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Bad Guy Charles Looney Blue Venom Reptiles and Jessica Daniel and John Owens Triple Jreptiles

Charles I think there was more than enough evidence to believe you would have done anything you could to fulfill your personal vendetta.
I'm not sure how I went to great lengths to say you were making it up. I did was say that the fact that you are the one stating these claims and the one taking pictures did not convince me that there were issues.

Maegan.....You even said we had to of photo shopped the pictures!


To your apparently surprise of me saying that I was wrong, I said on the forums that a partial refund was offered, then that a full refund was offered. I also stated that I was taking the snake to the vet to which you responded that you would be surprised if she got there
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Well you did lie about us making a deal and accuse your customer and/or me of photo shopping pictures to not take responsibility.

There was no deal with you. I'm not sure why you are so convinced that there was an agreement to trade with you. I told you "no" twice. At best there was a loose agreement to check out what you had on Friday
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You told me heather said no and then heather contacted me saying she only wanted the female and not the pair. So noe it was a loose agreement not a solid agreemeny. You should be clear with your customers of your lose agreement policy. You could have told me you had another deal when I told you I needed to plan on being there friday but you did not. You still had be plan on being available.




The text messages I posted start on November 23rd. I didn't post anything that appears before this date unless the conversation was on Facebook. I posted your text messages that you say prove your point. Again not so sure why you think there is a deal. I told you no twice, and Heather told you that we would prefer to make a cash deal since the female hog island is the only thing we were interested in. You said you didn't want to and said you could figure something out.


Yes you said that and then heather wrote back and said she only wanted the one hogg and set up the trade for tuesday. When she did not show I got back up with her and she said it would be Friday. Its all there in black and white. Show me the message where you told me you made a cash deal and we were not making the trade on friday.



That is a two hour drive for her to "figure something out" with you
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You nore her told me she would be thinking about it over the drive.


You went as far as to say "...if anyone see any excuse for their actions and feI don't think you are sticking up for what is right Charles. Since this transaction you have done nothing but be a bully, threaten, and berate me and anyone who has supported me.el cutomers being new are at fault I think people may think twice about buying from you."

Actually no one was supporting you I beleive they were telling you to give a refund and The dozens who are supporting the buyer me included only wanted a refund.




You have threatened to post on the fauna boi continuously since Saturday. I'm sorry you feel that you that the replies are unfair because I posted first. You took the time to post on several forums the situation. Once Jessica Daniel ignored me so that I could no longer reply I thought it was best to state this someplace where I had equal footing to defend myself. I have already explained how the decision to issue a refund was reached, I'm sorry you feel that isn't the case.


You have been posting negative comments to your wall since this started and they are probably still up now. You started this whole deal off wrong lieing to your customers and potentil customers. And you denied all requests for your class III permit information and still ignore any mention of it.



I haven't posted on any forum, any defense on anything since Saturday. I haven't said anything in five days and wouldn't have done so but became tired of watching day after day you and Jessica having something new to say. You have posted something every day since Saturday about this transaction. The things I post on my own personal Facebook page are just that, personal. I haven't posted anything that wasn't posted someplace else.


You linked the posts to several sites I am on so everytime you update its fresh on all the sites. You seem way more advanced than me on this tech stuff so I assume you know that. You did yourself more harm than good trying to get out of the refund. Now that you have the damage is done and you exposed yourself for dealing illeagally in the state.
 
You linked the posts to several sites I am on so everytime you update its fresh on all the sites. You seem way more advanced than me on this tech stuff so I assume you know that. .

Posting to my own page does not bump any posts in any forums. In fact in doesn't even bump where you posted my album in the FBI forums. Feel free to take a look. However since you re-posted the whole album yesterday I am sure you know that. I have only kept you as a friend to be fair and give you the chance to say what you need to. If you like I will be more than happy to delete you and then you won't have my constant updating on your Newfeed. Or you could just hide all my postings so you don't have to see them.
 

More backpedaling. So now you're admitting to having lied? That's a good start. First it was on death's door, now you can't say it's actually ill, just thin. You're a riot. Those of you who think you're smart, are pretty amusing to those of us who actually are. Keep on flailing
.


