Bad Guy Chris Kopeckey - Bad Apple Reptiles 100% doublel HET did not prove out and then...

[yourbeat]

were both in PA he lives about an hour or so away.

 

[Revolution1221]

Even if the dragon was a "freebie" it does not justify lying about the genetics. To me it would seem like a way to pawn of just a normal beardie that the seller no longer wanted. If it was said between the two that it was going to be a freebie I bet the OP probably wouldn't have wanted it if the seller didn't clame it was het.

 

[Revolution1221]

Why if he got a beardie at $500 and you screwed up would he need to now pay you $200 for one you have priced at $550? Seems to me he should have got that female for $50 or if he still wanted to keep the male he got duped on possibly $100.

I will quote myself here as i made a mistake and realize it now. I thought the beardie in question that didn't prove out was the female in the original deal for $500 not the male for $100. So disregard my above statement.

 

[jcfourme]

I agree with Revolution 1221. This guy is set back an entire breeding season and lost ALOT more than the original trade is worth.
Also to BMK, How many sales are you willing to lose by not making things right? The way it stands right now, anybody looking to buy a het ANYTHING, would probably steer clear of you unless these posts show you did the right thing, not just what's equitable for you, but to restore the confidence of your potential customers. Good buisness is always about repeat business and how you deal with unsatisfied customers to get that repeat business.

 

[dragonluver83]

I will quote myself here as i made a mistake and realize it now. I thought the beardie in question that didn't prove out was the female in the original deal for $500 not the male for $100. So disregard my above statement.

Whether the dragon was valued at 500 or 100, the genetics DID NOT prove out... So he got a dragon that was a month or two old, bought females based upon his 100 dollar male. Raised them from baby's/juvie's. Bred them, incubated babies, Hatched the babies. No hypos no trans.

His genetic's were wrong and didnt prove out. Thats that. No real argument. I seen a few excuse's and really there isnt one that is for this situation.

and as a good gesture I tossed in a red leather male, cause I was having a good season.

I don't have a bunch of animals to replace him with as Im just a small time breeder, but focus on quality.

One day he is giving away free double het leathers, BUT he also doesnt breed that many babies..

This is where I have a problem believing Chris's words. Its almost a contradicting statement.

Also I can understand throwing in freebie's when someone purchases a wholesale lot of dragons. But a straight up trade, and a freebie was tossed in. From a guy who breeds high quality on a small scale. I have the kool aid and water, but wheres the damn spoon to stir this ??????

IMO the freebie statement was a way to deflect that the dragons genetics didnt prove out. Hey If it was free why complain about it right? I dont think so.. Look at the value of the gun (yes its used, but it doesnt have a mile meter. It doesnt have a hour gauge. So other than being shot. this gun was clean.) So Chris's trade value on the dragons (yes both female and male) was cheaper by a few hundred than what was spent on the gun. BUT both were happy with the trade. Until the genetics didnt prove out.

An because he said It was a freebie, thats what were going to go on? IMO his word is as good as that 100% double het that did not prove out!

BUT I think we need some posted emails and or text messages. I seen a few fwd text messages from Chris to Anthony. BUT nothing from Chris?

 

[dragonluver83]

I agree with Revolution 1221. This guy is set back an entire breeding season and lost ALOT more than the original trade is worth.
Also to BMK, How many sales are you willing to lose by not making things right? The way it stands right now, anybody looking to buy a het ANYTHING, would probably steer clear of you unless these posts show you did the right thing, not just what's equitable for you, but to restore the confidence of your potential customers. Good buisness is always about repeat business and how you deal with unsatisfied customers to get that repeat business.

An for a guy that buys sells breeds snakes. Hets not Proving out is a BIG deal.

Good post!

 

[Revolution1221]

Whether the dragon was valued at 500 or 100, the genetics DID NOT prove out... So he got a dragon that was a month or two old, bought females based upon his 100 dollar male. Raised them from baby's/juvie's. Bred them, incubated babies, Hatched the babies. No hypos no trans.

His genetic's were wrong and didnt prove out. Thats that. No real argument. I seen a few excuse's and really there isnt one that is for this situation.

