Briarpatch herps??????? AGAIN

[The BoidSmith]

The rest were fancies "greens, granites, green granites, so so reduced patterns, labyrinths, jungle pattern, high golds, high contrast, black backs"

THESE ARE NOT MORPHS yet all of you have called them that.....they are varients. The ONLY one that was mislabeled was the pastel colored animals and that has been explained.

It's difficult to determine where to draw the line. Reduced pattern for example was proven genetic by NERD, thus its name now applies to a certain type (variant, mutation?) of ball python. NERD calls them mutations.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ball_gallery.html
The Most Extensive Collection of Ball Python Mutations in Captivity

Reduced pattern

This form appears as an orange/tan base color with reduced black saddling and banding. With the animals that we have proven here there is a yellow blotch in front of the animal's eyes. Both adults have this characteristic as well as all of the babies. This pattern mutation will lend a lot of promise to various color morphs, such as the Caramels, Albinos, Axanthics and Ghosts…a combination of this pattern with any color variation will be together beautiful and fascinating!

This has nothing to do with BriarpatchHerps ads but is a more general question. If someone has a reduced pattern ball python for sale, how should he label it? Does this mean no one should be using the term "reduced pattern" in their ads any more because NERD already is using this name and has been proven genetic?

Regards.

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

My GTP group:

Ken Foose-CB Female-Aru
John Mack-Columbus Reptile show HY X Biak outcross
Pete Kahl-Daytona TW line-Aru
RH Exotics-hatchlings/non spec. local
Exotic Jungle-Daytona-Sorong


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Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 9:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
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I dont know how you knew I'd be interested but im trying to get out of herps...my green tree pythons. I have some up for sale on the arboreal classifieds? I have a cb patternless female and a 6 year old male aru. Let me know if your interested. I've never had a gila before. Dont know too much about them, I use to want one but kinda lost hope. Are they hard to keep?

Thanks Tim COplan

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Date: 8/5/2003 4:48:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Yea I have been to Dr.Sewards site. I gotta think about the trade because the reason I was selling some of my collection was I didnt have the space/time for them and I need some new tires for my truck. Does the gila come with paperwork and stuff?

Thanks Again
Tim Coplan

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Tim,
Yes I found your ads and have interest in both arus and the neonate biak. This gila is unsexed, 100% hand tame, flawless GUARANTEED, feeds really well on mice or rat pups and would be breedable next year. It was produced by Mark Seward selectively bred for for color, pattern and contrast-it gets better with every shed. At hatching it was purchased for $2200 and with its increased size, color and genetic background Im only looking for $2800. Im not sure if you know who Mark Seward is but he is to gilas like Tony Nicoli is to basins, Eugene Bassett is to chondros and Trooper Walsh is to chondros. The only reason Im parting with this guy is I recently purchased 2.2 adult tiger retics het for true amelanistic, 2.3 Jampea dwarf retics, 1.1 HUGE adult Boelens pythons and a decent sized group of chondros. Ive got a ton of projects for this year and retics dont thrive in fishbowls so what space this guy needs I'll use for chondros. If I was able to find a compariable mate theres no way in hell Id part with it, just too attractive and sweet yanno? Bomb me with questions of any type, I'll help you all the way into breeding. I fell in love with these guys when I worked on a breeding program for Komodo dragons, Gilas/Beaded lizards and Boelens pythons with the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden.

Bill
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Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/11/2003 10:41:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
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I didnt know you wanted anything besides the three green tree pythons. I dont have any cash or anything else besides them, because the reason I was selling them was to get tires/ and pay off my truck.

Thanks Tim Coplan
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what was your game plan for the value difference?
$1700 vs $2800

Bill
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No thanks. All I have are gtps and emeralds. Im going to only keep 1.1 killer sorongs. A high white light phase male etb. And Im supposed to be getting a hy gtp neo and a neo basin. Im just selling my 2 arus probablly.