I am not back peddling at all. It is still my opinion that the snake is ill. Just because I admitt I am no vet and can only verify the poor thing is way under weight and a vet needs to verify if it has an ilness. I would not let it around my stuff even after a prolong qurantine and vet check.



Yet another lie. This text tells a very different story: "Everyone knew what was going on the whole time." You guys really should work harder on keeping your respective stories straight.

Ok now you are quoting a completely different text. LMAO who are you fooling. What does this have to do with her saying that when she agreed to buy the snakes that she did not know I had a deal going on the same snake. She learned later when john told me he made a deal with her and then at some point john told her....Really dude you if you cant straighten out the timeline before you keep posting your opinion on it what good is it. I know you are trying to back up your opinion here but you are taking different quotes from different days and making what you want out of it.

What deal, exactly? The one that there's nothing to prove was set in stone? Somehow, I doubt the validity of your chosen interpretation of Jessica's post, however, it makes no difference. It's yet another instance of misleading claims that do nothing but cloud the issue. If she had such a problem with your supposed deal, she could have backed out at any time. Since she apparently wasn't bothered by it, and continued with the transaction, it amounts to nothing more than harping on a non-issue to try to play the poor, innocent victim. I'm noticing a bit of a theme.

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You've attacked and subsequently backtracked
. I am not backtracking on anything. The only attempts I have made were to show that even if I give them the benifit of the doubt they are still wrong. I still feel the snake is ill and if it is not then it is starved. But apperently you feel this is ok and are going to keep looking for off the wall bits of info to take a shot at me. But the real issues you are avoiding. You have yet to ask if she is dealing illeagally without a class III permit

Going back and forth arguing with you is not going to help anything. I never lied about anything in this and have no reason to. I have nothing to defend and will continue to do business as usuall. The girls did a shady deal and treated all 3 of us like crap. This is the outcome. I will keep you posted on any wildlife violations they have run into.
 
Posting to my own page does not bump any posts in any forums. In fact in doesn't even bump where you posted my album in the FBI forums. Feel free to take a look. However since you re-posted the whole album yesterday I am sure you know that. I have only kept you as a friend to be fair and give you the chance to say what you need to. If you like I will be more than happy to delete you and then you won't have my constant updating on your Newfeed. Or you could just hide all my postings so you don't have to see them.

I just realized all the stuff you said in the album and thats why I just responded. And you still ignore the request for class III permit information and the fact that you are dealing illegally in the state of Florida.
 
Maegan.....You even said we had to of photo shopped the pictures!
Well you did lie about us making a deal and accuse your customer and/or me of photo shopping pictures to not take responsibility.

I never thought you photo-shopped the pictures, I thought you used another ball python for your pictures.

You have been posting negative comments to your wall since this started and they are probably still up now. You started this whole deal off wrong lieing to your customers and potentil customers.

I in fact have not posted anything to my wall. I haven't posted anything but updated the photo album. Feel free to provide proof of any comments I have made on my wall. I have in fact just posted every photo I have of the comments on the FBI forum. I do not see this bumping the post on the forum itself.

However Charles I am done speaking to you. I did not post this here to drag your insistent need to further your agenda onto this platform. I posted it solely for proof that I am not mistreating my animals and I am willing to take her to the vet to show you didn't even get something as simple as the length right. You both have accused me of a criminal offence and I will do everything in my power to prove this isn't the case.
 
I never thought you photo-shopped the pictures, I thought you used another ball python for your pictures.



I in fact have not posted anything to my wall. I haven't posted anything but updated the photo album. Feel free to provide proof of any comments I have made on my wall. I have in fact just posted every photo I have of the comments on the FBI forum. I do not see this bumping the post on the forum itself.

However Charles I am done speaking to you. I did not post this here to drag your insistent need to further your agenda onto this platform. I posted it solely for proof that I am not mistreating my animals and I am willing to take her to the vet to show you didn't even get something as simple as the length right. You
both have accused me of a criminal offence
and I will do everything in my power to prove this isn't the case.