I fully agree here. I suppose when I quoted myself I should have mentioned that it does not change my opinion of the situation only that I made a mistake and was correcting myself. I still feel there is no excuse for him being out his babies that should have proven out but now he is stuck with some normals that wont even turn over profit. If he is even able to sell them at all.

 

[BMK.]

here's some emails I found and thought I'd share. I've been very busy and not ducking this matter as I'd like to have it resolved.
Read it in order and hope it's clear, as in no way did I mislead or misrepresent the animals.

First you wanted the dbl het female & juv leather male, then you changed mind and wanted hypo-trans female(perfectly fine) and I said ok she's at an even trade value..you said ok, then after I thought about it replied back to saying yes Ill throw in male leather too in deal as it the same deal for me as I had a good season...I think maybe that's where we got confused?? I don't know, but I believe it was an honest miscommunication, and im still willing to make good on my part.

Thanks
CK

 

[BMK.]

and then these too....

 

[BMK.]

last ones...

 

[dragonluver83]

and then these too....

This one is it.

AFTER the swap for the double het for the hypo trans. YOU stated you would do the two for the same deal. its the third screen shot. I think you also stated it was a fair trade

Chris,

For starters, I dont dislike you. You were a customer of mine. Our transaction was completed and there was no issues. The problem here isnt you. Its the way this was handled. (which is you still, but.....)

But this kinda proves there was NO freebie... You posted the email, which means your NOT hiding it. Which is good, BUT it kinda takes the "freebie" statement out of the equation. Unless I misread something?

How about the female red leather??? You offered him to her, and then took the offer back? Was the original offer for free? Or was it for 200 bucks??

 

[yourbeat]

yeah originally we first spoke about a female leather...i didn't want it you showed me the female hypo trans, we made a deal for that female and the red leather...where do you see that as a free dragon, without that leather male can you say without any doubt i still would have traded you? no, absolutely not....end of story. we made the deal....you gave me false genetics that took me a long time to prove out, but when i did it was not what you said it was, period. im actually glad i did keep him because if i went off of your genetics i would have someone coming at me for selling them a bad animal....and again your idea of fixing it is giving me a booty male for my male...and its a het, we tried going off your word for hets.....didn't work out to well. deal was female hypo trans, and dbl het leather male. i got at least half the deal so i guess i should be happy? hey, can have the frame of my glock back so we can be even...you can just keep the upper slide, this way if someone breaks in and your banking on defending yourself with the gun....( like i was banking on your dragons hets to prove out) hey my bad at least you can throw the upper slide at him and make it out ok? i guess that's an even trade right? i got half the dragons i wanted and you get half the gun you wanted?


no matter what way you slice the story any email text w.e that was ever exchanged....you made a deal which included a hypo trans female and a dbl het leather leatherback....i never received the dbl het leatherback....i got a normal leatherback though if that counts??? then you offered me that female on the phone i send you a text saying ok ill take the female, followed by your response "ok cool man when do you want to get her" then you backed out. i told you the last thing i wanted to do was take this to the BOI. BUT when you decided all you wanted to offer was a ugly supposedly het trans male to me and nothing more, i decided ill cut my losses and let everyone know how you rolled with this situation...im just wondering how long before someone else comes in here with a dragon he got from you whos hets didnt prove out....or snakes. i tried to be nice and up front with you and came to you...and i got beat...live and learn, ill move on but im not the bad guy here my business isnt the one in question, yours is. i didnt tell someone false genetic information, you did. in the past year i have kept frequent friendly contact with you and even up to and after i found out your dragon didnt prove out, i only took this action when you said it was your ugly male or the highway. its not like i hate you and will hold this grudge against you and make it my life to ruin you, but did you expect me to just lay down and allow you to tell me its either that male or nothing? come on now.

 

[Revolution1221]

how come you didn't post the e-mail where you said it was only 50%?

