Bad Guy bryancho possible scam

[Bryancho]

I got her when she's adult ready to breed then I just got him after a week I don't have any extra male b4

 

[Tom C]

Is the female an anery het albino or just an anery?

I am a bit confused after this..

It should say 1 anery female and 1 snow male. You can decide.
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If this is the case, you should not have produced any snows, all anery het snow.

 

[SirenSanJose]

I got her when she's adult ready to breed then I just got him after a week I don't have any extra male b4

How long had you had them? When were they bred? When did she give birth? Is it possible she was gravid before you got her?

 

[HerpVenue]

U guys can send me email I'll send the picture I don't no how to addpicture here [email protected]

Hit button "post reply"
scroll down and hit button "manage attachments"
Hit button "browse"
choose your picture you want to upload
click open
hit upload
scroll down in the little box and hit close
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[Bryancho]

I have her for 3 to 4 month then she gave birth

 

[Bryancho]

My female is anery my male is snow and the baby's r 3 weeks old and I'm using my iPhone to post add.

 

[Pasodama]

Those who have said that a Snow x Anery het Snow (Albino) are correct in that this pairing would only produce Snows and Anery het Snow (Albino).
'Course, It has also been said that the parental pair was a Snow x Anery (without mention of the Anery being het Snow <Albino>) and, if the Anery is not het Snow (Albino), then all of the babies should have been Anery het Snow (Albino).
OTOH, ~if~ the female had been bred before (even as far as the previous year), and ~if~ she retained sperm from that previous breeding, it is possible to have Normals in the clutch (since the Snow male, from this pairing, would not be the sire of the questioned babies).

'Course, the other possibility is that Bryan cannot tell the difference between Snow, Albino, Anery, & Normal babies.

However, due to the link that Stephen posted, Bryan Cho does look rather suspect.

So, Bryan will have to post some proof. Such as photos of the mother, father, and clutch with cards that have the current date written on them.
I suppose that, without a dated card, just the current, unaltered, original photos may work too since the EXIF data could be checked.
Any other proof could also be beneficial but, at the least end, the photos should be something easy to provide.

 

[Pasodama]

My female is anery my male is snow and the baby's r 3 weeks old and I'm using my iPhone to post add.

Are you able to get a camera, take some current photos of the father, mother, & clutch with a dated card (current date) in the photo, and then post those photos here?

 

[Bryancho]

I can take some picture the mom and the dad and the last 5 baby I have I using iPhone my PC is not working I have to use my friends thanks for every one.

 

[charleshanklin]

I can take some picture the mom and the dad and the last 5 baby I have I using iPhone my PC is not working I have to use my friends thanks for every one.

You can upload all of your photos to Photobucket and post them all without a problem with your iPhone.

Do you have any photos of the clutch when she had them? You got rid of all the snows already?

 

[reticguy76]

i dont see why its so hard to believe that normals came from this clutch. genetics by the book, makes it not able to happen. not every genetics situation reads the book though.

for example, a friend of mine back east, bred a mojave x mojave ball pythons and got 1 normal, and 4 super mojaves. no regular mojaves. how is that possible. there are genetic wonders bred all the time.

so, yes, in theory a snow x anery should give you all anerys and snows with the anery's being 100% het albino. but sometimes mother genetics doesnt work that way and throws some crazy stuff

 

[charleshanklin]

With codom genetics like you stated that is a possibility a is producing all normals fom that pairing. It's a roll of the dice as to what hatches. This isn't the case with breeding a visual recessive with that same visual recessive. Apples and oranges my friend. The guy that is claiming that he produced has also used photos of animals that weren't his an tried to sell them.

