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California Silkworms Inquiry

TopShelfExotics said:
They emailed us back and stated that no shipment went out due to the holiday on thursday, which is completely understandable.

What disturbs me is that no one bothered to contact us to confirm our order, let alone inform us that it would not ship until the following week. Had we been informed, there would be no issues.

We requested a full refund and we will take our business to a supplier that can correspond inportant information regarding shipment of products purchaed in a timley fasion.

We did post that we requested a full refund, and we got it. I did not doubt for a second we would. I never called them scam artists or anything of the like. In fact my only problem was with the correspondence. We ordered, we waited, nothing arrived, and no correspondence was sent informing us that our order would not ship within thier terms. should we hunt for this information? No.

Other than that, I had no issues.

A connection with Matt? Again, sorry. We inquired a while back about purchasing a Panther chameleon from him for a personal project of mine, and stated I had cash in hand. After finding out he was selling a panther that was out on breeding loan and not even in his posession we decided to go with a purchase from someone else. There is no connection, nice try.

Also, I do not agree with "spamming" another comapnies info in this thread. It was not the purpose of our original post, and I d not control what other individuals do. So like I stated earlier, leave us out of any issues you may have with this Mr. Jillison, we do not know this individual. We inquired on a posted add for a panther chameleon, that does not make us part of your derranged conspiracy.

Keep it up, I'm sure you are doing WONDERS for thier business.
 
point made!

The only point you made here today is you are indeed quite paranoid, and you've also proved that your foot fits well in your mouth. It must suck horribly to make accusations such as yours and be so horribly wrong. I'll accept our well deserved apology any time now. Otherwise, direct all of your ramblings and conspiracy theories to Mr. Jillison or whoever else you are trying to involve in this. We want no part of any "spamming". We inquired about a companied, shared our experience, and the thread was done. Starting to drift away into history....

You sir revived it! I'm sure they will thank you for it!
(I wouldnt)

Anyone else you would like to associate with this conspiracy while you're at it?

Santa? The easter bunny? (I hear he's a backstabbing bastard, I would not doubt it!)

Do yourself a favor. Take this matter with Mr. Jillison or any other conspriacy theories to the *HELL* thread. California Silkworms does not deserve any of the runoff from your ramblings here, YOU are the one who should be quite ashamed of yourself.

Take care.
 
Wow Lane, as crazy as ever...

Well, another post full of a bunch of unfounded, no evidence providing ramblings of a crazy woman. Lane, are you off your meds again? It seems you have gotten a little more paranoid since last we’ve heard from you. Not surprising, but funny none the less. Allow me to clear up some of your misconceptions you’ve made about this situation and in doing that, I will show you to be once again someone that has lost their sense of reality.

First, about the only claim you’ve made that is right is that Top Self did contact me to purchase an Ambilobe I had for sale. Although initially he was interested in the male Chris, however, decided to pass because he found an unrelated pair at a better price – good for him and that was fine with me. There is no dark conspiracy in that Lane or anything that would make him a dire hard Matt Jillson enthusiast.

Second, I want everyone to go re-read that thread that John started but Chris Anderson authored. You know why? Because the best you and “your group” of John, Chris and Vince could come up with is that we were guilty of aggressive marketing, and it showed us to have the better breeding stock. Boo-hoo Lane, all you guys were successful in doing by starting that unfounded tread was to show that Ivan, Jim and I have awesome animals and that you guys are jealous of our success because you can’t seem to duplicate it. I believe if you go and re-read that post you will clearly see that the overwhelming majority of people that posted saw it that way too. The three things you were successful in doing by getting involved in that thread was to give us free advertising by posting awesome pics of our animals, show that you are crazy, yet again, but also to show that the only thing you are capable of doing is to throw around accusations, essentially lies, that you were unable to back up. You see, the truth of the matter is that you will never be able to find one instance were Ivan and I (I’m leaving Jim out of it because you guys put his name in there strictly by association) have provided anything less than the best when it has come to Chameleons. In fact the best animals that you and Chameleon Paradise as a company have ever owned were animals bred by Ivan and it is quite clear that this fact is literally driving you mad. That is why Ivan and I never bothered to post on that thread you guys put together about us. Why should we? There were no founded claims that anyone has ever been ripped off by us or we have provided sub-par or sick animals that weren’t fully represented and that is the real purpose of the BOI, not posting some unfounded BS personal attacks that you are seemingly the master of. In fact, without having to post it went in our favor because it showed you guys to be the runners up to us in Chameleon knowledge and breeding quality and showed you as a group were merely jealous of our success. Basically, there was no point in posting in our defense because there was nothing to defend - aggressive marketing isn’t a crime. Obviously nobody cared, except the second raters or the people that are trying desperately to establish themselves as a “Chameleon authority” by regurgitating information that a book told them, because we sold every animal we offered within a day of posting.

