Bad Guy Calientedragons - Rankin Dragons

[ReptileAddictions]

My campaign began with a mass email to EVERYONE I have ever done business with. It contained the story here and the email exchanges.
I recieved this email this morning from Caliente Dragons.

Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:20 AM
From: "www.calientedragons.com" <[email protected]>Add sender to ContactsTo: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>You have now taken this too far. I have already contacted your Parole/CCO agent and you are luckier than you know. If this was 1 week earlier you would be in custody. If you continue I will consider it a threat to me and my family. I will make a few more calls to Spokane's finest and we can see where this ends up. Once again if you do not cease your actions I will consider them a threat to the safety of me and my family. I will post a response for everyone shortly. I owe you nothing.

Gary Salerno

First off I am not on parole so you are wasting your time. Secondly I have broken NO LAWS. The safety of your family? Give me a break. I have done nothing to you. I am entitled to email anyone I want and tell them you ripped me off.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

Here is a cut and paste of the email I have sent to everyone. No threats, nothing that hasn't been said here.

I have freedom of speech.

" I want you to BEWARE of buying from or selling to Caliente Dragons – Heidi Salerno and her husband. I bought off her kingsnake ad for rankins through paypal. Returned the rankins safe - per her request for a refund. Now she is refusing me ANY refund and has the rankins. All info is below.

Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US LInes~$200 each + Shipping" http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51

I purchased the adult male, and one baby. When I recieved them I noticed a different head structure on the adult than any pure Rankin I have ever had.He appears to be a "Drankin". He has fatty side jowles on his neck and he is able to portrude his lover neck- just like how Bearded Dragons push out their beard. It is my understanding that Rankins dont have the cartiledge in their necks to be able to do this. The fact that they are odviously hybrids I started to question her “proof” that they were in fact pure rankins and unrelated to any U.S. bloodlines.



I have spoke at length to 1/2 of the purchasing entity of the "Rankins" and here is the story. A guy and another financial partner purchased the rankins from someone in the UK that got them from someone, that someone only has a first name “Wilco” and a unknow location as the "UK". Wilco sold a big group of rankins to a dealer who imported them to the US to 2 guys who then sold some of them to Caliente. No one has any info on "Wilco" Rankins. Where he got them, if he breed them, if they are hybrids, or if they are REALLY unrelated to the U.S. bloodlines. His email is below.

The bottom line is that there is no way of verifying even the breeders of these "Rankins" and there is no way of verifying that they are unrelated to the U.S. stock. I was not sold what was advertised. AND she has continued to relist them the SAME EXACT way even after admitting she doesn’t know.

Here are the emails from Caliente dragons in time date order, also the email from Importer who sold them to who stating that they are not being listed properly, the basis of our paypal claim. Significantly other than described. Also her posting on Fauna that she did in fact get them back safely. Also, the tracking information for the return animals, and the paypal claim where she is NOT mentioning their return and trying to keep ALL of the money.


Return Tracking Info

Tracking ResultsTracking Number: 1Z14W5620193430573 Status: Delivered Delivered On: 07/21/2009 11:58 A.M. Location: PORCH Delivered To: WILDOMAR , CA , US Shipped/Billed On: 07/20/2009 Type: Package Service: NEXT DAY AIR Weight: 1.00 Lb



Email from the actual importer

From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
To: Reptile Addictions <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:22:06 PM
Subject: Re: question



Hi, please keep the e-mails between us. I don't want them being posted on the BOI. I seriously dont know if they are hybrids, or were hybridized 5 generations ago. Now that the stock that we imported is breeding size, they all look the same, just regular grey rankins. I do think there is some "genetic junk" floating around with these guys from years of breeding from a small gene pool. I imported a group of rankins along with another breeder from a guy named wilco in europe , thats all I know. I have no information on who breed them, or if they are in fact unrelated to any of the U.S. rankins. We brought in a yellow, orange and normal line(all look the same). Can't remember which line(s) I sold to caliente.