 

[reticguy76]

genetics doesnt always do what its supposed to do whether its in dominate, co-dom, incomplete dom or recessive.
there was someone a couple years back, cant remember who it was for the life of me, that bred a clark strain albino retic x clark strain albino retic and got all normals and one albino. although that is certainly the extreme exception and not the rule, that is my point, there are factors involved in genetics. is it a freak thing (clutch), is it a weird new line (possibly incompatible) of anery and/or albino in the species, etc.

that being said, if there are stolen pics and such that is in play here, that obviously makes it tough on the seller to combat. my point is that not everything is black and white or "apples an oranges". freaky things do happen sometimes

 

[reticguy76]

disclaimer

i have never worked with sand boas, but i have to assume that recessive, co-dom, incomplete dom, etc all work the same as it would in balls, boas, retics, etc (my more familiar territorry)

 

[FosterHerpetological]

genetics doesnt always do what its supposed to do whether its in dominate, co-dom, incomplete dom or recessive.
there was someone a couple years back, cant remember who it was for the life of me, that bred a clark strain albino retic x clark strain albino retic and got all normals and one albino. although that is certainly the extreme exception and not the rule, that is my point, there are factors involved in genetics. is it a freak thing (clutch), is it a weird new line (possibly incompatible) of anery and/or albino in the species, etc.

that being said, if there are stolen pics and such that is in play here, that obviously makes it tough on the seller to combat. my point is that not everything is black and white or "apples an oranges". freaky things do happen sometimes

While I do agree that genetics doesn't always do what it is supposed to, this guys history and the fact that he can't post pics when he has an Iphone leads me to believe otherwise.

 

[dustinntech]

I think this should get back on topic of whether he actually has the snakes and if they are really what he is saying. If he got normal out of the pairing I wouldn't suggest taking any gets from him, but visuals are visuals... Have him take pictures with a current date news paper or something like that for proof.

There are other forums where we can discuss genetics

I had the problem with posting pics from an iPhone as well and all you need to do is download the photobucket app, then save the pics there, then after they are saved you will see a link to post to forums and just copy and paste it where ever you need to post the pics!

 

[reticguy76]

i agree, as i read a little bit more in depth on this, i agree, something isnt right from the seller.
also, while i agree there are forums to discuss genetics, genetics are a roll player in this thread. i stated my original post of genetics because i was pointing out that if there is a shadow of a doubt that the seller is truthful, that it is possible (although highly unlikely, but still possible) that he had that litter that he claims. therefore, my post is on topic, but i do agree, that any further genetics discussion and in depth analysis has another place for it.

some smart phones are capable of posting via directly onto the forum. as said, above, its simple as pie to download photobuckets FREE app and post pics. or post pics on a facebook page or something and copy and paste the link. its not rocket science.

 

[HerpVenue]

for example, a friend of mine back east, bred a mojave x mojave ball pythons and got 1 normal, and 4 super mojaves. no regular mojaves. how is that possible. there are genetic wonders bred all the time.

What do you mean how is that possible? 25% does not have to be super. 25% does not have to be normal 50% does not have to be mojave. The percentages is for EACH animal. Each animal has a 25% chance of being normal, 50% chance of being mojave and 25% chance of being super. It is a roll of the dice for EACH.

so, yes, in theory a snow x anery should give you all anerys and snows with the anery's being 100% het albino. but sometimes mother genetics doesnt work that way and throws some crazy stuff

He got normals. There were NO normal genes involved. NONE

My wife is blonde caucasian. I am filipino of Spanish from SPAIN decent. If my baby came out African American, I would not be too happy. I would not be content with leablaming it on "mother genetics"

genetics doesnt always do what its supposed to do whether its in dominate, co-dom, incomplete dom or recessive.
there was someone a couple years back, cant remember who it was for the life of me, that bred a clark strain albino retic x clark strain albino retic and got all normals and one albino. although that is certainly the extreme exception and not the rule, that is my point, there are factors involved in genetics. is it a freak thing (clutch), is it a weird new line (possibly incompatible) of anery and/or albino in the species, etc.

Sperm retention. Or perhaps he did not know that another male may have come into the equation accidentally. (temporary housing situation)

And to CHO. I hope you took some pictures of the snows. Because if you only have pictures of the normals because your camera ran out of batteries before the snows came out....... well I have actually heard that one before.

 

[Focal]

Or just email the pics to [email protected] and I will do all the work for you.

 

[Tom C]

Like Ritchie posted, "sperm retention". and lying are the only two conclusions that can come of this.

The OP already stated the female was an anery (not het albino) and the male was a snow, I could understand a few weird anomalies being produced, but not 2/3 of them. What was the male that she retained sperm from? normal dbl het snow?... This guy needs to pick my lotto tickets..

Show me the Money, where is the pics of the 15 snows....