I don't know you from adam either although you have tried to trade me an axantic ball (unproven c.h. import) for 2 baby chondros I was selling. I don't know about you but who is going to sac a couple thousand to get some chondros which they could easily get else where for 350+?
John Light
Thank you for pointing out my inquiry John I appreciate it. The animal offered was showing "potential and characteristics" of an axanthic-I never stuck a several thousand dollar price tag on a maybe gene, it was advertised honestly, described honestly and marketed as "maybe so, maybe not-definately affordable and worth while if it was, a gorgeous animal to work with if it wasn't." Wm
So a person that uses coined names (ie.. pastel, spider) to try and get people to trade thier PROVEN morphs for $6 imports is not in the wrong? Al Guetzkow
I invested no where near $6 for that animal and not a dealer around would sell it for such. At least be realistic. Wm
I disagree, I see the possible spider as a scam, and I also see ads up for clearly normal ball pythons that are labeled as pastels a scam as well. Al Guetzkow
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Ghosts, axanthics, xantics, burgandys, pastels, granites, hypos, greens, stripes, motleys, calicos, brindles. Plus others I'm forgetting.
Are ALL animals deriving from imported animals that looked different than normal and the owners/purchasers seen possibilities of genetics and WERE priced and purchased as such. Under your description the small breeders, resellers and large name breeders are scamming people when they resell odd imports at a substantially higher price and sell their first year "HETS" at a higher price are all SCAMMING and being dishonest when they market their animals as I do offering photos and information of the animals origin.
Bill, can you tell me how many breeders said it WAS a spider?
Al Guetzkow
"I sent that photo to a half dozen breeders and not one single" person came back saying it didn't look like a promising animal. Wm
You clearly answered your own question. This top left animal is a spider, produced by NERD.....compare the two. You think I pulled my animal out of thin air and didn't do research to do camparison on that particular morph and learn more about it? Once again....you're wrong. Wm
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/wi...ery_pics/ball_pics/spider/spidertrio08-L.jpg
Briarpatch has been on my "sells iffy ch as proven morphs" list for awhile. I do not recall all the specifics, but I do know that Briarpatch, the name, brings "fake" morphs to mind. It could have been an axanthic that looked like a normal from awhile back, but cannot be sure.
Bottom line, nobody with a normal 1.1 pair of Balls at home will care one way or the other what Bill is selling. BUT, the people who have invested $$$$$$ on proven spiders, axanthics, pastel are going to have a problem with selling unproven ch animals as morphs. Look, if you get CH animals in, do one of 3 things:
1-sell them all in bulk, as normals
2-hand pick some nice animals, if some look like they could be a pastel, sell them as nice high end normals, that look like they could be a pastel, ghost, axanthic etc.
3-PROVE THEM OUT
David Reid
Thanks for pointing that out David. Have you checked to see if the Barkers, Snake Keeper, Ralph Davis, Mike Joliff, Grandzini, Barczyks, NERD, Bob Clark, Al Balgao.......purchased the animals they seen potential in for $6.00 each? Have you checked websites describing the axanthic gene explaining only BABIES are pure grey/black/white and that the ADULTS start to show some brown with maturity as some yellow begins to show? Axanthic is NOT a total lack of yellow but a limited amount that does......in fact......make the adults look nothing like the young and very often appear just a little off being normal. Axanthics are missing one or several layers of yellow but not all. As the animals mature and start to gain their adult coloration some yellow does begin to appear and gives them some brown coloration. Ralph Davis bred multiple groups of WC/CH "axanthics" on the same principle- THEY LOOKED DIFFERENT Think he spent $6.00 each? I seriously doubt he spent time raising, feeding and housing animals because they looked like pretty fancies.
Also anyone photographing reptiles KNOWS how difficult it is to capture an animals true color and appearance and that it takes a great amount of trial and error to get it right.....lighting, contrast, exposure time, lens type, background, brightness/contrast, hue/saturation, noise filter on/off, sharpness/blur, pre shed-post shed, speed light flash timing, shutter speed, focus ect ect ect.....hell you can invest almost as much as one investment quality animal into photo equipment before getting it right. Which not everyone can do, I started off stuck with a $100 JVC that took great portraits but couldn't do any justice for an animal.......it wasn't until several months ago I got ahold of a Nikon and I'm still playing with all those settings for mirror like photos.
Value: What it's worth to an individual
Potential: Is the possible profit worth the price
Scam, Lie, Cheat : Dishonest behavior, with holding facts, bad reputation, misleading photos or none at all.
If I see animals listed that are posted for more than what I feel they're worth-and it happens every day, $1000 pair of albino burms? $700 adult burm?......I simply don't reply to the ad, let the guy get no offers, he'll adjust his price eventually as he'll be forced to do so.
If I see potential in something and throw a price out to fish with and get no bites I'll adjust it. Everyone comes down from their original price when no offers are made. If you don't agree with what I see, fine so be it...you're an adult, show no interest or make an offer of what it's worth to you. If the owner says no, move on or change your offer.
Those of you trying to insinuate I attempted to scam, con or lie in order to make a buck really amuse me. There are posts every week posted all throughout the web from small hobbiests, small breeders and large scale breeders/dealers..........but not a single person has the balls to call those people scammers, cheats or liars. It's always racked up to "I don't see anything special enough to invest that much"
Instead we're discussing where all the facts were given, all the facts were supported and not one single person has said I lied to them or refused to make a deal right with someone. Call me a nut all day long or even inexperienced for how I perceive things, that's just fine........I learn something new every day. But to call me dishonest is simply hysterical and hypocritical on the behalf of anyone making that claim. Like I stated last time, anyone that feels I'm dishonest or shady I don't want your business......you would prove to be more of a pain in the ass to try and satisfy than any dollar amount is worth. Some simply can't be pleased regardless of what you do and if that be the case I'll do what most others wont and tell you point blank, I'm not wasting my time on you.