Thanks for the offer

Tim C
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Tim,
Are you interested in trades of any kind and if so what? Ive got some really nice super dwarf retics coming up on two years old and barely 3 1/2-4ft. Super little animals, mature and breedable at 4-5 ft. 100% flawless, tame as any ball youll find, feeding on 2-3 100gm FT rats per week. Let me know and take care in the meantime bud.

Bill
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Tim,

I was WRONG about Christmas BUT.....I told you from jump what I had in the animal and what I needed back due to growth.

We went back and forth and you wound up having to pass due to money shortage to make up the difference. You also didn't have anything to kick in animal wise.

You WERE as I said looking to get OUT of herps and specifically ALL your chondros first.

Yes I did offer you the super dwarfs as a chance for us to make a deal, you obviously passed as you never replied so that ended that.


Sorry buddy, anything else you would like to add?
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[BriarpatchHerps]

Hey thanks for pointing that out Alvaro, I didn't realize reduced patterns had be proven out by anyone. Especially since they are all labeled that. Now does this mean all reduced patterns that have been found are genetic or just the one line NERD proved?

Sorry about that folks, it's a new one on me.


Appreciate the update man TYVM.

 

[TimCoplan]

Whoaa I NEVER SAID I was getting out of green trees, I SAID that I needed to sell about 3 to get some new tires, but NEVER said I was getting out of green trees, I dont know if you changed the emails or what, but i didnt say that. I lost hope in the search for gila? Thats another corny line that I dont use.

Looks like you forgot to change this email.

" I was selling some of my collection was I didnt have the space/time for them and I need some new tires for my truckk"

If I would have "sold my whole collection" how come my emerald, jaya/sorong pair and biak pair werent up for sale?

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

LOL

Now I'm changing emails? Tell ya what chief..........I'll forward them to YOU right now and ANYONE else that wants them. I posted the ones pertaining to what you called me out on but I'll send every damn one and see who looks like the horses ass.

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

ALL OF TIMS EMAILS TO ME

Subj: All of Tims emails to me
Date: 5/15/2004 11:43:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BriarPatch Herps
To: [email protected]



Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/11/2003 10:54:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Thanks for the offer but no thanks... Im not into ball pythons.



Talk to you later
TIm Coplan
> Tim,
> Understandable, I appologize but I purchased the animal as a baby from
> Mark for $2200 as it was a litter pick. I do have that axanthic ball which is
> in the same price range...pics attatched if you like it and if not take care
> and talk soon.
>
> Bill

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Date: 8/11/2003 10:41:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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I didnt know you wanted anything besides the three green tree pythons. I dont
have any cash or anything else besides them, because the reason I was selling
them was to get tires/ and pay off my truck.



Thanks Tim Coplan
> what was your game plan for the value difference?
> $1700 vs $2800
>
> Bill


Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/8/2003 10:23:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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When would you like to ship? I can ship anytime when I get back. I will be
back on monday.



Thanks Tim Coplan
> Marks searching for the records from the original buyer. Gilas are baskers
> for the most part, in the wild theyre nocturnal due to the high daytime heat but
> in captivity they stay visble as they slumber. Adults are 2ft approx 2 1/2-
> 3lbs and this one feeds strongly but not aggressive like a monitor or retic
> would.
>
> Bill


Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/7/2003 4:41:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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The patternless aru female just shed last night! Im going to feed them
tonight too!




Tim COplan
> Marks searching for the records from the original buyer. Gilas are baskers
> for the most part, in the wild theyre nocturnal due to the high daytime heat but
> in captivity they stay visble as they slumber. Adults are 2ft approx 2 1/2-
> 3lbs and this one feeds strongly but not aggressive like a monitor or retic
> would.
>
> Bill

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Date: 8/7/2003 3:26:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Hey sorry I havnt replyed. My computer had a virus on it and I did a system
restore. Sounds good. When were you planning on shipping? Im leaving for
the beach tommorow.