 

[yourbeat]

on july the 19th chris sent me a text about him trying to move some cages and dragons...this was the first time i saw this female leather in question. on the 19th he told me i could have her for 200$. now that's the 19th which was last Tuesday. i didn't even confront him about the hets not proving out until this past Thursday night or Friday morning. when i brought it up we talked and it was all good and dandy, and on the phone he said yo man i can either have these 2 males that you have for my trouble or that female that i liked so i said i would get back to him on what i wanted to do...on the 23rd is when i sent him a text saying my only option is to just take the female because i don't have any room for males nor do i want males. followed by a response to him also on the 23rd saying "ok man when do you want to get her"....not even 12 hours later at like 8-9 am i wake up to a text saying "call me today so we can talk bro" and that fast he took the female offer away like 12 hours after i accepted his offer to square up the het not proving out....chris you were all for it on the phone and when you say ok come get her, then you back out.....classy classy business etiquette.


the bad side is that for the most part the female we spoke about me taking, was in fact on the phone except for my text saying ill take her and you saying ok when do i want her...now aside from that because i don't have tons of written proof about the female

THE DOUBLE HET LEATHER FROM LAST YEAR WHICH WE MADE THE ORIGINAL DEAL ON DID NOT PROVE OUT TO BE HET......AT ALL.

im not making it in caps because im yelling, im doing it so that people can see the underlining problem. you said 100% het hypo, and its not het hypo what so ever. Then you take back your original offer of giving me the female and give me a bottom line offer on that male i posted the picture of....i didnt want it so i took it to the BOI

 

[yourbeat]

how come you didn't post the e-mail where you said it was only 50%?

if your referring to me...because he told me on the phone several times when we talked it was 100% double....the email where he says 50% was in November. we did the transaction in September. so that 50% trans comment is completely irrelevant in my opinion. but if that 50% email matters when it was sent 2 months after the transaction then ok i guess? either way, he still hasnt denied he told me its 100% hypo....which its not, why are you focusing on the email in November when the deal was in September, why are you focusing on the trans gene statement and not the hypo...is it any less serious if he only lied about 100% het hypo? no. he still lied or misrepresented his animals. so why focus on just the email from November about the 50% trans????? you can take the wholeeeeee het trans statement out of this ENTIRE situation...did i get a 100% het hypo male leatherback? no? im really not trying to come off as ignorant but i don't see how people are completely over looking the fact...his animal didn't prove out anything.

again everyone and even to chris im not attacking anyone in a mean or vicious manner im not trying to be mean or rude in anyway, but i definitely am frustrated people keep looking past the original problem. i never received a het leather of any sort, just a normal leather. which was not the deal.

 

[Revolution1221]

no i was talking about him you both quoted an identicle e-mail but someone edited it

 

[Revolution1221]

Your quote
Quote:
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Chris Kopecky <[email protected]>
To: anthony prosper <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 9:34:28 AMSubject: Re: heyy

Dude I spaced it out for sure-my bad!
red ita lb/imoprted germen giant/satyrday red/cawley red hypo red flaming tiger X LL
so after that 100%het hypo 100% trans



His quote
Quote:
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Chris Kopecky <[email protected]>
To: anthony prosper <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 9:34:28 AM
Subject: Re: heyy


Dude I spaced it out for sure-my bad!
red ita lb/imoprted germen giant/satyrday red/cawley red hypo red flaming tiger X LL
so after that 100%het hypo 50% transha I still havent shot it yet, but one of these days, one of these days...ha ha

 

[yourbeat]

again i did just re-read everything and it does seem to sound aggressive towards you guys, which i am certainly not trying to do here...to anyone who may have taken this as i was being to aggressive i am sorry for that...i understand everyone's here on the BOI to help in anyway and voice there opinions and i appreciate all the help and all the input so far. especially you chris i don't want you to feel disrespected. but i did want to voice what happened and voice my side of the story. again my apology to anyone who might have taken this as aggressive or rude.

Anthony Prosper

 

[Revolution1221]

no one has looked past the original problem if you have been reading this thread. Infact everyone has been asking him to correct it for lying about the animals genetics. but now with your last post you have raised a few questions with me.

 

[yourbeat]

there's 2 different emails, not the same email but one is edited....he corrected himself in the second one and changed it to 50%...and the only reason chris has that email was because i was nice enough to email both of them emails back to him, because he didn't have any emails where he told me het. so rather then hide anything i sent him both of his emails, because again im not trying to cheat anyone here. i easily could have only sent the one where he says 100% hypo 100% trans...which would have worked in my favor, but im not that kind of guy.