Carolina Reptile Exchange, selling Pieds

[Jim O]

If reputation isn't a problem for you would you be interested in some TSE hets?

 

[critical bill]

Check it out Jude....not trying to irritate you...but heres where I think your money went.....

 

[The BoidSmith]

Let me ask once again... How many of you have actually purchased Dave Hanners 100 percent hets from CRE and bred them?
Let's start a poll.... How many people bought CRE's dave hanner's hets? How many eggs were in each clutch? And were all the babies normal? Did you breed them more than once? With the same results?

They are not in my breeding plans, not now not in the distant future. There's also a thread on this site inquiring about Dave Hanners. No one ever has heard of him.

Also - those of you that say "No, they don't produce morphs" - PLEASE have had bred them to see for yourself, not word of mouth, or your opinion from other posts. As much as your opinion matters, it's not hard proof.

No, it's not going to happen. People that have been here for a long time know better. If it took you only 1.5 hours to go through the story of Eisenmann/Digital Reptiles/ CRE/HCE you probably missed a lot of information.

We wish you the best with your heteros though.

 

[Delphi Pythons]

Check it out Jude....not trying to irritate you...but heres where I think your money went.....

Too funny...

Jude, unfortunately at this point I think you should either try to get your money back (recommended!) or wait for those "hets" to grow up and then try and prove them out. I don't think you are going to get the information you are looking for from past CRE customers. But, if you read these threads carefully though you'll find a LOT of unsatisfied CRE customers who purchased herps other than "het" pieds.

Who knows, maybe CRE really does have pieds and het pieds now but do you really want to risk it? Though I personally have not done business with them, nor will I EVER do business with them, the good people on this forum (including past CRE customers) have certainly painted a very unflattering picture of everyone involved with CRE.

If you can still get your money back I would definitely do it. Take that money and buy some hets from reputable breeders. Yeah, you might pay a little bit more but you can't put a price on peace of mind! I just can't imagine spending 2-3 years raising up "het" pieds only to find out after 1-2 breedings that I've put all this time, energy, and money into raising and breeding normals (not that there's anything wrong with normals!).

I don't think anyone besides CRE knows for sure what they are actually selling these days but their checkered past would suggest that these people are not to be trusted.

Best of luck,

John

 

[max54321]

Santoury so sure they were hets but now i see u r dumping them. How come you arn't saying who you bought them from in your add?

 

[santoury]

I don't like this type of bashing. I bought them as hets, and have paperwork. I have been honest and telling interested parties who they come from. I have heard from 3 people so far, and I have told them the same thing, which is the truth. (That's why I still have them) Figure it out... if I have paperwork, what good would lying to somebody do? That's something I do not do. (If I really wanted to dump them, I would never admit I got CRE animals.)
As for the accusation of dumping them - that is absolutely uncalled for. People sell animals on kingsnake day in, day out. Do they have to have a reason? And if you must know, I just bought a group of breeder Ringed Pythons, and am trying to raise the cash for a second breeding trio of the same. But that was none of your business to begin with.
Jude

 

[dmasio]

I dont usually stick my neck out but I inquired about this trio of "het" pieds from santoury "Jude" on KS, and asked him simply who produced them he replied D. Hanners. I told him good luck getting rid of them considering Daves rep with CRE an he asked me to get on here and tell you people that he was forth-coming about the snakes origins. Like I told him I think especially from the description of the one skinny female with the sores that more than likely they are WC's. But heres the conversation we just had back and forth thru emails.



If you go to fauna's BOI< you'll see it right near the top, as the new post brought it up to the top of the list. I appreciate it very much. Jude


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Sure send me a link to which post thread you posted on and what number post it was and I have no problem helping you out. I have some good feedbacks on there as well as threads about me. Thanks Damian
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That may be, but I have paperwork, so I am just passing them along, and being honest about where they came from. I bought them from CRE with the paperwork.
I have read all of those posts, and....
I just got bashed for my ad on fauna in that post. I responded - Would you be as kind as to back me up, telling everybody that I indeed AM telling the truth about where I got them, not hiding the fact. I would appreciate it.
Thank you,
Jude