Josh----

Reptile Addictions <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Josh, I recently aquired some Rankin dragons from Heidi at Caliente Dragons.She says that you impoted them. I am trying to get some documents and photos of the breeder animals,The breeders name (persons), breeders bloodlines, and country of origin of these guys. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Wendy


FAUNA POSTING

calientedragons

Contributing Member

07-23-2009 , 09:28 PM

And yes the RANKIN'S are here safe and after the 30 day quarantine I will put them up for a charity auction..Heidi




Oue emails back and forth

From: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:30 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

> *************
> NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
> NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised
> *************
>
> I am very interested in getting some rankins. Can you sex them yet? I would like a couple of females. Shipping to 99206 (business addy). Thanks, Jeane
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
> location window) the URL below to view the ad that
> this message is in response to.
>
> http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51


On Wed, 7/8/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 1:13 PM

Hi Jeane,

They are not sexed.. I can do $35 for overnight shipping in an insulated box...

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:43 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

How much do they weigh?
Thanks, Jeane

On Wed, 7/8/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 8:08 PM
They are about 4.5 inches and 5 grams Hatched 6/10/2009 and ready to ship next week...

I also have an adult proven male if interested, He is very mean though..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:56 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

How many do you have available?
Thanks, Jeane

On Thu, 7/9/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 11:08 AM

7 Babies that are old enough to go..


Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:44 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Ok, last questions Are the 7 all siblings? And can you give me a deal on all 7? And a quote on all 7 and the Adult male too.- Thanks
Thanks, Jeane

On Thu, 7/9/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 3:56 PM
Yes they are all from the same clutch, I can do $1225 for the 7 babies or $1375 for the 7 babies and the Adult..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:10 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Can you give me any details about the adult, age? You said he is mean, toward people or the female rankins? How much for just him shipped?
Thanks, Jeane

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:27 PM


I got him a little over a month ago, I was told he was about 1.5 years, looks about right.. He is just mean towards me, not other rankins, I have him housed with another male right now and they are fine, I have not put him with a female yet, He is just too mean to me, tries to bite me when I pick him up lol. $200 shipped

Let me know if you have any more questions..


here is a picture ( sorry I took it with my iphone)




From: Jeane Best
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:37 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

I want him for sure. Do you think you could try to sex any of the babies? I would really like a female if at all possible.
Thanks, Jeane

On Sat, 7/11/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:45 AM
I could do my best, but there is no way I could guarantee it, They are real small right now..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:27 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Okay, so give me a total for the two shipped. What type of payment do you want?
Thanks, Jeane

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 5:01 PM
Got your payment Thanks, Would you like me to ship on Monday for Tuesday delivery?

To:
XXXXXX N. XXXXX Rd. Spokane, WA 99212

Thanks,

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:30 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Yes, that would be great. Please let me know which carrier and a tracking #.
Thanks, Jeane

On Mon, 7/13/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:06 AM

Fed Ex Priority Overnight tracking number XXXXXXXXXXXX

Someone needs to be there to sign for the box,

Please let me know when they get there safe

Thanks!

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:43 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

My rankins came this morning. Both are fine, however the male is definetly not pure rankin. Rankins do not have the cartlidge in there lower jaw like regular bearded dragons. The male you sent has the cartlidge, so he's mixed with a bearded dragon.

If you get this e-mail more than once, I was having internet issues.
Thanks, Jeane

On Tue, 7/14/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
Wow that stinks! I really looked him over when I got him and he looked pure to me! But you never know these days!

Can you please educate me and explain? Can you send a picture of what your referring to? I would like to compare with the rest of my clan..

Thanks,
Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:07 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!


I'll take some pics tonight. The camera is at the shop. Basically he has a bulging beard (jowels) like a bearded dragon. Rankins have no way of pooching their necks out. It is flat all the time.
Thanks, Jeane

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2009 2:17 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

ok heres 2 pics of yours, and 2 pics of ours. You will see the difference in how yours has jowels that protrude out the side of the neck, and cartiledge below that makes a beard.
Thanks, Jeane

On Thu, 7/16/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:44 PM

Interesting....
You know this may sound funny but I tracked sown where the previous owner got him and they are looking for the emails but thought it may be you guys lol...

I am very sorry if indeed he is not pure, I had no intention or knowledge of that... If you would like to send him back I will refund your money...
How is the little girl doing? Don’t worry about her, I know for sure she is pure..

