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Carolina Reptile Exchange, selling Pieds

John,
You have my sympathies. It is amazing, and almost pathetic (not quite yet), the number of people who will complain here, but not make the extra effort if they have a basis to do anything else about it. I have quoted Edmund Burke before, an enlightened English politician from over 200 years ago, but whether it be CRE, or TSE, the words will always ring true:

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

I'm not a snake person now with regards to what pays my bills, much less a het-ball enthusiast. But if those in a position to to have an impact in cleaning up that corner of the hobby don't make the effort, then you deserve whatever befalls the market. I just watch and eat my popcorn ! I applaud your efforts John.
 
I was talking to someone else about it. And I equate it to, If I saw a dog hit by a car, would I go to see if it was okay, or if I could help it? Yes, because I love dogs, just as I love snakes. I would feel a lot worse about myself if I did nothing at all. I really do not have anything to gain by doing this. But the animals Bruce comes in contact do! This is one of my favorite quotes.


The reason a lot of people do not recognize opportunity is because it usually goes around wearing overalls looking like hard work. Thomas A. Edison
 
Ok, it's been a while since I've posted anything about these idiots, but there's something else I noticed on their website. On, I think it's the 5th page of pictures, they have a picture of their store Coati. HE'S IN A FREAKING IGUANA CAGE!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? THEY HAVE IT RE-INFORCED WITH ZIP TIES!!!!!!! And seeing as how after they changed the caption of their pics that I mentioned in a previous post, I know they read everything on here. Let me just tell you that you are a piece of crap! I hope someone takes your fat a$$ and locks it in an extremely small cage (or jail cell) and see how you like it!
 
WOW......maybe they are finally giving up, everyone knows what kind of crooks they are. Maybe someone should email and ask for pics of their "morphs".

"Illness" forces sale? Mental illness, more than likely. Pftht.
 
THAT'S AWESOME! He'll probably find a way to still screw who ever tries to buy the store. From what I understand, it's nasty. Who ever buys it, should hire a a team of people to go in and sanitize that place.......get the smell of dead animals and poop out of there.
 
They've pushed the het thing as far as it will go. Next year there will be LOTS of people breeding het's, HA, they got from these guys.

Time to pack it up and move on.

They may be complete and total worthless pieces of scum, but they are conniving and this little escape was probably planned long ago.

It's a shame guys like this can go on so long.
 
Well, I really wish I'd found this thread much sooner. :(

First, let me introduce myself. My name is Rick, but my friends call me Tattoo or Tat. I've been a lover of reptiles since I was a teen, and started keeping them as pets in my early 20's. I've had periods of not owning any, mainly due to living in apartments and such. 2 years ago I moved to a small town away from Houston (where i lived most of my life) and now have the room and time to own several herps. I now also run a makeshift reptile rescue here, appropriately named the East Texas Reptile Rescue.

Well, my story is this. I've wanted a piebald ball ever since I first saw the morph, but the prices always deterred me. As I researched more, and discovered hets, I figured this was the best solution for me. I discovered Kingsnake.com and I was hooked, finding several great deals on reptiles that we now own. One of these was a 100% het for pied male from Alan Bosch. The snake was beautiful, in great health, and ate like a champ immediately.

Now comes the problem. With female 100% hets costing around $1000, and finances the way they are (i've been running and advertising ETRR for 6 months now, and though we've taken in several reptiles, no donations have come so far), a female 100% was out of my reach.

Then I found an ad on Kingsnake that was too good to be true. Little did i know. Carolina Reptile Exchange would sell me a 100% het for pied female for $600? I was excited and anxious, but even $600 in one chunk was more than i could afford at the time. But wait! After talking to someone at CRE, they would let me pay in installments and ship the snake once the balance was paid. They even gave me 60 days to pay off the snake. This was too good to be true! (here we go again)

Well, to make a long story short, the snake was paid off a bit over 30 days later, and 2 weeks later they shipped my snake. The snake arrived and looked quite pretty. A bit of a stripe along the neck and tail. I'd expected this as they stated they were sending me a holdback of theirs to make of for the delay in shipment. I couldn't believe the deal I was getting. The snake was full-bodied, and appeared healthy. She ate readily 2 days later, after getting acclimated. All was well I thought.

Then the problems started. I noticed little black spots on the paper towels in her cage. I haven't had any experience with reptile mites until now. Sure enough, they were mites. I hadn't seen any on her when she arrived or in the container she was shipped in, but I know none of my other animals have these, and they are isolated to her tank only. Well, I'm currently treating her (I'm still assuming it's a "her"). Then today, she has her first bowel movement. It wasn't a nice lump of fecal matter. More like a dark stain on the paper towel. Nothing solid to it. *sigh*

Well, I've got an appointment with my vet tomorrow. Hopefully it will at least be female, and not a wild caught. My vet has mentioned testing her for internal parasites, and said that wild caught carry some specific bacteria. Hopefully these tests come up negative, and the worst CRE is guilty of is housing these "investment quality animals" in very very poor conditions.

