Calling all cool heads!
I realize how difficult it is for any person to not become defensive when they feel they are attacked. I'm trying to keep that in mind as I write this.
First of all.......Scott.......I've had my coffee, so no worries there
If I may digress to the original situation, I just want to make one point that I don't think anyone addressed yet.
I will take male 2 or male 3.
Tell me where your located, zip code, and which way you'd like shipping and I'll give you an exact amount to paypal or overnight Money Order.
Can I get it for 450 shipped. Thanks
OK, everyone can debate forever what qualifies as a stripe, a reverse stripe, a polka dot, whatever. The fact is that I can understand why the seller may be viewing this as a buyer that backed out. Now, how many of you have taken a deposit for an animal, had the buyer back out, and agreed to refund the deposit?
This is just my thought on how this matter may have gotten started. In looking at the big picture, I think I will agree with most and say that I would end up refunding the deposit. However, can ANY of you see that Mr. Ori's first thought would be "no refund of the deposit when you back out of a sale"?
So, I can see how this started. What I can't understand is how it's progressed to this point. As I said, I understand defensive behavior. This has gone far beyond that. This is some sort of acidic verbal regurgitation, and it needs to stop.
Mr. Ori, I'm no teenager. I'm a grandmother. I have reptiles, and have had for 11 years now. I buy them. I sell them. I breed a few. I'm a member of Fauna. Am I disqualified from being your customer? Why is it that when your breeder friends advised you to give a refund it was stellar advice, but when people here stated it they were idiots for not understanding what a deposit was for in the first place?
I'm fairly certain (unless I misjudged your initial posts ENTIRELY) that when you began hurling insults at the masses here on Fauna, you were really only aiming at a few because you felt your business ethics were being questioned. I hope you can see that doing either (hurling at just a few or the whole flippin' lot of us) was a bad choice, and I hope that you can make a sincere apology without justification of your behavior. "I'm sorry, but..." just doesn't cut it. Whether or not it damages your business is certainly open for debate; however, whether it does or doesn't will not change the fact that your words were uncalled for, inaccurate, unprofessional, and simply NOT NICE.
Drew, as I said, I believe that in this situation I'd give you a refund. However, please explain WHY you picked an animal and then changed your mind? If this question has already been answered, I apologize.
Mr. Ori, one more thing:
or do business on any level with anyone connected to that web site
I'm here to tell you that's not true. Fauna members buy and sell from Kingsnake every day...Jeff Barringer takes their money for that privilege every day...that constitutes doing business. I'm sure that even he has noticed that his actions have cost him some of that business, but he has not turned down money from Fauna members.
Now, before I jump off this next bridge, I would just like to point out that it's probably no coincidence that there are very few posts from females on the last several pages of this thread; the testosterone is dripping off the screen here, fellas. I'll say it again....I understand how easy it is to become defensive when one feels under attack.... but please stop, think, and re-read before you hit that "Submit Reply" button. Threats notwithstanding (as I believe any threat should be handled appropriately and taken seriously), most insults are not worth responding to. Don't reduce your behavior to match that of someone you don't respect!!
As for the degrading remarks about Fauna itself....well, it's almost comical, isn't it? If a person believes that a site is useless, inhabited by teenagers, idiots, and the like, and has no consequence to their business........why would they bother coming here? Not only coming here to watch the aforementioned teenagers, idiots, and the like........but coming here to post, vehemently try to convince the teenagers, idiots and the like that they HAVE NO BEARING ON THE REAL REPTILE WORLD??? Pointing out that the *important* people don't give Fauna any validity? It's either because A) they're reptile industry evangelists, trying to lead the dimwitted away from the fictional reptile industry/community/world into the real one, or B) they're threatened by the site. Gee, this is a tough choice, eh?
I'm stepping off my soap box now....