Heidi



Thanks, Jeane

Reptile Addictions
11518 East Sprague
Spokane, Wa. 99206
509-927-3008
Tuesday - Thursday- 10am-7pm pacific time
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CLOSED MONDAY

 

[ReptileAddictions]

Gary, I take your email as an over exadurated LIE. You are trying to scare me and bully me into stopping my email campaign. No one has done anything unethical to you or your family. Call whoever you want. They wont help you, in fact I think they will tell you to refund my money like your wife agreed to do! I sent 336 emails yesterday, today I will do the same. It wont work gary. I am doing the the legal way, I am not stooping down to your mud pit. I WILL continue to tell people you STOLE my money.
I will no longer reply to you privatly. If you have something to say to me, say it here.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

I just spoke with my EX cco officer ON SPEAKER PHONE WITH WITNESSES, what she in fact told you is may felonies- per your request. The same felonies I posted here. AND, she told you that an "email war" as you called it is NOT any type of violation of probation. That such a complaint is not taken seriously or investigated by DOC. That only police involvement warrants an nvestigation. Which means I would have to be arrested to be investigated for a violation. BUT, like she told you, I am NOT on probation.

I am NOT having a emaial war with you as you claim. In fact I have NOT sent you an email since I started this thread on the BOI. And I have posted ALL previous email exchanges here.

STOP LIEING! REFUND MY MONEY YOU THEIF!

 

[mvite]

It's "lying" -- you change the "ie" to a "y" and then add "ing".

and "Thief"

"I before E, except after C."

Sorry--pet peeves. You just keep doing it and it's got to stop!

 

[ReptileAddictions]

LOL, sorry, I did look for the spell check button, but never found it. I type faster than I think at times.- Oh well, no way to edit it now.

 

[mvite]

LOL, sorry, I did look for the spell check button, but never found it. I type faster than I think at times.- Oh well, no way to edit it now.

I'm a dick.

I don't think spell check would have helped--using the html code for BOLD and such would be a hassle. But I bet you will remember from now on!

I have been trying to stay out of this but I can't believe it's gotten so out of hand.

Your email campaign is a new tactic of getting under someone's skin is something I hadn't thought of before!

My preference is that you both would have been more reasonable at the beginning. Now it's just a case of who can be more unreasonable. I don't think anybody can win at this point. I think many people have gotten very turned off by both the seller and the buyer here.

(Although I was Googling like crazy for pr0n references...)

 

[ReptileAddictions]

LOL. Anyways, it is not my intent to be unreasonable. I just want everyone I have done business with to know who they are and what they are about. I respect the people I deal with , I would'nt want to see them robbed like I was.

I still think I was reasonable. I notified her of the problem the moment I got them, I directed her to the facts, she admitted her ignorance about the animals themselves and their bloodline. She agreed to a refund, and in the end did'nt provide it.

I have never personally attacked them or taken this outside of a business transaction that I find unethical.

 

[mvite]

I dunno--I think you were a little unreasonable for going off and starting this thread without a real last ditch SINCERE effort to make it right. You can use the BOI as leverage but I think you may have done it in the wrong way---or maybe prematurely. Of course hindsight is 20/20.

I mean you really didn't do a lot of research on this purchase--or so it seems. It also seems that you already had an axe to grind about this issue.

Why wouldn't your first questions be "Show me a pic of the jowels" or whatever? You seem to be knowledgeable enough about the subject to not buy the wrong animals.

I think you were also slightly unreasonable in saying "I am sending these back" not knowing if you were going to get a refund.

Aside from all that -- even if you read and understand this whole story -- the seller is left looking like the Bad(der) guy because they have the animals and haven't given a refund.

I just hope that a lot of future sellers and buyers learn from this experience. It's yucky to watch--let alone live it.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

As I ststed before, I had no reason to assume they were hybrids before the fact. That is the LAST thing I expected.

She said she would give me a refund- the email is posted here, as well as she said it on the phone, that is why I sent them back.

I just recieved another email from Gary, although I did NOT reply to his earlier email, and I said here I will not reply personally.

Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:07 AM
From: "www.calientedragons.com" <[email protected]>Add sender to ContactsTo: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>

What you are doing is called stalking. With your record I'm sure it would warrant an investigation...
Gary

Let me state the facts of stalking :

"Stalking is a term used to describe unwanted attention by individuals (and sometimes groups of people) to others. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation. The word "stalking" is used, with some differing meanings, in psychology and also in some legal jurisdictions as a term for a criminal offence. It may also be used to refer to criminal offences or civil wrongs that include conduct which some people consider to be stalking, such as those described in law as "harassment" or similar terms."

"To be categorized as a stalking victim a person has to report at least two different intrusive behaviors, which had to last for at least two weeks and also provoke fear."