Thanks Tim Coplan
> Marks searching for the records from the original buyer. Gilas are baskers
> for the most part, in the wild theyre nocturnal due to the high daytime heat but
> in captivity they stay visble as they slumber. Adults are 2ft approx 2 1/2-
> 3lbs and this one feeds strongly but not aggressive like a monitor or retic
> would.
>
> Bill


Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/6/2003 1:06:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Yea I dont care which way it is shipped? When did Dr. Seward say he was gonna
send the paperwork? Do gilas spend most of their time burrowed or just under a
hide spot or walking around? Is this guy an aggressive feeder? How big do
adults get and how much do they weigh?




Thanks TIm Coplan
> Deltas the typical way used in venemous animals but that pertains to lethal
> snakes, gilas and beadeds are in that grey area. Ive recieved animals via UPS,
> airborne express and RDS due to some people being a long haul from an
> airport.....like myself Im 1 1/2hrs away from one.
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 8:54:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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How woudl you ship her?
> I got her at four months of age and didnt get pics of the parents but you can
> find the same bloodline on Marks webpage. At maturity "she'll" have bright
> pinks and oranges throughout her body and maintain thick black marking....very
> high contrast.
>
> Bill


Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 8:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Have you had her since a baby? What shoudl her colors turn out to look like?
Do you have any pictures of the parents?


Thanks Tim Coplan
> captive bred gilas are exceptionally tame and calm, even wild ones can be
> picked up with caution as they have no natural enemies. Sex hasnt been
> determined
> yet, a ultrasound needs to be done to do so but from head size/shape and pear
> shaped body I feel its a female. (not a 100% accurate way to sex them) and
> shes "for arguments sake" just under two years old.
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 7:36:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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All I have up for sale is the 2 arus and the biak. Are gilas usually tame?
How old is it? Do you know if its a male or female?


Thanks TIm Coplan
> adult gilas do very well in sweater boxes, they only need 3sf of cage space.
> leather gloves work just fine, their teeth arent very big (I dont use
> anything, hes mellow and Im comfortable with them) eating frozen thawed and
> substrate
> can be the same as snakes or lizards-newspaper, aspen chips, orchard bark,
> corn meal, gravel or sand. I always kept my tegus on cornmeal because it clumps
> like litter and a mouthfull of it when diving for food wasnt bad for them. As
> for biting Ive yet to see this one try, about as layed bak as they come. What
> else did you have available aside from the arus? I need $2800 value out of this
> critter
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 6:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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ok sounds good. What type of cage are you using? What would be a good cage?
Im tihnking about building one. What is the best substrate? Can I handle
them with gloves and without it biting? Is it eating frozen thawed?



Thanks Tim Coplan
> Yes, Ive requested new papers from Mark the first set was destroyed in a
> flood.
>
> Bill


Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 4:48:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Yea I have been to Dr.Sewards site. I gotta think about the trade because the
reason I was selling some of my collection was I didnt have the space/time for
them and I need some new tires for my truck. Does the gila come with
paperwork and stuff?


Thanks Again
Tim Coplan
> Tim,
> Yes I found your ads and have interest in both arus and the neonate
> biak. This gila is unsexed, 100% hand tame, flawless GUARANTEED, feeds really
> well on mice or rat pups and would be breedable next year. It was produced by
> Mark Seward selectively bred for for color, pattern and contrast-it gets better
> with every shed. At hatching it was purchased for $2200 and with its increased
> size, color and genetic background Im only looking for $2800. Im not sure if
> you know who Mark Seward is but he is to gilas like Tony Nicoli is to basins,
> Eugene Bassett is to chondros and Trooper Walsh is to chondros. The only
> reason Im parting with this guy is I recently purchased 2.2 adult tiger retics
> het
> for true amelanistic, 2.3 Jampea dwarf retics, 1.1 HUGE adult Boelens pythons
> and a decent sized group of chondros. Ive got a ton of projects for this year
> and retics dont thrive in fishbowls so what space this guy needs I'll use for
> chondros. If I was able to find a compariable mate theres no way in hell Id
> part with it, just too attractive and sweet yanno? Bomb me with questions of any
> type, I'll help you all the way into breeding. I fell in love with these guys
> when I worked on a breeding program for Komodo dragons, Gilas/Beaded lizards
> and Boelens pythons with the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden.
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 9:50:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Did you see my add on the arboreal classifieds? Would you be interested in
those two?

