Bad Guy Bridge Dragons -http://www.thebridgekicks.com - STOLE MY MONEY!

[PsycHD_Student]

They buyer currently has the roaches & the money.

Wendy could send a postage label, then she would get her roaches back.

 

[kerrek]

Quite frankly, because it would go a long way towards repairing Randie / Shawn's reputation. As it stands now he is a thief, no better than the OP.

Would your reputation be worth $10 kerre, if you were in this situation? Would you rather be out $10 that be considered a thief? I know I would.

My personal dislike for the OP aside ... returning the roaches is the right thing.

However, Wendy may want to address some of her own BG BOI posts before posting again.

How the heck would my reputation be at risk because a seller sent me the wrong items, failed to return my texts, and wanted me to pay return shipping?If Wendy wants the buyer to trust her then she should send out the correct roaches with a return label for the incorrect roaches. That is how business is done. When you make a mistake you fix it for your customer you don't ask them to go out of their way to fix your mistake. I don't understand your argument at all. If Wendy had sent a label and the buyer refused to send the roaches back yeah they'd be a theif but as it sits right now Wendy doesn't seem to want her roaches back.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

How the heck would my reputation be at risk because a seller sent me the wrong items, failed to return my texts, and wanted me to pay return shipping?If Wendy wants the buyer to trust her then she should send out the correct roaches with a return label for the incorrect roaches. That is how business is done. When you make a mistake you fix it for your customer you don't ask them to go out of their way to fix your mistake. I don't understand your argument at all. If Wendy had sent a label and the buyer refused to send the roaches back yeah they'd be a theif but as it sits right now Wendy doesn't seem to want her roaches back.

I agree with you. The buyer has done nothing wrong in this transaction. There's no reason at all for them to lose any money.

 

[Snake-Queen]

How the heck would my reputation be at risk because a seller sent me the wrong items, failed to return my texts, and wanted me to pay return shipping?If Wendy wants the buyer to trust her then she should send out the correct roaches with a return label for the incorrect roaches. That is how business is done. When you make a mistake you fix it for your customer you don't ask them to go out of their way to fix your mistake. I don't understand your argument at all. If Wendy had sent a label and the buyer refused to send the roaches back yeah they'd be a theif but as it sits right now Wendy doesn't seem to want her roaches back.

The buyer filed a dispute with Paypal to get his money back, didn't allow th OP to rectify the situation. (Not that she would have)

Truthfully, I could care less ... both the OP & Bridge Dragons are shady in my book. I don't by his excuse of an unknown partner.

I see no point in continuing this debate, as both parties have not responded to this thread in sometime, the OP not at all. So I guess the buyer can keep the free roaches.

 

[Lucille]

Uniform Commercial Code Sales


§ 2-601. Buyer's Rights on Improper Delivery.

Subject to the provisions of this Article on breach in installment contracts (Section 2-612) and unless otherwise agreed under the sections on contractual limitations of remedy (Sections 2-718 and 2-719), if the goods or the tender of delivery fail in any respect to conform to the contract, the buyer may

(a) reject the whole; or

(b) accept the whole; or

(c) accept any commercial unit or units and reject the rest.

§ 2-602. Manner and Effect of Rightful Rejection.

(1) Rejection of goods must be within a reasonable time after their delivery or tender. It is ineffective unless the buyer seasonably notifies the seller.

(2) Subject to the provisions of the two following sections on rejected goods (Sections 2-603 and 2-604),

(a) after rejection any exercise of ownership by the buyer with respect to any commercial unit is wrongful as against the seller; and

(b) if the buyer has before rejection taken physical possession of goods in which he does not have a security interest under the provisions of this Article (subsection (3) of Section 2-711), he is under a duty after rejection to hold them with reasonable care at the seller's disposition for a time sufficient to permit the seller to remove them; but

(c) the buyer has no further obligations with regard to goods rightfully rejected.

 

[Bridge Dragons]

I wasn't going to post on here again but just to defend my reputation I guess it's a must. It seems worthless because just like most BOI threads, no matter what you say or how innocent you really are there is always a pack of wolves ready to attack and turn you into a bad guy. We all share a common interest here, that being the love for animals. I breed and collect as a hobby and I believe I produce beautiful healthy specimens. We should be a community here helping each other out not attacking each other and passing judgment like we are some higher power. Everyone makes mistakes. Granted there are people on here that knowingly sell sick animals and scam people out of their money. Those are the people that deserve to be targeted. I did nothing wrong here to my knowledge.

