere?
 
Jerry.....anyone else


I've yanked the ad and explained it..........that's all I can do and that's that.


I'm not knocking myself out over this, if it doesn't make sense to you or you still think there's more to it don't inquire sales with me.

Honestly this doesn't affect me and I'm done being upset over it, those that know me know I straight up. As for the rest.........you can't satisfy everyone.


Sooooooooooooo all being explained and said, have fun with the thread.....make it a winner! :)
 
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