Californians... Your SCREWED!!!!

[SERPENTS DEN]

getting off track of the current discussion but bringing this back around to how Californians are SCREWED!

here's a nice little info email that was just passed out at my office (we are a distribution warehouse with truck drivers which is why they passed out this info):

HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011

Please be extremely careful in your driving and car registration & insurance matters. State of California is broke and they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.

Effective immediately, if you do not stop at the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with flashing red signals, you will be charged $616. The state of California is going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford messing with them. I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure to issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in fines over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.

Just for your info, the next time you park in the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $ 1000 in parking tickets , so it'd better be worth it.

Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective 01/06/2011)

VC 12814.6 $214 Failure to obey license provisions.

VC 14600(A) $214 Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 days Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 16028(A) $796 Failure to provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance) Note: This fine may be reduced with proof of insurance on or after the violation date.

VC 21453(A) $436 Failure to stop at a red signal.

VC 22349 $214 Unsafe speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit.

VC 22350 $328 Unsafe speed, 16 to 25 miles over the limit.

VC 22450 $214 Failure to stop at a stop sign.

VC 22454(A) $616 Passing a school bus with flashing red signals.

VC 23123(A) $148 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense. I know someone who got this and it ending up being $274

VC 23123(B) $256 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.

VC 23123.5 $148 Driving while using a wireless device to send, read or write text.

VC 23124 $148 Minor driving while using a wireless phone.

VC 22500 $976 Parking in a bus loading area.

VC 22507(A) $976 Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense.

VC 22507(B) $1876 Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.

VC 26708 $178 Unlawful material on vehicle windows.

VC 27150 $178 Adequate muffler required.

VC 27315 $148 Mandatory use of seat belts.

VC 27360 $436 Mandatory use of passenger child restraints. Note: This fine may be reduced by completing a court authorized child seat diversion program .

VC 27400 $178 Headsets or Earplugs covering both ears.

VC 27803 $178 Violation of motorcycle safety helmet requirements.

VC 34506 $616 Commercial Driver - Log book violation.

VC 4000 $256 No evidence of current registration. Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 4159 $178 Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days. Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 5200 $178 Proper display of license plates.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 9400 $178 Commercial weight fees due.


(I noticed the failure to report change of address was listed twice, I suspect one of them is failure to report accident because I know there's a 10 day limit for that as well)

That's nuts, I wonder which state will follow CA.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

one of our sales reps just replied to us " It's true..... I saw a police officer give a ticket to a lady in Benicia that parked her van in a handicap spot in front of Safeway to drop a letter into a mail box. Beware!!!"

 

[Southern Wolf]

VC 34506 $616 Commercial Driver - Log book violation.

Holy hell. I used to drive a truck... and on one occasion I made an honest mistake and was off by 15 mins on my log. Im glad I dont drive truck anymore.

 

[ed hummel]

Then continue to squander away your rights.... and in 15 years we will be no better than a communist country.

да товарищ

 

[Mister Internet]

getting off track of the current discussion but bringing this back around to how Californians are SCREWED!

here's a nice little info email that was just passed out at my office (we are a distribution warehouse with truck drivers which is why they passed out this info):

HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011

Please be extremely careful in your driving and car registration & insurance matters. State of California is broke and they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.

Effective immediately, if you do not stop at the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with flashing red signals, you will be charged $616. The state of California is going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford messing with them. I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure to issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in fines over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.

Just for your info, the next time you park in the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $ 1000 in parking tickets , so it'd better be worth it.

Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective 01/06/2011)

VC 12814.6 $214 Failure to obey license provisions.

VC 14600(A) $214 Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 days Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 16028(A) $796 Failure to provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance) Note: This fine may be reduced with proof of insurance on or after the violation date.

VC 21453(A) $436 Failure to stop at a red signal.

VC 22349 $214 Unsafe speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit.

VC 22350 $328 Unsafe speed, 16 to 25 miles over the limit.

VC 22450 $214 Failure to stop at a stop sign.

VC 22454(A) $616 Passing a school bus with flashing red signals.

VC 23123(A) $148 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense. I know someone who got this and it ending up being $274

VC 23123(B) $256 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.

VC 23123.5 $148 Driving while using a wireless device to send, read or write text.

VC 23124 $148 Minor driving while using a wireless phone.

VC 22500 $976 Parking in a bus loading area.

VC 22507(A) $976 Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense.