Maegen the sale of one reptile in the state of florida without a class III permit is a criminal offence. You admit to that all over the net. I dont have to accuse you of it. You brought attention to the fact of your crime and I was not the even the one who brought it up although it is very true. You brought a lot of attention to your crime yourself.
 
<miscellaneous senseless drivel>
You're officially no longer even worth the effort of rebutting in an itemized fashion. Your story and the "point" changes with each subsequent telling. Everything I've posted is very much in context, despite your feeble attempts to try to say otherwise. Not only can I properly spell "reading comprehension", but it's a skill that I possess. Give it a try.

The snake doesn't appear to be unhealthy. Perhaps not everyone buys into your own school of thought: pump them full of feeders so they can pop out as many eggs as possible, as soon as possible. I believe they were all fed right away after they were bought? Kinda shows a lack of concern for their welfare, and more concern for fattening them up for breeding. Who cares if they don't live half as long as they should? As long as you can make your money off them, all's well.

Out of three snakes, the "sick" one is the one you decided to take out into the cold for your photographs. I can't imagine why a sensible, well-meaning person would allow a sick snake to get cold. Amazing coincidence that that's the only one that appeared sick in any way. Yeah, I know you say it was only outside for 5 minutes, but refer to my previous post as to exactly what I feel your word is worth. I'm flat-out saying that I believe you intentionally staged that scenario. Based on that alone, I think you're a worthless individual. Everything else is just a bonus.

Snakes were apparently fine when the buyer initially took possession. One ended up being "sick" when in your hands. Then fine when the refund was given and it was taken back into Maegan's possession. Can't wait to see the vet. report.

If Maegan doesn't possess the proper credentials to lawfully sell reptiles in Florida, her willful disregard for the law is certainly not a good thing. However, since you obviously knew about it, and by extension, your friends likely knew it too; what's that say about you guys? It obviously didn't bother you as long as you stood to gain something. You're only now calling attention to it so you can further your little smear campaign. You can't pretend to take the moral high ground after you were more than willing to buy from someone you knew shouldn't be selling.
 
You're officially no longer even worth the effort of rebutting in an itemized fashion. Your story and the "point" changes with each subsequent telling. Everything I've posted is very much in context, despite your feeble attempts to try to say otherwise. Not only can I properly spell "reading comprehension", but it's a skill that I possess. Give it a try.

The snake doesn't appear to be unhealthy. Perhaps not everyone buys into your own school of thought: pump them full of feeders so they can pop out as many eggs as possible, as soon as possible. I believe they were all fed right away after they were bought? Kinda shows a lack of concern for their welfare, and more concern for fattening them up for breeding. Who cares if they don't live half as long as they should? As long as you can make your money off them, all's well.

Out of three snakes, the "sick" one is the one you decided to take out into the cold for your photographs. I can't imagine why a sensible, well-meaning person would allow a sick snake to get cold. Amazing coincidence that that's the only one that appeared sick in any way. Yeah, I know you say it was only outside for 5 minutes, but refer to my previous post as to exactly what I feel your word is worth. I'm flat-out saying that I believe you intentionally staged that scenario. Based on that alone, I think you're a worthless individual. Everything else is just a bonus.

Snakes were apparently fine when the buyer initially took possession. One ended up being "sick" when in your hands. Then fine when the refund was given and it was taken back into Maegan's possession. Can't wait to see the vet. report.

If Maegan doesn't possess the proper credentials to lawfully sell reptiles in Florida, her willful disregard for the law is certainly not a good thing. However, since you obviously knew about it, and by extension, your friends likely knew it too; what's that say about you guys? It obviously didn't bother you as long as you stood to gain something. You're only now calling attention to it so you can further your little smear campaign. You can't pretend to take the moral high ground after you were more than willing to buy from someone you knew shouldn't be selling.

I didnt know. If you read you will see this brought attention to her and someone else brought it up and that is why we all now know. You are so obviously one sided on this with all of the wrong done by the other party one would have to wonder why. When dozens stick up for the seller you call it a click. But you have been the only one with such one sided statements in this whole thing. you fish for all these things that dont pan out because you did not read correctly but fail to mention all the dirty lies by them. Just because I have not mebtioned all of them because there are so many and pointless but it seems to be the kind of thing you are into so why dont you ponder a few more of their lies instead of being so one sided.