Why are you selling it?

Thanks TIm Coplan
> it was easy, who doesnt think gila are gorgeous? Honestly Tim theyre the most
> undemanding animal Ive owned. Adults need 3 square foot of cage, newspaper or
> whatever as bedding, two feedings a week of rodents and a temp varient of
> high 60s to mid 90s. Comparibly I would put them against a ball python, just
> calm
> low maintenance animals.
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 9:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)



I dont know how you knew I'd be interested but im trying to get out of
herps...my green tree pythons. I have some up for sale on the arboreal
classifieds? I have a cb patternless female and a 6 year old male aru. Let me
know if your interested. I've never had a gila before. Dont know too much
about them, I use to want one but kinda lost hope. Are they hard to keep?



Thanks Tim COplan
> you bet....its a Mark Seward animal the gila god lol. Whats available for you
> to offer?
> Pretty sure I mentioned but this critters hand tame, not a single bit of
> aggression and as you seen from the pics its not starving =)
>
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003 1:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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Yes he looks awesome! Are you interested in trading?



Thanks TIm COplan
> Tim,
> Interested in a superb subadult banded gila? Hand tame, flawless and
> feeding on rat pups or mice.
>
> Bill

Subj: Re: chondros
Date: 8/17/2003 11:53:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
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No thanks. All I have are gtps and emeralds. Im going to only keep 1.1 killer
sorongs. A high white light phase male etb. And Im supposed to be getting a
hy gtp neo and a neo basin. Im just selling my 2 arus probablly.


Thanks for the offer

Tim C
> Tim,
> Are you interested in trades of any kind and if so what? Ive got some
> really nice super dwarf retics coming up on two years old and barely 3
> 1/2-4ft. Super little animals, mature and breedable at 4-5 ft. 100% flawless,
> tame as
> any ball youll find, feeding on 2-3 100gm FT rats per week. Let me know and
> take care in the meantime bud.
>
> Bill

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

ALL OF MY EMAILS TO TIM


Subj: All of my emails to Tim
Date: 5/15/2004 11:49:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BriarPatch Herps
To: [email protected]



Subj: chondros
Date: 8/17/2003
To: [email protected]



Tim,
Are you interested in trades of any kind and if so what? Ive got some really nice super dwarf retics coming up on two years old and barely 3 1/2-4ft. Super little animals, mature and breedable at 4-5 ft. 100% flawless, tame as any ball youll find, feeding on 2-3 100gm FT rats per week. Let me know and take care in the meantime bud.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/11/2003
To: [email protected]
File: C:\Documents and Settings\Bill Horn\Desktop\Temp files\Axa4.jpg (89846 bytes) DL Time (46667 bps): < 1 minute



Tim,
Understandable, I appologize but I purchased the animal as a baby from Mark for $2200 as it was a litter pick. I do have that axanthic ball which is in the same price range...pics attatched if you like it and if not take care and talk soon.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/8/2003
To: [email protected]



what was your game plan for the value difference?
$1700 vs $2800

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/6/2003
To: [email protected]



Marks searching for the records from the original buyer. Gilas are baskers for the most part, in the wild theyre nocturnal due to the high daytime heat but in captivity they stay visble as they slumber. Adults are 2ft approx 2 1/2- 3lbs and this one feeds strongly but not aggressive like a monitor or retic would.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



Deltas the typical way used in venemous animals but that pertains to lethal snakes, gilas and beadeds are in that grey area. Ive recieved animals via UPS, airborne express and RDS due to some people being a long haul from an airport.....like myself Im 1 1/2hrs away from one.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