VC 22507(B) $1876 Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.

VC 26708 $178 Unlawful material on vehicle windows.

VC 27150 $178 Adequate muffler required.

VC 27315 $148 Mandatory use of seat belts.

VC 27360 $436 Mandatory use of passenger child restraints. Note: This fine may be reduced by completing a court authorized child seat diversion program .

VC 27400 $178 Headsets or Earplugs covering both ears.

VC 27803 $178 Violation of motorcycle safety helmet requirements.

VC 34506 $616 Commercial Driver - Log book violation.

VC 4000 $256 No evidence of current registration. Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 4159 $178 Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days. Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 5200 $178 Proper display of license plates.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 9400 $178 Commercial weight fees due.


(I noticed the failure to report change of address was listed twice, I suspect one of them is failure to report accident because I know there's a 10 day limit for that as well)

I'm all for this. Too many people drive like idiots as it is... we are driving LETHAL WEAPONS, and most of the time, the penalties are not nearly enough to deter people from driving irresponsibly. I have several friends who justify speeding by saying that "the cumulative time saved is well worth the ticket costs" ... THAT is when you know a penalty is ineffective.

If you pass a school bus with its flashers on, you deserve a sixty thousand dollar fine as far as I'm concerned. Blatantly blow a red light? Go to jail as far as I'm concerned, I don't care if you ever get to drive again. I wish Illinois would do some of this, I witness all these violations and more on a daily basis, it's sort of expected that you have to drive like a moron to "survive" in the Chicago metro area...

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

I would agree with the cost of fine if the majority of the money collected was to go to a good cause like the Salvation Army.

 

[KelliH]

I see nothing wrong with that policy/increased fines either.

 

[WebSlave]

I'm all for this. Too many people drive like idiots as it is... we are driving LETHAL WEAPONS, and most of the time, the penalties are not nearly enough to deter people from driving irresponsibly. I have several friends who justify speeding by saying that "the cumulative time saved is well worth the ticket costs" ... THAT is when you know a penalty is ineffective.

If you pass a school bus with its flashers on, you deserve a sixty thousand dollar fine as far as I'm concerned. Blatantly blow a red light? Go to jail as far as I'm concerned, I don't care if you ever get to drive again. I wish Illinois would do some of this, I witness all these violations and more on a daily basis, it's sort of expected that you have to drive like a moron to "survive" in the Chicago metro area...

I think most people would be in favor of this if they didn't know deep in their hearts that this will be abused. Anytime you have money involved there will be abuse. Once the methodology changed whereby government stopped treating fines as a method of giving incentive to obey the law to a lucrative method of revenue collection, then abuse is not only running rampant, but is actively encouraged by local policies of the enforcing agencies.

It's a quite simple chain of events, really. The more money government makes off of fines, the more they will raise those fines as well as come up with more and more things to apply the fines for. Try to tell me that this isn't EXACTLY what is taking place right now. All levels of government are hurting for money. THIS is an easy method for them to try to drum up more money, and they certainly are doing just that. They don't give a damn about public safety except for the feel good lip service they publicize. It has really become all about the money. Period. It's just that this is an easy sell by telling everyone that it is for our own safety and welfare. Which just sounds great until YOU are the one who gets a $214 ticket for driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone (which would most likely be well within the tolerance of error in both the speedometer of your car, the speed detection device, the calibration device, or all of the above) because there is now a stronger financial incentive for law enforcement officers to cite you for tickets.

There is no body on this earth who is going to be able to convince me that law enforcement officers are not reviewed for promotions or even job retention without their "productivity" being taken into account. So how is "productivity" calculated? That certainly shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out...

There WILL be unintended consequences from this. The higher the fines involved, the more incentive there is for someone to RUN rather than pull over to take the ticket. That's when things start to get deadly. High speed chases normally always result in property damage or bodily injuries. So what's the $$ value for those kinds of results?

 

[Southern Wolf]

It's a quite simple chain of events, really. The more money government makes off of fines, the more they will raise those fines as well as come up with more and more things to apply the fines for. Try to tell me that this isn't EXACTLY what is taking place right now. All levels of government are hurting for money. THIS is an easy method for them to try to drum up more money, and they certainly are doing just that. They don't give a damn about public safety except for the feel good lip service they publicize. It has really become all about the money. Period. It's just that this is an easy sell by telling everyone that it is for our own safety and welfare. Which just sounds great until YOU are the one who gets a $214 ticket for driving 56 mph in a 55 mph zone (which would most likely be well within the tolerance of error in both the speedometer of your car, the speed detection device, the calibration device, or all of the above) because there is now a stronger financial incentive for law enforcement officers to cite you for tickets.