1) they claimed to be getting rid of the BP's because they were getting out of BP's yet they were still asking me for het pieds in the FB messages.

2)They are illegally selling in the first place yet you have not asked them about it.

3)they posted pics of a bigger snake calling it the one I claim to be skinny. I caught it 5 days later and am berated for bringing it to everyones ateention. I guess I should have let her go with that lie also?

4)What seller refuses a customer a refund in an hour when they are so unhappy with their purchase for any reason?

5)They were clearly dishonest up front and not honest about the double deal no matter how you look at it.

6)They were way of on the weight of the snake in the ad even if you think that is a healthy weight for a BP wich it is not.

7)They did sell a female as a male...and denied picture proof it was so

I can go on but its clear you are not interested in any wrong doing on their part and have a one sided opinion. Me being there in person and personally involved can still be objective and say I am not right about everything. You on the otherhand have made it clear your agenda and will not be looking at both sides.
 
I have been more than willing to answer all questions. So why not a 3rd party on this forum ask the girls if they have their class III permit and see what they have to say?
 
I never thought you photo-shopped the pictures, I thought you used another ball python for your pictures.


These are the pictures Charles Looney took of the snake and posted in the Northwest Florida Herp Society where he is the president.

*these photos were removed an hour after being posted*

*My own opinion* These photos are doctored. They are smaller than the phones that were taken the "same day" as the ones that prove the female is a male. However these are smaller. That only happens when the photo has been edited in some way/* — with Charles Looney


Ok you never said that and you meant you thought I used another snake. I copied this from your post saying otherwise. Just another lie dan is not questioning. I will keep the forum updated about the criminal offence and if any charges are placed I will post court dates and the outcome.
 
what a long read. this is a deal that went bad but the one thing that does jump out is the illegal selling of reptiles in the state of Florida. I do not know anyone involved in this so i will ask all the people involved please post the class 111 license giving you the right to sell wild life in Florida esp. since there is enough heat on this community by the government about snakes in general.. now i noticed that i refund was giving and the snakes returned at least one good thing happened in this bad deal
 
And...I'm done with this joke.

I'm far from one-sided. I just see you as the shady instigator that you clearly are. As I clearly stated in my first post -which you apparently lack the capacity to comprehend- I think it's a mess, and it's possible that all involved are the "Bad Guys". Just one of many things you conveniently choose to miss. Like when I asked you to post proof of your own permit to sell reptiles in FL.

As I also clearly stated, the sellers won't be getting a free pass on what they've done wrong. The fact that I see them as the much lesser of all involved evils doesn't mean I hold them completely blameless. I just believe that vast majority of all the ensuing drama is your own doing. For someone who claims to have better things to do, you sure are spending a lot of time being the mouthpiece. You've been instigating from the start, and TripleJ have happily parroted whatever you say. It's sad that you're apparently the brains of the operation.

1)"Getting out" of BPs can mean different things to different people. Maybe it's simple shift of focus, while not a complete lack of interest. Perhaps they simply want to produce a pied for their own private collection. I don't like BPs, but I wouldn't mind having a pied. Maybe they were looking to re-sell.

2)Yet another one of my statements that you've managed to miss.
ME said:
If Maegan doesn't possess the proper credentials to lawfully sell reptiles in Florida, her willful disregard for the law is certainly not a good thing.
Since turnabout is fair play, how about showing us all that you're legitimately permitted to sell reptiles. What's good for the goose...

3)You have a persecution complex. I don't see anyone berating you for pointing out that she had the wrong picture. Yet another exaggeration? It's very plausible that she could have sincerely gotten pictures mixed up. There was apparently many things to upload and catagorize. When it was pointed out that it was the wrong snake, she openly acknowledged it. Or maybe it was intentional. I don't know. I don't believe it was. She clearly put a lot of time and effort into lining up her ducks and writing the story.

I just noticed another example of your little exaggerations. Click Me. You claim to have "left lots of great boi", yet aside from this thread, you have a single comment in a different thread that you started. 1= "lots"? If Maegan's a liar, you're surely right there with her. See? It's pretty easy to pick out lies when you choose to have a very black-and-white definition of them.
There is no such thing as an inconsequential lie
Oh, sweet irony.