The whole Shawn Carter incident first off. It was 2 people using one account. The writing style is the same because it was the same person writing it. When we created that account, it was made way before knowing and fully understanding the rules of Fauna. It was two people breeding bearded dragons and finding a website to advertise them on (Fauna).If I would have known, I would have created my own account back then but it was years ago and it can not be changed at this point. All I can do now is say who I am and I'm a good person but I cannot force one to believe so. I definitely did not create a new account to deceive anyone at all or shed a bad guy thread. As I said if that was my intentions I would have changed the whole bridge dragons name. I simply shut the bridge dragons website down, so I changed the user name on fauna to bridge dragons because there was no longer a .com. I created the new account and would be the only one using it so the obvious thing to do was use my name. It would have been deceiving to keep the old account. There was nothing to hide. As you see there is no shedding a bad guy thread still using bridge dragons because no matter how you type it, all the threads still come up. I knew that they would still appear and also knew if I changed the name completely THAT would be deceiving. That is why I did not drop the bridge dragons name because I did not want to seem as if I was hiding something or some kind of scammer. I’m focusing more on ball pythons now so I’m considering another name change to be more directed towards ball pythons or reptiles in general. Keeping simply dragon on my name in my opinion wouldn’t be right either because it’s not just dragons anymore. We were not running some huge franchise. We were two younger gentlemen starting out in the breeding/selling/collecting of reptiles. Just like many starting off there are plenty of mistakes to be made. Since then, like most who stick with it, I personally have grown and have learned much about this hobby and the rules and ropes of conducting business.

As far as Wendy, I have more baby dubia then I know what to do with. I never from the start of the transaction wanted dubia roaches. For those acting as if I’m stealing these roaches is ridiculous. You have to look at obvious facts here. She made a mistake on my order. She refused to respond back or to correct it .I gave her plenty of time to do so and patiently waited. When I seen nothing was happening I filed a PayPal dispute and had my money refunded. People are saying I’m supposed to ship these back to save my reputation and I’m making myself look like a thief. Is the cost of shipping worth my reputation??? Definitely not! However I can not ship these roaches back without her confirmation. I cannot for the sake of the animal just ship these back to her. SHE HAS TO GIVE ME THE OK TO SHIP. I haven’t heard from this woman since a whole week before she created this thread. As you see in my pictures she never responded back to me telling me to ship these back. She has to give me a label and I will gladly send them back because they belong to her due to the fact I received a refund no thanks to her. I didn’t even want a refund, I wanted 2000 discoid roaches.

I did not and do not wish to have enemies on here. We are a community of reptile and amphibian enthusiasts/hobbyists. I conduct good business and should not be in a bad guy category. The only problem I have ever really had in all my years enjoying this hobby is the shipping error with Ed Clark. I’ll admit then also I was much younger physically and mentally. My responses back to Ed were out of anger and I made myself look like a fool. Mainly because I was furious he made a thread on me before trying to resolve the situation with me first. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and can view me however they wish. People that know me know the truth and that is what matters to me. Especially to Ed Clark I’d much rather be a friend and sincerely apologize once again for whatever has happened in the past. I can do nothing more then that. We are all humans. No one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone has skeletons in the closet. For the most part that is my peace. What else can I say?


Take Care,
Randie Trump

P.S. I apologize for any errors in spelling or grammar. I wasn’t exactly going for writer of the year!

 

[Snake-Queen]

Randie, that was MUCH easier to read. When you calm down & take anger out of your writing you get your point across much easier. Thank you for that.

One bit of advice, email Wendy and tell her to send a label so that you can return the roaches. If she doesn't respond in say 72 hours, I would say that the roaches are yours to do with what you will. IMO.

If you do change your name, I would contact Webslave to change the name on this account.

 

[LauraB]

What else can I say?

Just say you will send the roaches back. And then actually do it.
Again, it ain't rocket science or CSI and doesn't require 10 more pages of BOI discussion (or off-topic innuendos by posters to other posters not directly involved in the transaction).

Yeah, you actually may have to go elsewhere to purchase the feeders you want, but at least you will have done the right thing and may not end up with the rep that the seller has been plagued with for a very long time.

 

[Fangthane]

I wasn't going to post on here again but just to defend my reputation I guess it's a must. It seems worthless because just like most BOI threads, no matter what you say or how innocent you really are there is always a pack of wolves ready to attack and turn you into a bad guy.