There is no body on this earth who is going to be able to convince me that law enforcement officers are not reviewed for promotions or even job retention without their "productivity" being taken into account. So how is "productivity" calculated? That certainly shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out...

There WILL be unintended consequences from this. The higher the fines involved, the more incentive there is for someone to RUN rather than pull over to take the ticket. That's when things start to get deadly. High speed chases normally always result in property damage or bodily injuries. So what's the $$ value for those kinds of results?

And here's the PROOF!!!!!

Dallas ISD’s police department, for instance, issued criminal citations to 92 10-year-olds in the 2006-07 school year, the latest year for which such data is available. Alief ISD’s officers issued 163 tickets to elementary school students in 2007. And “several districts ticketed a 6-year-old at least once in the last five years,” according to a recent presentation to the state Senate’s Criminal Justice Committee by Texas Appleseed. Such tickets, often given for “disorderly conduct” or “classroom disruption,” typically are handled in municipal courts or by county justices of the peace and can have fines of between $250 to $500, police and court officials say, though some courts route many students into community service in lieu of fines.

To read more..... http://www.texastribune.org/texas-e...l-district-cops-ticket-thousands-of-students/

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

The American SHEEPLE should have said enough is enough many of years ago and still they remain silent.

Fixed!

 

[Mister Internet]

The American people should have said enough is enough many of years ago and still they remain silent.

Pardon my curiosity, but what exactly is it that *you* do to "fight" this situation to have earned the right to look down your nose at all of us who don't think the government is as sinister and nefarious as you do?

I think they suck, but I don't think it is anything like your opinion. You seem to think that you've earned the right to look down at everyone who isn't ready for armed revolution... what have you done to gain that position?

If you haven't done such a thing (or things), then your statements strike me as nothing more than well-intentioned posturing which, funny enough, is what you're railing against. Like I said, merely curious.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Pardon my curiosity, but what exactly is it that *you* do to "fight" this situation to have earned the right to look down your nose at all of us who don't think the government is as sinister and nefarious as you do?

I think they suck, but I don't think it is anything like your opinion. You seem to think that you've earned the right to look down at everyone who isn't ready for armed revolution... what have you done to gain that position?

If you haven't done such a thing (or things), then your statements strike me as nothing more than well-intentioned posturing which, funny enough, is what you're railing against. Like I said, merely curious.

I'm not looking down at anyone, all I'm doing is posting information and I do have my opinion that our governments are nefarious. America is not being destroyed from any outside threat our enemies are destroying America from within. I also believe An armed revolution would be a big mistake.

 

[hupababy_83]

I'm fu**ed! Oh well. I figured it would happen sooner or later. I hate being right!

 

[KelliH]

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

Also watch "The Second Civil War". I think it was an HBO movie about 10-15 years ago and it is very well done. It will definitely make you think which side your on.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

I do recommend watching Zeitgeist but I did learn who is behind the Zeitgeist movement in this video and I highly recommend watching the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcWbKff494



Another good video to watch is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcWbKff494

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

They're hanging up on me. I'm downloading them to watch later.

 

[Mister Internet]

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

Try not to get sucked in. Conspiracy nuts live in a completely different reality than you and I... trust me, I've "lost" friends to this mindset. They see a film (the films in question are VERY poorly done), think "huh, never heard that before", and then start YouTube hopping and following the trail into The Abyss of Conspiracy.

The funny thing is, they would all accuse me of using religion as a crutch... actually had one of them try to tell me that I only am a Christian because I need a mechanism to explain what's wrong with the world. I told him he was doing the exact same thing, and isn't that a bit duplicitous of him? He still couldn't see it.

Besides, Zeitgeist (the first one) has to be the worst-supported, most ramblinbly incoherent nonesense "refutation" of Christianity and Christian tradition I've ever heard in my life. They substantiate nothing, and all of their "soundbyte" bald assertions (about Christianity "borrowing" from Egyptian mythology, about religions being cobbled together from pieces of those more ancient to construct new systems of population control) ... they are completely unsubstantiated. Oh sure, they rapid-fire these assertions at you in a manner that makes it sound like they just have too many "fact" to get in front of you, and not enough time to do it in (seriously, you're in charge of the video... take all the time you need), when they are reall just making the assertion, making a loose association/correlation, and then moving on before stopping to show even one convincing piece of verifiable proof.