4)A seller that has you calling her a douch[sic] and a liar while playing your games. Also, possibly one that firmly believes that she sold healthy females, and, like me, has reason to doubt your sincerity and your word. Apparently she didn't feel the need to let one of them dangle into the cold air to get the proper context in which to think that it may be sick. As stated, I believe that YOUR involvement is what created and perpetuated all of the strife.

5)Keep whining about the "deal". All you're doing is reinforcing my sour grapes statement. The last definite reference that I saw about your potential trade was her deciding against it. If you have something that absolutely proves that she had finally agreed to the "deal", feel free to post it. The supposed proof you have on your profile doesn't cut it. At no point do I see her stating "yes we will definitely be doing the trade"

6)They clearly dropped the ball on the differences in advertised weight.

7)And what you either can't or won't acknowledge is that YOU are very likely the sole reason for this. You were aggressive and belittling even before the snakes changed hands. At that point, you could have told me that piss was yellow and I'd need to hit the bathroom just to make sure. Again, back to what I think your word counts for.

You're objective? That's laughable. I bet you couldn't even type that with a straight face.
 
I'm far from one-sided. I just see you as the shady instigator that you clearly are. As I clearly stated in my first post -which you apparently lack the capacity to comprehend- I think it's a mess, and it's possible that all involved are the "Bad Guys
".



You are one sided. All you have done is search for something to use against me and it is BS everytime and try to excuse blatent lies by them. And the mention of the clicks on FB. I never even knew about the FBI and the oOnes that troll the site like you troll this one. Yet they agree the girls were liars.


Just one of many things you conveniently choose to miss. Like when I asked you to post proof of your own permit to sell reptiles in FL
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I will add my class III and my venomous permits to my gallory but not for your sake. As it will change nothing in your blinded onesided view

As I also clearly stated, the sellers won't be getting a free pass on what they've done wrong. The fact that I see them as the much lesser of all involved evils doesn't mean I hold them completely blameless. I just believe that vast majority of all the ensuing drama is your own doing. For someone who claims to have better things to do, you sure are spending a lot of time being the mouthpiece. You've been instigating from the start, and TripleJ have happily parroted whatever you say. It's sad that you're apparently the brains of the operation.


We dont need you to make sure they wont get a free pass sitting from your couch trolling this site. The FWC is going to make sure of that.


1)
"Getting out" of BPs can mean different things to different people. Maybe it's simple shift of focus, while not a complete lack of interest. Perhaps they simply want to produce a pied for their own private collection. I don't like BPs, but I wouldn't mind having a pied. Maybe they were looking to re-sell
.

What a cop out. Getting out of BP means getting out of BP. Out right lie

2)Yet another one of my statements that you've managed to miss.
Since turnabout is fair play, how about showing us all that you're legitimately permitted to sell reptiles. What's good for the goose...


Easy enough. We will se what you have to say about it. I have had mine for a long time.


3
)You have a persecution complex. I don't see anyone berating you for pointing out that she had the wrong picture. Yet another exaggeration? It's very plausible that she could have sincerely gotten pictures mixed up. There was apparently many things to upload and catagorize. When it was pointed out that it was the wrong snake, she openly acknowledged it. Or maybe it was intentional. I don't know. I don't believe it was. She clearly put a lot of time and effort into lining up her ducks and writing the story
.


UUUHHHH yeah she is complaining that 5 days later I am still posting about it but thats when I saw all the BS she posted to the pics. That being one of them.


I just noticed another example of your little exaggerations. Click Me. You claim to have "left lots of great boi", yet aside from this thread, you have a single comment in a different thread that you started. 1= "lots"? If Maegan's a liar, you're surely right there with her. See? It's pretty easy to pick out lies when you choose to have a very black-and-white definition of them.
Oh, sweet irony.


You think this is the only place to leave one. I rarely get on fauna.