So Gary, are you saying that me emailing by business associates provokes fear in you? And, I started emailing them YESTERDAY, not 2 weeks ago.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

 

[spyder79]

you are being exceptionally childish about the entire situation from start to now. It seems you have a background of expecting outcomes to go your way no matter what. I had the pleasure of reading through a extremely long BOI post concerning you and a deal you had with EriksReptiles. It is alarmingly similar to the situation you caused here.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

Interesting. I recieved underweight and dead animals from Erik, Erik would'nt refund. In the end my bank DID refund me. Thats the long and short of this business.

People expect to get what they paid for. Not dead animals, not misrepresented animals.

Childish is claiming somehow feeling "threatened" by little ol' me, when in fact I have had NO PERSONAL contact with heidi or gary.

You have made your point Gary, you are their friend to the end, you will humiliate yourself to prove it. I GET IT! Give it a rest already, all's you are doing is helping keep their bad guy thread at the top.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

OOPs, I meant to say, you have made your point Brian.

 

[Ed Clark]

you are being exceptionally childish about the entire situation from start to now.

Not sure if childish fits here. Maybe overly persistant.
That might get her the refund that Heidi promised then renigged on.

I had the pleasure of reading through a extremely long BOI post concerning you.....

Probably better to stay on topic than to wander into other areas.

 

[calientedragons]

Ok folks time to put this to an end. This is Gary the other half of Caliente Dragons. I would have preferred not doing business on the BOI but so be it. This is a Board of Inquiry; no-one has inquired anything here, just started talking smack, attempting to conduct business and pressure me into doing what they wanted by trashing our good name. It should be noted that this is the first time Caliente Dragons has been on here as a Bad Guy. Not so much for the person who started all this. Please read this all the way through, don’t just browse it, then you can blow up this board with your thoughts, PM us or go to the website and email us your thoughts. I know it is long but this post is now up to 12 pages and over 115 posts and only about 3 from us.



Thank you to those of you that have defended us and shame on those of you who that just read the end pages and jumped in. Always read from the beginning.



First a story, 2 in fact, both true, then the facts. After that if everyone still thinks someone deserves a refund I will consider it. I have no intentions of giving a full refund and I will let everyone decide how much the buyer deserves. Let it be said I am in no way required to give a refund and Paypal has already closed this claim.



I took my 6 year old son to Walmart to pick out a game because he did well in school. He picked a PC game although I asked him to get a playstation, Xbox or WII game he insisted that he wanted the PC game and he could play it. Long story –short, he could not play it by himself so we went to bring it back. It was only a few days old and I had the receipt. Walmart would not take the game back and would only exchange it for another of the same game. Even after I tried and pleaded with the manager, and showed them the poor saddened 6 year old, they would not even give me credit toward something else. Guess what I ended up doing with the game? I gave it away and bought my son another Xbox game. This was Walmart and their policy was no returns period, only exchange for the same item if item was defective. Can you imagine what would have happened to me if I went there and forced them to take the game back and attempted to take my money back. I think jail time or at very least lawsuit.



Second story; I accidentally won 2 computers on Ebay. Paid for them and then had them both show up at my house. Then when I asked to return one they told me there was a 30% re-stocking fee and I would have to pay to ship it back. I ended up selling one of them for a loss.



Now the facts; these transactions should also be looked at as 2 separate entities as these dragons are not related nor were they advertised as such. Business correspondence was conducted under the name Jeane Best. I don’t know when or why Wendy Iwanow (aka Childs) got involved. She has even cut and pasted her “life story” from a BOI post from around 4 years ago. That stuff about porn and jail and all that. Wendy or someone else said that she has been, changing her life, or doing good for the past few years. BS due to new laws and state financial issues, she is off parole (should have been on for another year) as of 3 days ago.



We have done business with Wendy/Jeane or whoever in the past, seems they don’t remember. We bought 3 “RANKINS” and 2 regular beardies from them 4 or 5 years ago, (no-one ever sent me a refund or informed me that the Rankins were not “pure”). 2 of the 3 “Rankins”, and one of the beardies died within a couple of weeks. They took a couple of my other beardies with them. I did some research, a little late but, on Jeane/Wendy and saw what kind of feedback was posted about them and just took it as a learning experience and never bought from them again. I gave away the other 2 animals. This is not unusual for me as we are very reserved people and don’t like confrontation. Heidi and I do our best to make sure everyone stays happy even when it costs us. This little confrontation has caused several sleepless nights, more than one argument in my home.



