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Bad Guy Christian Ryder! RYDER SCIENTIFIC (SCAMMER)

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I posted an ad for a black throat monotor sale stating 100$ non refundable deposit for holding animal due to several people always asking to hold and never paying .
He proceeds with putting a deposit on my animal (Christian Ryder) out of New York (black throat monitors are Aparently illegal) . I was told he was to release the rest of the funds for the animal when air billed was filled out . as head to fed ex with package received a call from a friend staring that monitors were illegal in new youk. Since it was last moment I called Christian Ryder several times with no answer. So I never shipped and proceeded to tell him monitors were illegal in New York. He stayed he had several licenses but wouldn't show me. . And now I told unless he can show proof he is licensed to own in NY I will not ship. He contacted PayPal filing a claim which was never granted to him because of my ad clearly stating no refunds .
He states he's licensed but shows no proof and tried getting me to ship same min as receiving payment last minute which can be cancelled at any moment . Especially last moment. I've been apart of fauna for 5 years and never had these problems . So sellers be aware of laws as I had no idea til last minute.
 
Did he pay in full and is asking for a full refund or a refund for the deposit? How long did you have the deposit before finding out you can't ship there?
 
He paid only the deposit of 100$
Wanted me to send the monitor at the fed ex location and then said he would send rest of payment when I shipped and showed a picture of air bill and being present at FedEx. I recieved deposit on a Friday and found out Monday when I was supposed to ship. And I told him I cannot send unless I see proof of being able to own a monitor. He said he was heavily licensed . But still never showed me any evidence of having a permit or something. He then started calling me names .
 
kingkaz said:
He paid only the deposit of 100$
Wanted me to send the monitor at the fed ex location and then said he would send rest of payment when I shipped and showed a picture of air bill and being present at FedEx. I recieved deposit on a Friday and found out Monday when I was supposed to ship. And I told him I cannot send unless I see proof of being able to own a monitor. He said he was heavily licensed . But still never showed me any evidence of having a permit or something. He then started calling me names .
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He definitely should show you the permit and never call names. But I don't see how he's a scammer. I've refunded deposits if the sale is canceled quickly like that. But I can't fault you since it's non refundable. Scammer isn't really a word I would use. It sounds like he was trying to get an animal shipped that he most likely knew he couldn't keep. Shady, yes. Scammer? Not really.
 
Well It was an attempt to scam. By trying to have me at FedEx to ship animal without full payment before . But he did try and file a dispute with PayPal about the 100$ To me that seems also scammerish since I was unaware about the laws there. But for sure very shady.
 
kingkaz said:
Well It was an attempt to scam. By trying to have me at FedEx to ship animal without full payment before . But he did try and file a dispute with PayPal about the 100$ To me that seems also scammerish since I was unaware about the laws there. But for sure very shady.
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I would definitely not ship before full payment is received (have for a friend or two), so I'm glad you didn't do that and heard about the laws.
 
As the seller I feel it is as much your responsibility to know the laws where you are shipping the animal as it is the buyer whom is going to keep the animal. Try selling alcohol to someone under 21. In my state the person selling gets the same fine as the person attempting to buy. Taking his $100 and then saying you cannot send the animal seems unethical no matter what your terms of agreement are.

kingkaz said:
Well It was an attempt to scam. By trying to have me at FedEx to ship animal without full payment before . But he did try and file a dispute with PayPal about the 100$ To me that seems also scammerish since I was unaware about the laws there. But for sure very shady.
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kingkaz said:
Well It was an attempt to scam. By trying to have me at FedEx to ship animal without full payment before . But he did try and file a dispute with PayPal about the 100$ To me that seems also scammerish since I was unaware about the laws there. But for sure very shady.
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This means you are accusing him of knowingly trying to steal your money because you KNOW he was not going to pay his balance once you shipped. You are either making this up entirely, or not sharing pertinent information. If you are merely "speculating" that's what he was "setting you up for", then that is pure hogwash. You have no right to say someone was "Trying to scam you" by getting you to ship before payment in full, if you have no evidence he would not pay. That's just childish... sounds like you're making stuff up to justify holding his deposit that you probably already know you should probably be refunding.