Now, the last point I am going to straighten out for now is that were did I bash Ca. Silkworms? In fact, if I remember correctly, I had said that I have never used them and can’t comment on their product or service. Where is the tearing down in that kind of post? All I did was offer an alternative, www.silkwormfarm.com, to Top Shelf since he did want to use John Lucas’ services. Isn’t that yet another use of the BOI? To offer alternatives. Someone had mentioned that CS’s prices were lower and I replied with my experience with Joe at Silkworm Farm were he has price matched or done better than what they offer. Nowhere did I say Ca Silkworms, or John Lucas sucked or was a terrible feeder supplier. I replied with founded, provable experience not some crazily outlandish claims that will never be backed up by hard evidence.

I don’t know why you think everyone is out to get you Lane but trust me when I say nobody cares about you – save your family hopefully. You’ve proven yourself time and time again to be the Village idiot and are your own worst enemy. There is nothing I can say, do or prove that is more concrete than your actions. In fact to make this statement founded, a lesson you might want to learn, I invite everyone that reads this to do a Fauna search on “Lane Gergely”. You will find in every thread she gets involved with that she shows herself to be nuts, makes wild accusations and then can’t back them up and generally tries to attack anyone that doesn’t agree with her points of view. In fact there is a thread where she is founded to be outright lying, “Aline Reptiles good guys” and this is proven with email correspondence she had sent to people that were posted on the thread. Her actions/posts in the past is as hard proof as you can get. Lane, if you were out to defend John why wouldn’t you just post your dealings with his feeder company instead of turning this thread into a crap storm and showing yourself to be someone anyone in their right mind wouldn’t want to do business with. You aren’t doing your buddy any favors and in fact are hurting him and his business by showing yourself to be crazy and making wild, un-provable claims in his so-called defense. I know the second voice in your head told you to do it but you should think things out a bit more clearly before listening to personality 5C. I mean, something just isn’t right in your head and you should really see a professional about it. At any rate, I think we are getting off topic of the Ca. Silkworm theme and say to you to make a thread about whomever else you think or me is out to get you but I ask you to provide hard proof and not crazy rants if you want me to respond.

Matt Jillson

… I want to apologize to Chris at Top Self by being exposed to “The Gerg” because of me posting my experience with www.silkwormfarm.com - sorry man.
 

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Hey All,

Matt, I am kindly asking that you never mention my name again. In fact, I don't see any reason why you should ever mention my name or Screameleons.com again.

Jim has already apologized for you, and I've done him the favor of letting things slide. Lets not stir things up again.

And for the record, nobody is jealous of you or your breeding stock. I find that laughable. I admit that you have some decent animals, but so do many others. Many people have better looking animals than you. And many people have better animals than me.

Hyping up your breeding stock will only get you soo far. I sincerely hope that our feud will come to an end in the near future.


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Can someone explain to me, how these childish posts are supposed to tell me if California Silkworms is a reputable company or not.
Either we've lost sight of the thread...or I've missed something.
Are they reputable or not?
Where did all the other posts come from?
Sheeesh!
 
What i got from this was that California Silkworms supplies quality worms and is a great company. BUT they might not to good with CS.
 
Well V____ say what you will, if you don't feel inferior why post a bunch of pics essentially of the same animal? At any rate, mentioning you was the last thing I wanted to do but since your buddy "The Gerg" brought up that previous situation it was appropriate. As far as you letting anything "slide" because of Jim supposedly appologizing for me, you and I know what a load of crap that statement was. Go re-read your last email to me and my reply to it, if memory serves I called your bluff because you were holding nothing. But anyways, your suggestion is taken and heeded unless absolutly necessary. I'll leave this alone unless necessary and have no problem letting it get back to an inquiry of Ca Silks, just like I said in my previous post.

-Matt Jillson
 

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Thanks for the apology Matt but you have no need too, you should not have even been brought up here, this individual basically took it upon themselves to troll and totally derail the thread...

Lets please stop the pissing match, if you guys wish to argue take it to the *HELL* thread where it belongs.

Unless someone has something to add to the ORIGINAL topic of this BOI thread, please refrain from derailing and polluting this any further. It is not fair to the people reading this, the original parties involved, or the proper use of the BOI and its purpose.

Thank you.
 
California Silkworms good guy

I have ordered several times from them and have been very happy with the service. The worms were excellent, and I get them within about 4 days. In my area priority mail frequently takes 5 days. The post office says that priority mail is guaranteed within 3 - 5 days. I was also both notification of my order being received, and shipment being made very rapidly. If I were you I'd give them another try.
 