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Dave Hanners has an awful bad reputation being associated with Carolina Reptile Exchange selling off wild caught animals for supposed het pieds. And from the sounds of the one with the sores thats sounds like what you bought was some wild caughts, but thats just my opinion. I would look into some of these threads it explains it all it may take awhile to look thru them and Im sorry if thats what happened to you.
Damian
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Any suggestions?
Thanks


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Thanks no offense but good luck getting rid of them if they are from Dave.
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Hello
D Hanners. Thank you


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I have not read thru this thread and I am just stating my recent conversation with Jude and do not know him beyond that. Thanks
Damian Macioce

 

[VanZwedenReptiles]

I must have missed something ,what along tread.I really hope theses prove out.I'll keep in touch with Craig K.I was also thinking of getting some of these females,but thought the price was just to good.But with the way the Ball market is going who knows

Greg VanZweden


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[Cat_72]

I don't like this type of bashing. I bought them as hets, and have paperwork. I have been honest and telling interested parties who they come from. I have heard from 3 people so far, and I have told them the same thing, which is the truth. (That's why I still have them) Figure it out... if I have paperwork, what good would lying to somebody do? That's something I do not do. (If I really wanted to dump them, I would never admit I got CRE animals.)
As for the accusation of dumping them - that is absolutely uncalled for. People sell animals on kingsnake day in, day out. Do they have to have a reason? And if you must know, I just bought a group of breeder Ringed Pythons, and am trying to raise the cash for a second breeding trio of the same. But that was none of your business to begin with.
Jude

Sure, you could "not admit" they were CRE animals, but how would you get around it when people asked who the paperwork was from? I guess you could try just saying, "D. Hanners", and hope no one made the connection? Hm.

I have a pair of TSE "hets", and though I could really use the room that they are taking up, ethics simply will not allow me to sell them at this point, unless I sold them as normals, or until I were to breed them. But then, some of us are afflicted with that "ethics" thing, and some of us aren't, I guess. I could not sleep at night knowing that I even MIGHT have sold a pair of fake hets to someone.....and taking advantage of someone else who has no clue who CRE or TSE are is no better than the original scum who sold them.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Furthermore, who is Dave Hanners? No one has ever heard of him, no one has ever claimed to have sold him the breeders they claim he has. The picture of the pied male that's used in their ads is from 2003 (or earlier). There was never a picture of a visual pied even though they claimed to have produced them and sold them. All other well-known breeders have to post pictures of their visual pieds to try to sell them, and it sometimes takes time. But not CRE. Their visual pieds are sold out sight unseen and there are invariably heteros to be sold. Not only that but if you look at past ads they seemed to have perfected the sexed semen technique as they have far more females than males for sale. Now wait a second, females sell for more, right? It seems as if customers are piling up only to buy their pieds instead of those produced by Kahl, Sutherland, Davis, etc. Doesn't that strike as odd to anyone?

 

[Delphi Pythons]

From CRE's most recent ad:

pastels 100% HET PIED !!!M $2000 F$3000 GRAZIANI LINE

...

1.1 100% HET FOR ALBINO AND HET FOR PIED !
YES DOUBLE HETS
$3000 FOR THE PAIR

...

ALBINOS,$1400 UP DUE SOON
PIEDS,$3200 AND UP DUE SOON GRADED BY AMNT OF WHITE

It's funny because their price on the albinos and pieds, although a bit low, are actually close to market prices. The pastel het pieds and the albino/pied DHs, on the other hand, are priced WAY below market price. Sounds a little suspicious, no?

Out of curiousity, has anyone inquired about purchasing a pied or albino from them? I'm wondering what their response to an inquiry like this would look like...

John

 

[The BoidSmith]

From CRE's most recent ad:

pastels 100% HET PIED !!!M $2000 F$3000 GRAZIANI LINE

...

1.1 100% HET FOR ALBINO AND HET FOR PIED !
YES DOUBLE HETS
$3000 FOR THE PAIR

...

ALBINOS,$1400 UP DUE SOON
PIEDS,$3200 AND UP DUE SOON GRADED BY AMNT OF WHITE

It's funny because their price on the albinos and pieds, although a bit low, are actually close to market prices. The pastel het pieds and the albino/pied DHs, on the other hand, are priced WAY below market price. Sounds a little suspicious, no?