I've filed the ads from kingsnake, and all correspondence CRE and I exchanged with my lawyer. Hopefully this turns out to be just precaution, but I've been burned before, and learned my lesson.

If anyone has any advice, please contact me. And thanks for this thread. Just wish I'd been smarter and searched for information about this company sooner. :crap:
 
Well, I've corresponded today with Elijah of CRE today. He's successfully put my mind at ease a bit. The girl is still going to the vet tomorrow, so hopefully all is well.

As I said, she appeared healthy upon arrival, and has nice markings. Just started worrying after finding this thread, and then the mites and runny fecal matter. Hopefully tomorrow I find out all is well, and have some piebald babies in the near future.

I won't hesitate to promote CRE if they've done right by me. I just worry after spending money on a snake, so hopefully they were just an overactive worry gland on my part.
 
TattooLost said:
Well, I've corresponded today with Elijah of CRE today. He's successfully put my mind at ease a bit. The girl is still going to the vet tomorrow, so hopefully all is well.

As I said, she appeared healthy upon arrival, and has nice markings. Just started worrying after finding this thread, and then the mites and runny fecal matter. Hopefully tomorrow I find out all is well, and have some piebald babies in the near future.

I won't hesitate to promote CRE if they've done right by me. I just worry after spending money on a snake, so hopefully they were just an overactive worry gland on my part.
They are trying to dump the business, so being nice and doing the right thing now is in their benifit. You MIGHT even have a real het just to throw off all the people the ROBBED.

There is NO doubt that they lied, cheated, stole, robbed, just plain ol flim flammed A LOT of people out of thousands and thousands of dollars. NONE.

But, being as conniving as they are, I would not be surprised at all to see some gesture on thier part to try to make the unknowing think cre was anything other than sewage, raw sewage at that.

Good luck, nothing personal and I hope it works out for you. It's just that giving them any credit for anything, well, it's sort of sad to see that happen, to see someone so utterly fooled by these buffoons, it's just sad.
 
Well, I've corresponded today with Elijah of CRE today. He's successfully put my mind at ease a bit. The girl is still going to the vet tomorrow, so hopefully all is well.

Richard,

Welcome to the BOI! You registered today so I assume you haven't had the time yet to read through the threads on Harry Eisenmann, HCE, Digital Reptiles, and the multiple one's on CRE.

Just out of curiosity, what did he tell you to put your mind at ease?

Regards
 
He basically said that they had a large shop full of reptiles, many of which are wild caught and others "investment animals". Guess the mites just run rampant. He then said the runny feces could be from the stress of shipment, etc. He stood by their guarantee and said if I was not satisfied I could ship the snake back for store credit. After reading many horror stories however, if this were to be the case, I would fly out there and exchange it in person.

I'm really hoping this is just a misunderstanding and the snake is in fact what it was advertised as. A female 100% het for pied. If it's not, then I will pursue further. The person corresponding with me got rather defensive when I sent them the first email, but seemed to calm down. :NoNo:

Well, I'll be sure to post any further findings and such.
 
TattooLost said:
He basically said that they had a large shop full of reptiles, many of which are wild caught and others "investment animals". Guess the mites just run rampant. He then said the runny feces could be from the stress of shipment, etc. He stood by their guarantee and said if I was not satisfied I could ship the snake back for store credit. After reading many horror stories however, if this were to be the case, I would fly out there and exchange it in person.

I'm really hoping this is just a misunderstanding and the snake is in fact what it was advertised as. A female 100% het for pied. If it's not, then I will pursue further. The person corresponding with me got rather defensive when I sent them the first email, but seemed to calm down. :NoNo:

Well, I'll be sure to post any further findings and such.
Sorry for your misfortune. Read some of these and I'm sure you will soon realize what you have.

Dennis Hultman said:
 
These guys have proven to be some of the worst you could have possibly dealt with. After reading those threads I'm sure you will see why.
 
I am really glad they took such good care of you. They must be really great guys after all. My guess would be the other 1000+ post about them are all wrong, and they are really great guys. Please let me know when you produce from your snake, it should be very satisfying ( Please read the above with extreme sarcasm) Craig Kade
 
He stood by their guarantee and said if I was not satisfied I could ship the snake back for store credit. After reading many horror stories however, if this were to be the case, I would fly out there and exchange it in person.

Wouldn't it be better to accept the store credit for an animal where you wouldn't have to gamble with its genetics? Remember that their store is currently for sale. Hopes for any future claims will vanish "IF" they are able to sell their business.

Good luck!
 
yea, I agree, that's what I would do. That would be a smarter move than waiting, and then the store gets sold and you're stuck.
 
Then again, what could they possibly have, were you a discontent filled customer, that you would want?

The guy is pretty much stuck.
 
Wes,

I'm not sure but $600 for a potentially normal ball python is a lot of money. For that kind of money I would rather buy 10 normal females and raise them up to breed with the true hetero male and produce possible hetero pieds. At least those 10 are going to be 100% guaranteed. Yes, you are investing at least 6 years before you produce pieds. But by going this route he is already wasting three years almost guaranteed.
 
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