Also, there is exactly ONE person in charge of when you ship. You. If you don't want to be "scammed" by shipping before payment is made in full... then... ah... don't? :rolleyes:
 
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This means you are accusing him of knowingly trying to steal your money because you KNOW he was not going to pay his balance once you shipped. You are either making this up entirely, or not sharing pertinent information. If you are merely "speculating" that's what he was "setting you up for", then that is pure hogwash. You have no right to say someone was "Trying to scam you" by getting you to ship before payment in full, if you have no evidence he would not pay. That's just childish... sounds like you're making stuff up to justify holding his deposit that you probably already know you should probably be refunding.

Also, there is exactly ONE person in charge of when you ship. You. If you don't want to be "scammed" by shipping before payment is made in full... then... ah... don't? :rolleyes:
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He put in his ad no refunds so why should he refund it? So why should he refund?
 
AirborneMan21 said:
He put in his ad no refunds so why should he refund it? So why should he refund?
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A lot of buyers will have exceptions to the non refundable deposit. Technically, the seller cancelled the sale, but it was because of the buyer not proving that he could own the animal legally. So this one could go either way. I would refund it, but there are plenty of sellers that wouldn't.
 
If I'm reading correctly, and he wanted to send the balance of the payment after you shipped, (You've said it a couple of different ways, so I'm not sure) that should have been all you needed to bail.
IMO, you should refund that deposit & make a clean break. PayPal is going to take it anyway, so consider it an exception to your rule.

I'll PM you with some NY info.
 
A non-refundable deposit is meant to protect a seller from buyers who would back out of a purchase agreement. If it's the seller who subsequently backs out - even when done for a very ethically sound reason - I can't see any real justification for the seller keeping the deposit. At this point, I think the buyer would be more justified than the OP, in believing that there's a scam attempt afoot.

AirborneMan said:
If he indeed started calling him names I wouldn't refund it.
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Words have only as much power as you choose to give them. You're petty enough that you'd let mere words - currently unproven, at that - play a significant part in justify keeping someone's money, when you chose to end an agreement? Good to know. It'd seem that some people are quick to latch on to even the flimsiest rationalizations.
 
OP already stated Paypal sided with him because his ad stated non-refundable. Seller never backed out, buyer can't proof he's allowed to own said reptiles in NY.
 
Kristi23 said:
True, but we haven't seen any of the communication between them.
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Just to add to this. I would still refund the deposit even with name calling. My point was just that true, there was name calling, but that we hadn't seen any proof of it. Not true that the seller should use that in their decision. It's business and not personal for things like that. I was posting quicker than I was thinking out my response.
 
Kristi23 said:
Just to add to this. I would still refund the deposit even with name calling. My point was just that true, there was name calling, but that we hadn't seen any proof of it. Not true that the seller should use that in their decision. It's business and not personal for things like that. I was posting quicker than I was thinking out my response.
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Agreed but if he's gone through the trouble and was taking his time to try and send I believe he should be able to keep a part of it for his time.
 
AirborneMan21 said:
Seller never backed out
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Yes, he did. He was faced with the choice of sending the monitor to someone who may not be legally able to have it in his area; or choosing not to send it at all. He chose the latter. By making the choice not to complete the transaction, he effectively backed out. There's really no way to twist this situation into being anything else.

Anyone who believes that "non-refundable" absolutely means that a seller can choose to keep a deposit for any reason - which is exactly the stage you're setting - is someone who potential buyers should think really long and hard about sending deposits to.
 
No he never did he just stated he wanted proof that he was allowed to own said reptile and full payment. There's nothing wrong with that and that's not backing out, that's just covering his butt.
 
I would really like to see all communication between the buyer and the seller. I don't think it would change my mind, but right now we only have the word of one person involved.
 
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