Up until a couple of days ago (7/26/2009) Wendy Iwanow (her real name) (Google that) was on parole (community supervision in Washington). She was on parole for Assault and kidnapping, she has previous convictions for forgery. This I know for a fact, I would supply her Department of Corrections number but that seems a little inappropriate. Where I come from Forgery makes you a liar and a thief. Now I seem to be doing business with several different people. Jeane Best, Wendy (Childs an alias) Iwanow, and the paypal account was in someone else’s name, Betty Creviston, I don’t even know who that is. This all seems a little suspect to me, maybe it’s my law abiding citizen back ground. But I decided to call it a wrap and no longer involve myself, or Caliente Dragons. But that didn’t go so well and here we are.



As of today she has now made it her “CAMPAIGN” to attack me and my family and threaten my business. If this personal attack and threat to my business and family continues the authorities will be contacted. She attaches inappropriate comments to my for sale posts. She contacts my friends. She cuts and pastes pieces of emails between her and one of my friends and business partners and arranges them the way she wants them and leaves out half of it. All of the crappy deals she has done over the years and all of the people that she has screwed over and all those people that have posted on the BOI that she was bad and she attacks ME. I can’t believe that she continues to do business.



For the record - we said that we have new imported blood lines, we do and they came from the Netherlands , she only purchased one of them, the hatchling. We said unrelated to anything currently in the US. This I cannot totally prove because I am not going to test every animal in the US. But no-one has proven that they are related to anything here in the US (but we have removed that wording from our ad). If there is anyone that can PROVE they have something that is related, I will apologize to everyone involved and refund it all. The other 2 investors have not yet begun to sell their hatchlings so they are not on the market. I never advertised pure blood Rankins so this argument that she keeps making is a MUTE point. Personally I can track these animals back at least 3 generations and any new blood is good. Now for the business; (Also note that she has my home and cell number and email address and instead of taking it there, here it is. Real professional.)



The first older male was described as: I got him a little over a month ago, I was told he was about 1.5 years, looks about right.. He is just mean towards me, not other rankins, I have him housed with another male right now and they are fine, I have not put him with a female yet, He is just too mean to me, tries to bite me when I pick him up lol. $200 shipped.------ Nothing in there about him being pure or imported. In fact we explained that we knew very little about him. Before even seeing a picture ( Heidi Sent one even though it was not requested) She decided she wanted him. When she got him she complained and Heidi said send him back and we will refund her money. As soon as that was said, Jeane/Wendy complained that we should refund her shipping or we could give her a discount and she would sell them at her store as “Drankins”. (Anyone ever saw one of those for sale? Not me, this is something she has made up!). Now I had to step in, it was no longer about the animal it was about the money. She would keep the animal, pure or not, as long as it was cheaper. There is NO sign of cross breeding in them!



So when it came down to it, she/they wanted to keep the animals but wanted them for cheaper and when I said, NO, that’s it we’re done doing business, they said - whether you like it or not we are sending them back and you will give us all of our money back.

Now NO-one is going to tell me how to conduct my business, if I make everyone mad and never sell another thing that is my choice, I chose to no longer do business with Parolee Iwanow, or whomever it was. We have gone out of our way in the past to make people happy, even paid a vet bill 6 months after the animal had left our possession. I think it would be near impossible to find as many as 10 people that did not have a good experience doing business with us, and we have been doing business for over 5 years.

I would not allow her/them (Wendy/Jeane) into pressuring us into doing what they wanted, even when they decided to post all over the message boards and talk bad about us. After they had those animals in their possession for longer then 24 hours I was not going to allow them back into my home. I have over 1000 animals in my home, most of them irreplaceable, family pets, one of a kinds, imported etc. Should I really take the chance of taking something into my house? When they ended up on our doorstep I had no choice but to take them in. They are now taking up 2 separate cages, the extra heating etc that goes with having your own cage. The babies that were in those cages, now have to be crowded in with some others.



Now about the little one, it was advertised as; Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US Lines. Myself and 2 other investors had several dragons imported in from the Netherlands, (WE paid a lot for them!) once arriving in the US they remained at my friends house until he felt comfortable giving them to me. I saw the guy’s website in the Netherlands that they had come from and pictures of the probable parents and possibly grandparents of the ones I got. I bred the ones I got and sold the offspring, one of them is this youngster. That’s 3 possibly 4 generations back. Wendy/Jeane says she spoke to one of the other investors and he said we could not prove they were pure---HE ALSO SAID NO-ONE can prove they are not. No-one knows what they do in the wild and we can only take someone’s word when we do business.