Out of curiousity, has anyone inquired about purchasing a pied or albino from them? I'm wondering what their response to an inquiry like this would look like...

John

Yes, I have asked in the past and visual pieds were always sold out. As you can notice the visuals are always "due soon". There has never been to date (in 3 years plus) one single picture of a visual pied offspring posted for sale. As far as the pastel hetero pieds goes, I have my doubts. Currently you can buy pastels for approximately $500...

To produce 100% double hetero pied-albinos you need a visual male and female of each morph. There are only two pictures used in their ads, the same old pied pictured male, and one male albino. Why not posting a picture of a large visual female of either morph or better yet a pair actual copulating? People have posted copulation of visuals to normals before, if you had two visuals wouldn't you use that image as an advertisement? Yes, I know, I know...they don't need to do them as all their visuals are practically sold-out even before they hatch.

Regards.

 

[VanZwedenReptiles]

I noticed that for awhile now too.I was thinking of getting a male pastel het pied,then i seen there add for a pair and it seemed to good to be true!.Its getting to were you must know the person your dealing with well,people like BHB,KAHL,SHARP,VPI etc,Its people like him that are going to make it hard on people like me.I beleave everyone shold get a fair shack,yet who wants to when you have people ripping others off on hets,I allways worry about hets i have bough tor traded from other people.Yet i will trust in them untill they don't prove out,which could take a few years,this is a great place to weed out the people that are doing this hobby and im glad to be a part of it and i let people know about this place,theres so many that don't know ,,,Cheers to the smaller people trying to make a name for them selfs

Greg VanZweden

 

[dumje]

I recieved an email from a Matt Walker trying to pass het albinos from CRE and Dave Hanners....not sure if he is working with them or just duped by them as well...just passing info.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Michael,

Not everyone is aware of this thread and the history behind the owners of CRE. There's probably people who have bought from them who might be convinced the animals they have are absolutely legitimate. Was this from an ad you replied to?

Regards

 

[dumje]

HE WAS TRYING TO TRADE A 1.2 HET ALBINO GROUP (06 BABIES) FOR AN 05 FEMALE PASTEL THAT I HAD ADVERTISED. hE SEEMS TO NOT KNOW WHATS GOING ON...and he lives in charlotte...thats what thru up the light bulb in my mind.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Do him a favor...send him a link to this thread.

Regards.

 

[The BoidSmith]

THIS IS YOUR LUCKY DAY
a few buyers have been turned away as we sold out last week
However, one of our customers has decided
on a different purchase (DOUBLE HET PIED X HET ALBINOS)
we have 1.1 available again !
they havent ever left the shop
and still have the full guarantee

captice bred and born here in Sc
june/06 from
a Dave Hanners pied male
to a graziani line pastel !
you can produce PASTEL PIEDS !

feeding on prekilled sm adult mice
and live rat pinkies
Fat little buggers
around 75 grams


full lifetime written genetic guarantee,
signed photo documentation and
pictures of both parents included

SPECIAL SPECIAL SPECIAL
buy the male 100% het pied PASTEL
$ 2000 SHIPPED
WE WILL GIVE YOU A 100% HET FEMALE PIED
from one of our earlier clutches

OR buy the female 100% het for pied pastel
for $3000 shipped
and get a male 100% het for pied
from a earliwer clutch FREE !!

or buy the pair 1.1 100% het for pied PASTELS
for $4500 shipped and get .2 female 100% het pieds FREE !

PAY QUICKLY WITH PAYPAL
OR
we will also take
western union and postal money orders
(they will be verified before shipping)

live arrival plus 14 days
guaranteed feeding

pic available via email(too large to post)

please email with questions
thanks for looking God Bless

Can hardly believe it! Free 100% hetero pieds with your purchase!

 

[Delphi Pythons]

Can hardly believe it! Free 100% hetero pieds with your purchase!

Just one more bell/buzzer that should be going off in any potential buyer's head...

John

 

[Otter_23]

Jodi, Has CRE made good on the fake hets they sold you yet? They are still posting their great deal on hets. Buyer beware.