Such is the world we live in. What is needful isn't always pleasant. For most of us, it's not about pursuing petty glee while tearing someone to shreds. There's generally a method behind the madness. Unfortunately, there may be a very small degree of collateral damage along the way, but I think the BOI has helped far more people than it's harmed.

The rest of your post all sounds very reasonable. Any statements that have implied that you're a "bad guy" for simply having possession of Wendy's roaches, I believe, are very misguided and poorly thought out. As it's her mistake, I think that the onus is on her to be proactive in taking steps towards getting her property back. Until it can be shown that you've refused to return her roaches, aside from doing business with her in the first place, I don't see how you've really done anything wrong in this situation.

 

[Bridge Dragons]

Just say you will send the roaches back. And then actually do it.
Again, it ain't rocket science or CSI and doesn't require 10 more pages of BOI discussion (or off-topic innuendos by posters to other posters not directly involved in the transaction).

Yeah, you actually may have to go elsewhere to purchase the feeders you want, but at least you will have done the right thing and may not end up with the rep that the seller has been plagued with for a very long time.

It's been my full intention to send these roaches back to her from the very day she made the mistake.Due to the fact they are live animals I can't just ship them to her without her knowing and consenting. Believe me I knew from the start how to handle the situation correctly but she won't respond back to me and that is the one and only reason I still have them in my possession.

 

[Bridge Dragons]

Such is the world we live in. What is needful isn't always pleasant. For most of us, it's not about pursuing petty glee while tearing someone to shreds. There's generally a method behind the madness. Unfortunately, there may be a very small degree of collateral damage along the way, but I think the BOI has helped far more people than it's harmed.

The rest of your post all sounds very reasonable. Any statements that have implied that you're a "bad guy" for simply having possession of Wendy's roaches, I believe, are very misguided and poorly thought out. As it's her mistake, I think that the onus is on her to be proactive in taking steps towards getting her property back. Until it can be shown that you've refused to return her roaches, aside from doing business with her in the first place, I don't see how you've really done anything wrong in this situation.

I agree that the BOI is a great tool and definitely helps more than it hurts.The only thing bad about it is what is seen way to often, that being people coming on here cracking jokes and simply attacking people without actually having the intent to help or solve the issue.People do make honest mistake and others fail to see the innocence before unleashing a ravenous attack.

 

[Bridge Dragons]

Randie, that was MUCH easier to read. When you calm down & take anger out of your writing you get your point across much easier. Thank you for that.

One bit of advice, email Wendy and tell her to send a label so that you can return the roaches. If she doesn't respond in say 72 hours, I would say that the roaches are yours to do with what you will. IMO.

If you do change your name, I would contact Webslave to change the name on this account.

I agree fully.When I write these I just come on and go! When I re-read them I also see that is much harder to follow when everything is crammed together.I try to my hardest to respond calmly in every situation.In general I am a very laid back person to begin with.It just becomes difficult when you know you've done nothing wrong and your a good person but get backed into a corner by a group of unfair people trying to flip the situation on you, ultimately turning you into a bad guy when you are not.

 

[Ed Clark]

Send the roaches back after you tell her they are on the way if that is your intention. it looks bad on your part for keeping both the roaches and the money. sending the roaches back will clear your name as far as I am concerned .

After all she told you to ship them back and she also told you she would refund your shipping cost if you paid return shipping.

She will know when the package arrives at the PO as she worked there and I'm sure they know her(jean).

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It's been my full intention to send these roaches back to her from the very day she made the mistake.Due to the fact they are live animals I can't just ship them to her without her knowing and consenting. Believe me I knew from the start how to handle the situation correctly but she won't respond back to me and that is the one and only reason I still have them in my possession.

 

[LauraB]

Due to the fact they are live animals I can't just ship them to her without her knowing and consenting.

Give her one phone call, leave a message if she doesn't answer. Make an exact note of when you call her to document it (hopefully your cell phone bill details calls like mine does).
Tell her when you will ship them and when she can expect them. Make it an overnight shipment, of course, and provide a tracking number if you can.

Follow that immediately with an email. Tell her when you will ship them and when she can expect them. Make it an overnight shipment, of course, and provide a tracking number if you can. Save a copy of that email.

Ship them back to the address Wendy shipped them to you from. Done deal.
Do the right thing but cover your butt in the process. Anyone and everyone who has been a part of Fauna for any length of time has seen, knows and recognizes the excuses, the diversion attempts, the victim role-playing game.

If you do the right thing, AND cover your hiney in the process, then you are certainly not the bad guy here!