She said; “It was the general opinion of everyone that they are not pure rankins. Due to the neck of the adult, and the orange on the babies. Rankins do not have coloring.” Who's opinion? Do your homework Wendy before you give a scientific description! 1st ; not in my opinion, no-one asked me my opinion, not the other investors, no-one asked their opinion, and there are several other people defending us so obviously not in their opinion either. 2nd Show me proof, where is this written, where did you find it? I could not. 3rd I never advertised them or told her they were “pure” just imported new bloodlines. THEY ARE the other 2 investors have not started selling their babies yet. Now granted they may not be totally unrelated to anything else in the US but so far no-one has proven that they are. I have scoured the internet and the only information I have found distinguishing the 2 species is the size. Everything I have read says that they do have a beard, hence the name, Lesser Bearded Dragon or also Black Soil Bearded Dragon.



She also said “I never received parent pictures” She gave us very little time to give her pics, I do have a life other then this one transaction. ( parents are posted on http://www.rankinsdragons.com ) And “you seem unwilling to disclose your "UK" source for me to contact about their bloodlines.” My source is none of your business after the transaction has been completed, if you want that information before purchase I would have had the option of supplying it or just passing on the transaction, now you try to pressure it out of me –of course Heidi felt that she needed to defend herself and supplied that information, I WOULD NOT HAVE. Then she calls and harasses him when she gets it, I know he also dislikes confrontation and avoids it at all costs. THAT WAS JUST SCANDELOUS. Now she doesn’t need my animals and can buy them directly from the source or from the other investors-that’s just wrong.



Then she said “Rankins do not have the cartilage in there lower jaw like regular bearded dragons. As I said before no one had any reason to believe you didn't have full blooded rankins. You boasted how they were new clean bloodlines to the US totally unrelated to anything here. Why would I assume differently and suspect foul play before hand.” Note once again what she assumed or believed (full blooded rankins) and then what we said (new clean bloodlines to the US totally unrelated to anything here.) Is any of this my fault? Should I have to PAY for what she thought? Why should I have to PROVE anything after the deal has been done, SHE could have asked as many questions as she liked, asked for pictures of everything and everybody BEFORE the purchase, SHE did not. What DO you want for Proof? Why doesn’t she have to PROVE anything? Then she tells me that she has PURE blood Rankins and someone she knows has pure blood Rankins, SORRY BUT BS. No-one has DNA proof of any pure blood, even if picked up directly off the ground in Australia you couldn’t prove it was pure blood. What the animal does in captivity is probably done in the wild. BUT then again WE DID NOT advertise them as PURE Rankins just IMPORTED, and that was confirmed by her email to my friend and partner.



Why would she not ask these questions and just made a purchase. Is she now giving us a hard time because she wants us out of the Rankins market? Or maybe because we wouldn’t give her a deal on ALL of them? I will allow just about anyone to buy from me, that is the business. If we had to interact we could have and probably would have just said; NO thank you, we have dealt with you before and that didn’t go well. I don’t know why Heidi or I feel that we have to defend ourselves at all but here I am, and here we are. This has caused much stress on me and my family and this person/people/business need to be taught a lesson, I might as well be the one to teach it. So YES I think she must pay. If I sued for damages and or/slander, it would probably cost her more, if she was still on parole she would probably get violated. I know in California if convicted of fraud or forgery one of the conditions of parole are that you cannot do business or identify yourself under anything but you true name (her’s is Wendy Iwanow - Google it). After all of the complaints and posts about these people they continue to do business, NOT WITH ME, amazing.



So now I leave it up to you -- after all the stress and aggravation she has caused me and my family, those 2 animals, and this BOI. The personal “CAMPAIGN” attacks she has now made on me and my business ( now has made it personal!) The fact that she is not entitled to anything, we have not misrepresented ourselves or these animals! There is a policy in place on my website( was there the whole time, even though she says we added it after), whether or not she read it is not my problem. Paypal has closed her, (or whoever’s name she may have been fraudulently using or forging), claim. She has decided to force these animal back on me, and I am forced to quarantine them in their own 2 separate tanks, that were for other animals. (She does own a pet store, there could be tons of sickness or mites etc and I will not take that chance). There will be a restocking fee and no shipping refunds.