4
)A seller that has you calling her a douch[sic] and a liar while playing your games. Also, possibly one that firmly believes that she sold healthy females, and, like me, has reason to doubt your sincerity and your word. Apparently she didn't feel the need to let one of them dangle into the cold air to get the proper context in which to think that it may be sick. As stated, I believe that YOUR involvement is what created and perpetuated all of the strife.
5)


Strife came after she called me a liar. My word is good and I surely am not worried about having to prove that.


Keep whining about the "deal". All you're doing is reinforcing my sour grapes statement. The last definite reference that I saw about your potential trade was her deciding against it. If you have something that absolutely proves that she had finally agreed to the "deal", feel free to post it. The supposed proof you have on your profile doesn't cut it. At no point do I see her stating "yes we will definitely be doing the trade"


Ok genius what was she trying to meet me for? I know the phone convo is not proof so I am not even using it. Eveyone here knows I would not just make this up and trust me they ruined their chances of selling herps here in the future with all this mess. And they are not certified to ship sooooo...




6)They clearly dropped the ball on the differences in advertised weight.

7)And what you either can't or won't acknowledge is that YOU are very likely the sole reason for this. You were aggressive and belittling even before the snakes changed hands. At that point, you could have told me that piss was yellow and I'd need to hit the bathroom just to make sure. Again, back to what I think your word counts for.

Yeah I was not taking their crap just like I would not take yours if you tried to rip someone off.

You're objective? That's laughable. I bet you couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Well you managed another string of nonsense good job! When you come up with something tangable let me know. You still type endlessly grabbing at straws. You took the wrong stance now you are stuck with it. The girls even broke the law in this deal and you cant stop digging for something to turn this on me. Do yall know each other or something? Are you going to pay her fines? No dan that pic of you on your profile is laughable. And I thought you were done posting here?
 
My permits are now in my gallery. Dan do me a favor and print them out roll over on that mountain of gut you got and shove them up your fat ***
 
I'm confused, what is it the sellers need a class III permit to sell?

In florida I is quite different from anywhere else as we have unique problems. To sell or trade any reptile in Florida you need a class III permit for even one sell or trade. And saying you are not making a profit or didnt know or any other excuse that one can dream up will not get around it. These two have been flipping reptiles on facebook for some time now. What they are doing is very bad for what we are already going through here in Florida.
 
My permits are now in my gallery. Dan do me a favor and print them out roll over on that mountain of gut you got and shove them up your fat ***

I guess when you've been repeatedly shown to be a liar and someone to be avoided, all you have left is to revert to the same idiocy which brought this whole situation about in the first place. You're too easy.
bluevenom said:
To sell or trade any reptile in Florida you need a class III permit for even one sell or trade.
Incorrect. Guess we can add another one to your list of lies. A Class 3 Permit isn't required for all reptiles sales. You really do suck at lying.

http://myfwc.com/license/captive-wildlife/

List of conditional reptiles. I don't see BPs anywhere..
http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/conditional-prohibited-species/conditional-reptiles/
 

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My permits are now in my gallery. Dan do me a favor and print them out roll over on that mountain of gut you got and shove them up your fat ***

Mr. Looney, being mean isnt going to get your point across, nor will it get people to take your side. IMO, by being mean and calling names you're :shootfoot
JMO, carry on :D
 
That is a possesion permit list Tard. You need a class III to sell any reptile in the state of Florida. Keep reading. I am not surprised you are having trouble with this one as even people with good sense find it confusing at first. You are going to have a real time figuring it out. LOL
 
Mr. Looney, being mean isnt going to get your point across, nor will it get people to take your side. IMO, by being mean and calling names you're :shootfoot
JMO, carry on :D

You are correct. LOL sorry but I realized there is no getting through to Dan once he has started no matter how wrong he is. I have a hard wired limit to the nonsense I can take before I gotta say whats on my mind. But really Its about the facts and not winning one over to take your side. I mean it should be but you are correct. You have to be political to win over most and right and wrong can sometimes have little to do with it. Just like the permit thing. He reads quick, jumps the gun and pops off and is wrong. Then he just comes at another angle to win the argument. Will he rad it correctly and realize I am right and apologize for calling me a liar? No he wont and I lost the respect for him. He is running in one direction and wont be changing course no matter how much he sees he is wrong.
 
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