These movies have been around for ages... if it wasn't 9/11, it was the Illuminati... if it wasn't the Illuminati, it was the Vatican... if it wasn't the Vatican, it was the Priory of Sion. Those who argue against religion are correct in their assertion that the human mind strives to "makes sense" of the inequity and tragedy it see all around itself. But the way you make sense of the world is through evidence, reasoning, and the most fitting and explanatory reasons being the truth. Not through creating boogeymen.

Not saying don't educate yourself... conspiracy nuts pride themselves on being able to end conversations with "well, if you didn't watch it, I'm certainly not going to do your homework for you". Educate yourself on what people think, but just because it's a "film" and it say it proves something... doesn't mean it's a film that proves something. That all... just be careful.

 

[Mister Internet]

I'm not looking down at anyone, all I'm doing is posting information and I do have my opinion that our governments are nefarious. America is not being destroyed from any outside threat our enemies are destroying America from within. I also believe An armed revolution would be a big mistake.

Ok, that fine I guess... it's just that you keep saying all this stuff like "you don't have to pay income taxes" and "the government orchestrated and pulled off 9/11 in a worldwide media hoax". It seems that your actions do not match the reality you say you believe in? If I went around telling people I didn't have to pay income taxes, I WOULDN'T PAY INCOME TAXES. If I went around telling people that the U.S. Government planned, orchestrated, carried out, and covered up the largest homeland disaster in decades... think what you're saying. You're saying that even though you "know" you're living under this regime, you're content to stay here. Not only you, but any family or children you may have. You're saying that you're happy to leave their safety and future well-being in the hands of a government that committed this horrible crime.

See, if *I* thought the government did it, I would drive to Mexico and never come back. But you don't see conspiracy people leaving the country... why is that? Why would they say they believe wholeheartedly that they live under a government that they are saying might well decided to kill them at any minute and cover it up... and they're OK with that?? If I truly believed that, my family would be on a boat to Australia tomorrow and we'd never come back.

That's all I'm saying... I have a friend who believes many of the same things as you, but it just strikes me as... all talk?

 

[KelliH]

Try not to get sucked in. Conspiracy nuts live in a completely different reality than you and I... trust me, I've "lost" friends to this mindset. They see a film (the films in question are VERY poorly done), think "huh, never heard that before", and then start YouTube hopping and following the trail into The Abyss of Conspiracy.

The funny thing is, they would all accuse me of using religion as a crutch... actually had one of them try to tell me that I only am a Christian because I need a mechanism to explain what's wrong with the world. I told him he was doing the exact same thing, and isn't that a bit duplicitous of him? He still couldn't see it.

Besides, Zeitgeist (the first one) has to be the worst-supported, most ramblinbly incoherent nonesense "refutation" of Christianity and Christian tradition I've ever heard in my life. They substantiate nothing, and all of their "soundbyte" bald assertions (about Christianity "borrowing" from Egyptian mythology, about religions being cobbled together from pieces of those more ancient to construct new systems of population control) ... they are completely unsubstantiated. Oh sure, they rapid-fire these assertions at you in a manner that makes it sound like they just have too many "fact" to get in front of you, and not enough time to do it in (seriously, you're in charge of the video... take all the time you need), when they are reall just making the assertion, making a loose association/correlation, and then moving on before stopping to show even one convincing piece of verifiable proof.

These movies have been around for ages... if it wasn't 9/11, it was the Illuminati... if it wasn't the Illuminati, it was the Vatican... if it wasn't the Vatican, it was the Priory of Sion. Those who argue against religion are correct in their assertion that the human mind strives to "makes sense" of the inequity and tragedy it see all around itself. But the way you make sense of the world is through evidence, reasoning, and the most fitting and explanatory reasons being the truth. Not through creating boogeymen.

Not saying don't educate yourself... conspiracy nuts pride themselves on being able to end conversations with "well, if you didn't watch it, I'm certainly not going to do your homework for you". Educate yourself on what people think, but just because it's a "film" and it say it proves something... doesn't mean it's a film that proves something. That all... just be careful.

The part that was the most intriguing to me in the first movie was the part on our economic system. The entire second movie was about our economy as well. The 9-11 and religious stuff didn't interest me as much.