I got her at four months of age and didnt get pics of the parents but you can find the same bloodline on Marks webpage. At maturity "she'll" have bright pinks and oranges throughout her body and maintain thick black marking....very high contrast.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



captive bred gilas are exceptionally tame and calm, even wild ones can be picked up with caution as they have no natural enemies. Sex hasnt been determined yet, a ultrasound needs to be done to do so but from head size/shape and pear shaped body I feel its a female. (not a 100% accurate way to sex them) and shes "for arguments sake" just under two years old.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



adult gilas do very well in sweater boxes, they only need 3sf of cage space. leather gloves work just fine, their teeth arent very big (I dont use anything, hes mellow and Im comfortable with them) eating frozen thawed and substrate can be the same as snakes or lizards-newspaper, aspen chips, orchard bark, corn meal, gravel or sand. I always kept my tegus on cornmeal because it clumps like litter and a mouthfull of it when diving for food wasnt bad for them. As for biting Ive yet to see this one try, about as layed bak as they come. What else did you have available aside from the arus? I need $2800 value out of this critter

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



Yes, Ive requested new papers from Mark the first set was destroyed in a flood.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



it was easy, who doesnt think gila are gorgeous? Honestly Tim theyre the most undemanding animal Ive owned. Adults need 3 square foot of cage, newspaper or whatever as bedding, two feedings a week of rodents and a temp varient of high 60s to mid 90s. Comparibly I would put them against a ball python, just calm low maintenance animals.

Bill
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]



you bet....its a Mark Seward animal the gila god lol. Whats available for you to offer?
Pretty sure I mentioned but this critters hand tame, not a single bit of aggression and as you seen from the pics its not starving =)


Bill
Subj: (no subject)
Date: 8/5/2003
To: [email protected]
File: C:\Program Files\America Online 8.0\misc\temp\Gil04.ZIP (23475 bytes) DL Time (46667 bps): < 1 minute



Tim,
Interested in a superb subadult banded gila? Hand tame, flawless and feeding on rat pups or mice.

Bill




An apology will be fine Tim and I'll have no hard feelings.

 

[NEWReptiles]

Still no pastel pics/ads up.

I wonder why.........

 

[KelliH]

Deltas the typical way used in venemous animals but that pertains to lethal snakes, gilas and beadeds are in that grey area. Ive recieved animals via UPS, airborne express and RDS due to some people being a long haul from an airport.....like myself Im 1 1/2hrs away from one.

Maybe it's just me but I do not feel that gilas and beadeds are in that "grey area", they are highly venomous lizards and should NEVER be shipped UPS, Airborne or Fed Ex. Just because you are 1 1/2 hours away from the airport is no excuse either.

Venomous reptiles should be shipped Delta only, anyone who ships them via overnight courier service or through the mail is just plain irresponsible in my opinion.

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

I agree 100% kelli, I always use Delta dash or Air Cargo. By grey area I mean on their lists of can not ship animals it's snakes and mammals. Lizards, turtles, tortises, fish, birds and non toxic insects are allowed...which is a major screw up on their part because anyone getting nailed by heloderma is not going to be a happy camper for a couple weeks. IF they're lucky enough to not die from anaphylactic shock.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Either they are venomous or not.

Lizards, turtles, tortises, fish, birds and non toxic insects are allowed...which is a major screw up on their part because anyone getting nailed by heloderma is not going to be a happy camper for a couple weeks.

In my opinion Kelli was referening to the facy that they are venomous, not that they are lizards. It doesn't matter if a person is not happy because he got nailed after shipping Heloderma. He will get nailed because he was shipping a poisonous animal it doesn't matter that it happened to be a lizard.

 

[KelliH]

I agree 100% kelli, I always use Delta dash or Air Cargo. By grey area I mean on their lists of can not ship animals it's snakes and mammals. Lizards, turtles, tortises, fish, birds and non toxic insects are allowed...which is a major screw up on their part because anyone getting nailed by heloderma is not going to be a happy camper for a couple weeks. IF they're lucky enough to not die from anaphylactic shock.

