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Chelsea Richardson-SNAKE KILLER...

simply a lack of experience and knowledge.
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I would have to disagree. Being off on the temps a little or other minor husbandry issues is one thing, but
felix_herp_00 said:
also a bowl of scalding hot water was placed in the tank every day with a towel placed over the top of the tank to add to the humidity.
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The snake had to soak in the same scalding hot water.
felix_herp_00 said:
the cage was furnished with the bowl that was used for both soaking and the hot water for humidity.
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That's just plain stupid.

They were able to find this thread to post in. They could have found a care sheet in less time then it took to make that post.
I'm sorry but it's one thing to educate yourself on a species, another to have some common sense. You don't make an animal soak in scolding hot water.
 
FYI.....The whole thing about the scalding hot water was news to me. They made no mention of this to me when I picked the snake up at their location.
 
Wow.

I'll tell you, not to steal a thread, but man, my first post about someone's inquiry, I got jumped ALL OVER for trying to say something nice about someone. I just spent the last couple days reading over this post, and wow, what the heck is the issue at hand!? I would love to be involved with the BOI, but 45 pages later... I have become disinterested at what can be blown completely out of proportion... 'he said" "she said". My goodness! Is it always like this?
 
Dennis Hultman said:
I would have to disagree. Being off on the temps a little or other minor husbandry issues is one thing, but
The snake had to soak in the same scalding hot water.
That's just plain stupid.

They were able to find this thread to post in. They could have found a care sheet in less time then it took to make that post.
I'm sorry but it's one thing to educate yourself on a species, another to have some common sense. You don't make an animal soak in scolding hot water.
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Dennis

I agree that the bowl of scalding water covered by a towel to raise humidity was a bad idea. I call that a lack of knowledge and experience. The result they were aiming for, higher humidity, indicates that they were trying, albeit badly, to accomodate the animals requirements.

As for the second part of your statement, I interpreted it to mean that after the scalding sessions, they then refilled it as a water bowl. I doubt they left scaldimg water uncovered in the tank for the animal to soak in.

Regardless, I think all here agree that the animal was killed due to their poor husbandry.

David, as several others have pointed out, your tendancy to over react (as in the title of this thread) does not serve you well. You need to learn when enough is enough. Following these people around badmouthing them is not going to harm anyone's rep but your own.
 
While I can't condone the placement of a bowl of "scalding hot water" into the enclosure, I doubt that the snake was either compelled to soak in it (like we read about with some homo-sapiens), or that the water was constantly replaced so as to remain "scalding". Matter of fact, I am willing to speculate that it cooled to normal temperature in a matter of 30 minutes or so, after which time it was just a bowl of "cage-temperature water". I could be wrong though, as it could be that new "miracle water" that never cools. :rolleyes:

Honestly, I doubt that either of them would show themselves at the show after this whole thing. That would be the best thing for all parties involved I think.
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David, maybe the best thing for all parties, including the members of the BOI, would be for you to also take a leave-of-absence from all venues.
 
Suncoast Herpetological said:
As for the second part of your statement, I interpreted it to mean that after the scalding sessions, they then refilled it as a water bowl. I doubt they left scaldimg water uncovered in the tank for the animal to soak in.
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They never stated they covered the bowl. They covered the tank with a bowl of hot water in it. If you have BRB's you know they went for the water. Same difference, if they filled it with drinking water later. How would the snake know when it has hot or when it was cold?
 
Chameleon Company said:
While I can't condone the placement of a bowl of "scalding hot water" into the enclosure, I doubt that the snake was either compelled to soak in it (like we read about with some homo-sapiens), or that the water was constantly replaced so as to remain "scalding". Matter of fact, I am willing to speculate that it cooled to normal temperature in a matter of 30 minutes or so, after which time it was just a bowl of "cage-temperature water". I could be wrong though, as it could be that new "miracle water" that never cools. :rolleyes:
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It wouldn't matter of ten or thirty. Those that have BRB's know that. They would of headed for the water. Do you think he would have tested it with the tip of his tail?
 
my first post about someone's inquiry, I got jumped ALL OVER for trying to say something nice about someone.
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There must be varying definitions of "Jumped All Over". In the thread you're speaking of someone just asked you a question- IMO.

This is the BOI and people ask questions on it. They don't necessarily take what someone says at face value. If you don't think there were some enlightening issues that came out on this thread then probably the BOI isn't the place for you.
Also, change you set-up to 40 posts per page(or something like that). It is a lot easier to read it that way.
 
Snakes, as some of us know, do not register temperature extremes as quickly as mammals.

Just suppose that ONCE, since it was a DAILY occurance, the baby snake completely immersed itself in the SCALDING HOT water? Gee, I wonder if that could cause brain damage. I wonder if that would cause a snake to begin to die. I wonder how long it takes to parboil a snake the size of a baby rainbowboa.

Those who are defending these two snake killers, the USUAL defenders of those who have NO defense, really need to take a second look without the rose coloured glasses.

It's all well and good to play devil's advocate but REALLY, can you honestly say there is not OVERWHELMING evidence that this snake was KILLED?
 
Those who are defending these two snake killers, the USUAL defenders of those who have NO defense, really need to take a second look without the rose coloured glasses
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I don't believe there is anyone defending Brandon & Chelsea???
 
Dennis Hultman said:
They never stated they covered the bowl. They covered the tank with a bowl of hot water in it. If you have BRB's you know they went for the water. Same difference, if they filled it with drinking water later. How would the snake know when it has hot or when it was cold?
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also a bowl of scalding hot water was placed in the tank every day with a towel placed over the top of the tank to add to the humidity.
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I stand corrected Dennis. I originally read the above quote to say they put a towel over the bowl as a cover. I now freely switch my statement from a "lack of knowledge and experience" to "stupidity".
 
Wilomn said:
It's all well and good to play devil's advocate but REALLY, can you honestly say there is not OVERWHELMING evidence that this snake was KILLED?
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No one is saying that they didn't kill this snake Wes. But I doubt anyone feels they killed it maliciously.

The question is did they kill it out of stupidity or ignorance?

The only difference between the two is how the observer chooses to interpret their actions. Some are willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say it was ignorance. Some aren't, and will say its stupidity.
 
Did you guys ever hear the one about the boxer that knocked out his opponent in the first 30 seconds of the fight with a clean jab-jab-hook, and then when the referee grabbed his arm to raise his hand in victory, turned around and knocked the referee's lights out for touching him? No? It's a knee-slapper...
 
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Chelsea

An irregular bowel movement could definitely be caused by excessive heat. So could the animals excessive activity. The reason that this thread has gone on this long is more due to your recent statements than anything else. You need to own this situation and move on. Next time, before choosing an animal, make sure you research it properly BEFORE purchase.
 
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Chelsea you really should post under you own account not Brandon's...

Green is not good yet it is very possible that it was the over heating. You mention it being very active, that and the description that Brandon gave of how it was kept still says over heating . It was likely trying to find somewhere more comfortable or cooler.

If you had kept this animal in a set up that suited Rainbows then yeah there might be some question as to how or why it died. But again what Brandon said of the conditions you kept this BRB in makes the most likely cause of death over heating ETC. I'm not trying to insult or belittle you just giving you my experienced opinion of the info provided in this thread.. Randy
 
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