 

[Bridge Dragons]

Send the roaches back after you tell her they are on the way if that is your intention. it looks bad on your part for keeping both the roaches and the money. sending the roaches back will clear your name as far as I am concerned .

After all she told you to ship them back and she also told you she would refund your shipping cost if you paid return shipping.

She will know when the package arrives at the PO as she worked there and I'm sure they know her(jean).

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Honestly at this point I can care less about her refunding my shipping cost.The only problem shipping them back without her consent is I don't want to create more problems if they are DOA. Although they are just roaches I'm trying to look out for the best interest of the animal. The decision is a little more difficult also because half the people on here say hold them until she responds the other half say just ship them back. I don't want to make the wrong decision here. I'd feel much more comfortable if she would give me the okay.

 

[rosebud945]

it looks bad on your part for keeping both the roaches and the money.

I can understand why he is reluctant to just send them back before he has heard from her. The onus really is on her to at least make some sort of acknowledgement that she is expecting them. What would happen if he ships and they end up on her porch for days and die? She would be screaming foul again. Wendy has not been back here since she posted this thread.

I had a similar situation with a bug order. I ordered supers from a seller, and the seller sent me meal worms. I contacted the seller, who checked my order against what was sent, and the seller put the supers in the mail that day. I asked the seller if he wanted the meal worms back, and he said no, keep them. I am very loyal to that seller because of the customer service, communication, and consistency. The error was made at his end, and he accepted responsibility, which to him, included the cost of the meal worms and the shipping to make things right. This guy can't even get a pulse, much less a response from Wendy so that they can agree on a ship date.

Randie has made it clear, at least to me, that he doesn't even want the roaches, much less that he is trying to keep both the money and the bugs. Wendy is a lousy business woman and her lack of communication here is costing her $95, IMO.

 

[Bridge Dragons]

Okay can I get a poll going here?! If the majority thinks I should send them back without her responding that's exactly what I'll do but I hope everyone will have my back if more problems arise from doing so. I was just simply looking out for the animal by not just shipping them back.

 

[Bridge Dragons]

I can understand why he is reluctant to just send them back before he has heard from her. The onus really is on her to at least make some sort of acknowledgement that she is expecting them. What would happen if he ships and they end up on her porch for days and die? She would be screaming foul again. Wendy has not been back here since she posted this thread.

I had a similar situation with a bug order. I ordered supers from a seller, and the seller sent me meal worms. I contacted the seller, who checked my order against what was sent, and the seller put the supers in the mail that day. I asked the seller if he wanted the meal worms back, and he said no, keep them. I am very loyal to that seller because of the customer service, communication, and consistency. The error was made at his end, and he accepted responsibility, which to him, included the cost of the meal worms and the shipping to make things right. This guy can't even get a pulse, much less a response from Wendy so that they can agree on a ship date.

Randie has made it clear, at least to me, that he doesn't even want the roaches, much less that he is trying to keep both the money and the bugs. Wendy is a lousy business woman and her lack of communication here is costing her $95, IMO.

Thank You!

 

[Fangthane]

Okay can I get a poll going here?! If the majority thinks I should send them back without her responding that's exactly what I'll do but I hope everyone will have my back if more problems arise from doing so. I was just simply looking out for the animal by not just shipping them back.

Personally, I wouldn't be too quick to want to take a loss by paying for shipping to fix her mistake. Asking for a poll may be bad form, to a degree. It's your decision to make. Although some may make the argument that they're "just bugs" that are destined to be lizard food, I wouldn't want to think I'm sending them to an especially crummy death by being slow-roasted in their box. I guess I'm odd in that way. I actually go out of my way to avoid killing anything I notice while mowing my yard.

 

[Wilomn]

Send the roaches back after you tell her they are on the way if that is your intention. it looks bad on your part for keeping both the roaches and the money. sending the roaches back will clear your name as far as I am concerned .

After all she told you to ship them back and she also told you she would refund your shipping cost if you paid return shipping.

She will know when the package arrives at the PO as she worked there and I'm sure they know her(jean).

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This made me laugh mr. clark.

The OP has no obligation to send her back what she mistakenly sent unless and until she sends a prepaid shipping label. In no way would I ever trust her to do anything she says. You understand that don't you mr. clark? Once trust is gone, once you have lied and cheated and stolen from people, especially more than once, it's a loooooong road to regaining any type of trust.

OP, do what you think is right, but I'd feel no obligation to go out of my way for this woman.