Yes, harmless (ie. not venomous) lizards can be shipped that way. I am pretty confident that all of these companies state in their "rules"/"policies" that no venomous animals can be shipped, period. Like I said, anyone that ships gilas/beadeds in any way other than Delta is 1.) an idiot and 2.)lazy and 3.)cheap

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

Agreed, but that wasn't my point...............the way they have it listed leaves room for misinterpretation. I had heloderma arrive thru UPS and had no idea the guy had done it until he gave me the order number. Several years back I had scorpions and tarantulas shipped by "Air" which turned out to be RDS overnight and Airborn.

Their reasoning was distance and cost so they checked their local overnight service..... "It was cheaper to send it through cargo, you'll have it tomorrow" Which Air Cargo with Delta is very commonly used and is overnight, getting in the habit of double checking your double check on how they're sending the animals isn't going overboard as far as I'm concerned.

It's really bad news, when I ship from UPS or FED EX they never ask me what I'm shipping even though the boxes are clearly labeled reptiles-Live Harmless Cold Blooded Pets. Hopefully it's because they know me and not because they count on everyone to be truthful on the "contents" section of the shipping form. Even if the animals inside are harmless it still doesn't insure the package is going to recieve the utmost care.

 

[TimCoplan]

"Hey sorry I havnt replyed. My computer had a virus on it and I did a system
restore. Sounds good. When were you planning on shipping? Im leaving for
the beach tommorow."

Thanks for posting all the emails, it just showed how you led me on and then last minute backed out on the deal, prob offered someone in another trade what I was supposedly getting. Nowhere in my emails did I say I was selling my collection, not anywhere in the adds, or emails. I said i was getting rid of a few snakes for tires. People who know me/purchased the snakes I was selling can verify this.

I dont even know why I am wasting my time with the the pseudomorph king, not only do you do it with gtps, but also with ball pythons.

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

ummmmmmmm you need to reread that thread buddyboy


1) I told you in the very beginning I needed $2800 out of that animal

2) we went back and forth for a week with me telling you TWICE what I had to have out of it.

3) YOU cancelled the deal because you couldn't swap me even for your chondros which you had posted for NO WHERE NEAR $2800


Nice try though

 

[TimCoplan]

lets get this straight buddy boy, it was a trade and in trades you dont have to do what the cash value is, animals are usually less than what its worth in a trade. You were the one who emailed me asking to trade, i said sure with the only animals I had for sale, not my whole collection. If you read the emails, it never said hey tim im gonna need some new animals cause its just not adding up, only time you mentioned that was at the end, better read up on those emails you trying to side track the issue of this thread, cause all I remember is that you were trying to sell some regular ball pythons, not for the usuall 10 dollars. Id also love to see some paperwork on those gtps of yorus because I frequent the gtp forums and havnt seen any siblings resembling anything you have. Have fun trading!

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

lol................all the proof is right there in black and white "I never said I was selling my collection" yes you did. "You never said we were trading dollar for dollar" Yes I did. "All you chondros are imports" Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, I gave you producer info. "you backed out on the deal after stringing me along" Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, you backed off whenyou couldn't swap me $1200 (at best) chondros for a $2800 gila. lol


And I'll be damned if your pc doesn't contract a virus at the exact time you need to reply in a hurry.

BACK PADDLE TIM BACK PADDLE!

Sucks to be you on this subject doesn't it cupcake? LMAO

 

[Vegeta]

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Its funny to see how brian trys to drag monitor boy down for misrepresenting an animal and then he goes and does it himself.The car accident must of been his fault and he was short on money so was desperate enough to do what he had to do to get the bills paid.Well brian right now I think it sucks to be you.Goodluck with ripping people off.Dallas Smith

 

[Ken Foose]

Who the heck is Brian?

 

[BriarpatchHerps]

Beats me man, I'm still trying to figure out where Brian called monitor boy out for misrepresenting an animal. All I seen was Brian asking if the animals looked the same size. He represented his animals just fine and they looked great...........Brian just thought he sent him an adult photo instead of a baby photo by mistake. <shrugs>