Does she really deserve any refund? And if you really think so, how much? Keep in mind that she probably now has cost me money since her “CAMPAIGN” to attack my business. Many have said just give her, her money back and be done with it. NO I WILL NOT. I am the wrong person to push around. Especially when the person pushing in a convicted felon. You can post your replies here, since its already 14 pages long (her’s was over 100 pages http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112310&highlight=Wendy+Childs and http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83395&highlight=Wendy+Childs and http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98368&highlight=Wendy+Childs and many many more if you like reading this Jerry Springer stuff!), or send them directly to us. When WE decide what WE are going to do we will contact her and try to reach an agreement. If that doesn’t work, so be it..





Gary Salerno



Gary and Heidi Salerno

Caliente Dragons

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

It's against the BOI's TOS for two individuals to post here under the same username. Gary, you need your own username to post here.

I took my 6 year old son to Walmart to pick out a game because he did well in school. He picked a PC game although I asked him to get a playstation, Xbox or WII game he insisted that he wanted the PC game and he could play it. Long story –short, he could not play it by himself so we went to bring it back. It was only a few days old and I had the receipt. Walmart would not take the game back and would only exchange it for another of the same game. Even after I tried and pleaded with the manager, and showed them the poor saddened 6 year old, they would not even give me credit toward something else. Guess what I ended up doing with the game? I gave it away and bought my son another Xbox game. This was Walmart and their policy was no returns period, only exchange for the same item if item was defective. Can you imagine what would have happened to me if I went there and forced them to take the game back and attempted to take my money back. I think jail time or at very least lawsuit.

Here's the difference...Walmart has a very clear policy posted on a big blue sign in their customer service area that says they do not accept those sort of returns. You changed your mind on returns after the purchase was made and a their was a problem. Their is no arguing that fact and their is no comparison between the two situations.

Refund the money (minus shipping) and be done with it...Be the better person.

 

[Ed Clark]

Refund the money (minus shipping) and be done with it...Be the better person.

Exactly....its pretty cut and dry.

 

[Mistyck]

What's confusing to me is if she (spokanelizardlady) is Wendy Childs/Iwanow, then why is she posting things for her mother Jeane? If Jeane made the deal with Heidi and Gary (Caliente Dragons), then why is Wendy involved at all? 3rd party dealings are confusing enough, especially when combined with confusing emails from on person but another making a "Bad Guy" post. If someone else paid paypal to Heidi and Gary, why do they have to pay Wendy/Jeane? This whole thread is convoluted.

I don't think that Heidi should have offered the refund in the first place, and I do think that Wendy/Jeane (whoever made the deal ) should have done more research as to what they would be getting, including asking for even more pictures of the rankins.

I don't think that they (buyer) should have shipped animal back before confirming that they would be getting a refund. Instead they just shipped the animals back willy-nilly, and expected the refund to be there instead of confirming. Seems a little reckless on their behalf.

If you want to be fair about the whole thing, then it's both parties fault that this has escalated thus far. Should Wendy/Jeane, (whomever it is, according to this thread they aren't even the people that used paypal to pay for the rankins ), receive a refund? I think not, as it is buyers remorse. Should Heidi have even offered a refund in the first place; no. But as it stands, it is in writing that the refund was first offered minus shipping. I think an agreement should be made as to returning half of the bought price minus the shipping. Buyer should have done more research, and seller should have never offered the refund, but seeing as how both parties did what they did, I think that meeting in the middle would help put things to right.

 

[Serafim]

Refund the money (minus shipping) and be done with it...Be the better person.

I think this is sound advice. You have the dragons back safe and that is whats most important. Be the better person and walk away from this with your name in good standing.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

GOOD GRIEF- I can't even to begin to read and comprehend all of that rambling.

I am ONLY going to reply to what matters, the rest is garbage.

You saying you posted them as "Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US Lines." You have since changed your ad because you now know it was false. And, you advertised them ""Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!" - not "I think they are Rankins! "

Lastly GENETICS: All of the legally imported Rankins were descended from one female at the home of the reptile curator of the Frankfurt Zoo. you can google Rudolf Wicker - Frankfurt Zoo - Exotarium.

YOUR RANKINS ARE RELATED TO ALL RANKINS!!!!!

I am out $438 the cost of the animals and the return shipping.

Your wife agreed to a refund, in fact she offered it before I asked for it. HONOR your agreement