Matt,

If you have anything to say to me or about me, I recommend you bring it up with me personally rather than bring me up out of no where. I posted on that thread based on the evidence provided and maybe if you posted a responce, things would have been different. In the absence of your responce, however, you left no room but to conclude the obvious, that something was up that wasn't being honestly represented by your posts in the classifieds or anywhere else. As far as this thread is concerned, i've only purchased silks from California Silkworms a few times (maybe 6 times). I've never had a problem and on that basis, would recommend John without hesitation. I'm not stating he is better than other suppliers that I have not dealt with , just stating that I've never had a problem. With regard to this other thread you seem to have issue with me, please stop bringing me up without merit or if you do, start another thread about me and I will respond appropriately there. Best regards,

Chris
 
Lets please stop the pissing match, if you guys wish to argue take it to the *HELL* thread where it belongs.

Unless someone has something to add to the ORIGINAL topic of this BOI thread, please refrain from derailing and polluting this any further. It is not fair to the people reading this, the original parties involved, or the proper use of the BOI and its purpose.


Mr. Anderson,

Cant you not read? Or are you just THAT ignorant?

This is the THIRD TIME I will say this.

Want a pissing match with these people? FIND ANOTHER VENUE, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT! There is a thread called *HELL*

TAKE THIS THERE. DO NOT POST HERE AGAIN UNLESS IT IS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD!

:>off_to<:
 
Mr. Johnson,

Let me ask you the same, can you not read (I fixed your double negative by the way), or are you just that ignorant? Let me quote my last post for you:

"i've only purchased silks from California Silkworms a few times (maybe 6 times). I've never had a problem and on that basis, would recommend John without hesitation. I'm not stating he is better than other suppliers that I have not dealt with , just stating that I've never had a problem."

That is on topic but anyway, moving on, it seems to me that you made minimal attempts to contact John before you posted this thread. If something somehow got messed up with your order, its a little unreasonable to take it here without giving him the opportunity to right the wrong. Calling and emailing him once before business hours and then posting here before he's even had the chance to respond isn't giving that opportunity, IMO. He should have informed you about the holiday but its still common practice to allow them to right the wrong if you are unsatisfied. I just don't think this situation needed to be brought to this arena, it would have been fine posted as a single post on his feedback thread stating after the fact that you weren't satisfied with the service. I'm glad you got your money back, seems like the situation has been taken care of.

I too agree that this thread is not the place for this other feud, that is why I specifically asked that Matt not bring me up out of no where (and based on nothing) like this. As I said in my last post, "please stop bringing me up without merit or if you do, start another thread about me and I will respond appropriately there." I don't think I'm the one that needs to learn to read, relax, we both agree about the inappropriateness this thread took on.

Chris
 
Our original post was just an inquiry. I then posted our current situation shortly after emailing them, which I should not have had to do to begin with. He dropped the ball, bottom line. Therefore, after given the option of a refund, we took it, and moved on. We decided to find someone who can notify us about our orders instead of making us come to them when product does not ship within stated times. Its over, 'nuff said.

I'm rather thankful however, we've been in the process of purchasing panthers and other chameleons for a short time now with the intentions of starting some nice new projects, I now know exactly who NOT to buy from in the future. Even though this was completley pointless and they made asses of themselves, it did prove rather educational.

Our situation with the actual TOPIC of this thread has been taken care of, there is no longer any replies needed to this thread. If someone wishes to post an issue regarding california silkworms, feel free. Anything else does not belong here. PERIOD. This thread took a sharp turn down the toilet once a few select individuals decided to run thier mouths and stir up some stupid feud between people who wish to flex thier scrawny little chameleon muscles. Oooh. Yippie. The people of the BOI looking for information on California Silkworms really cares, let me tell you. You all just impress everyone and we're all motivated to buy from you. YES! AMEN! WE'VE SEEN THE LIGHT! (extereme sarcasm)

Paranoid accusations, immaturity, and pissing matches do not belong here. Take it to *HELL* dim-wits. I'll gladly watch, I find it rather amusing.

Otherwise, let this thread go its PROPER course. Someone needs to close this and let it drift on into history if these people cannot take the hint by now.......
 
I'm rather thankful however, we've been in the process of purchasing panthers and other chameleons for a short time now with the intentions of starting some nice new projects, I now know exactly who NOT to buy from in the future. Even though this was completley pointless and they made asses of themselves, it did prove rather educational.

this comment was pertaining to the antics of all individuals who decided to crash this thread, not Cali Silks. Just to clear that up.

(I read it and realized how it could have been taken and decided to ammend before anyone wanted to comment incorrectly)
 
based on this thread, I decided to give SilkwormFarm.com a chance.
I received a quote on 500 silkworms.
The price was nearly double California Silkworkms, and Mulberry Farms. $41.00 vs $25.00
I work long and hard for my money. I'll keep using those two
( I order hornworms from Mulberry Farms )
I may not need 5000 worms as others here do, but I still go through 500 a week.
 
just got my worms!

I placed my order via the internet on Saturday night and they arrived Tuesday!!! Very generous on my order. I will definitley order again!

Suzanne
 
just got my worms!

I placed my order via the internet on Saturday night and they arrived Tuesday!!! Very generous on my order. I will definitley order again!

Suzanne
 
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