Chuck Tornetta - Big trade deal gone south

[NEWReptiles]

Inflamatory posts will only make it worse on Chuck.

You bring up a good point Casey, I will say this, if Chuck came up behind me and bit me in the butt, I still would have no idea who he is.

Jeremy said

Thats nice, any chance you could have HIM to post this?

 

[dqreps]

Ritchie

Okay okay here you go. Chuck.....shame on you. Shame on you for having such high prices. you are a bad bad man because of your high prices. <---sarcasm if you missed it.
by the way...you ask how we can condone the high price?
1. he can price it at whatever he wants
2. YOU were the one who agreed to the trade.....not us

OK Ritchie, you are one of the worst on here at not being able to filter information and relay what you read. Here it is for you. I paid $6500 in trade to Chuck BECAUSE he said it was a possible Blizzard verifyable by Jeremy Stone. When this was check out, Jeremy said he was full it it. THIS IS WHY I SAY IT IS NOT WORTH WHAT YOU SAY OK?! Get it? This animal was misreprented. Need me to repeat it?

realvenum - Sure Jeremy Stone, Bob Clark, The Barkes, Ronne, Isle, etc come on this site and post all the time. lol, they would not waste their time. Anyway, i only replied here for the LAST TIME unless Chucky responds because i wanted to leave my phone number. I feel that you guys are having a VERY tought time computing and understanding what i am telling you over the computer. It is very easy to forget things, making it look like you have holes in a story, forgetting details, and also the fact that when put something down, you guys will pay no attention the the facts like with the snow thing. Ritchie payed no attention that the animal was misrepresented and that is the reason i was willing to pay $6500, because jeremy stone was to have said it is a possible blizzard. Not! Please call me because i am sick of people going off behind a computer. I would very much like the chance to explain what happend. Home - 207-947-9233 Cell 207-299-5303 I very much feel that if you all cant call me, you are just scared of the truth, that you will be proved wrong, because well, i AM right on all accounts. Call me if you dare

Dallas Quarles

 

[Classic Dum's]

Also, Chuck would not have sent my animals back and vise verca just because the albino was not a coral or because he over charged me a grand on the snow etc.

How do you know this? Did you try to reverse the deal. Simple fact dude some corals get there color later on. Some while being coral may not brighten up as much as other to be considered an outstanding coral. This still does not mean they wont produce nice corals. You keep throwing Jermeys name around why dont you ask Jermy what kind of a deal had had with Chuck for the animal. Ever think that maybe Jermy was a little pissed when you got it instead of him. jermy has a few things hes hiding to and considering what they are I wouldnt believe to much of what he says. Hes done some things to cover some pretty big messes that arent cool at all. Simple fact of the deal Chuck can price his animals at anything he wants. Were the prices a little high, well not in Chucks mind. Are my prices on some stuff a little high not in my mind, to others ya Ive gotten a few complaints but ya know what I know what my animals are worth to me and Ill price them how I like. If you dont like the prices then dont buy them, but dont buy them then complain they were to high. Given time I am sure that female would have shown its corally color and if it didnt brighten up as much as you expected I am sure it would have thrown some awesome baby corals. I have 3 corals right here that I picked up this weekend at MARS(ritchie why didnt you stop by and say hi????). One is outstanding(all are about 3 months old) one just now has the color coming in and the other(smallest of the 3) still looks normal. All from coral breeding so I am sure they will color up or at the least throw some awesome babies. So if your basing all your info from Jermy Id look for another source because if that is were all you info is coming from I dont think hes being upfront.

 

[Classic Dum's]

one last thing????

I paid $6500 in trade to Chuck BECAUSE he said it was a possible Blizzard

You say you got taken and there is no way its a possible blizzard and that why you claim Chuck took you for a grand. Why do you have it posted as a possible blizzard on Ksnake then? I seen your ad trying to sell it as a possible blizzard? So if Chuck is wrong for selling it to you as a possible blizzard, you claim it is not. Why are you any better and why should anyone here believe a word you say when you are passing it on as the same???? Two wrongs dont equal a right my friend. I dont feel Chuck did anything wrong. but its a valid point you are accusing him of wrong doing and your doing the same you accuse him of. Personally I think your pissed he blocked your emails and wouldnt give you any more attention and wanted to move the animals fast and wasnt able to get top dollar over night as you had hoped.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Dallas,

First anyone can price an animal they have for sale at what ever they want. Until Jeremy post's on here regarding what you are saying he told you it is nothing but hearsay and does not matter. You say the animals are not worth what Chuck says but you have no proof of this. It is kind of funny that you sit there and insult everyone for not listening to what your saying but you are not listening yourself. Post proof on these things and then the truth should come out. And it was greed that took the trade. Greed is in everyone to some degree. Chuck wanted that pair of snakes so he offered a deal that would appeal to your greed and it did. You can try denying it but that is exactly what it is that happened.
Also I have seen baby corals looklike normals but turn coral later on. I had one that was sold to me at a great deal when corals were first being produced because it did not look coral like the others. Well at 3 months of age she started turning and by 6 months of age was the best looking from the entire litter. So yes these people posting about them do know what they are talking about it and are stating it first hand and not second hand hearsay.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Dallas,

"Charles LIED to me as backed up by Jeremy Stone."

Uh...No...Jeremy Stone has not backed up anything you have posted here. You saying that Jeremy Stone is on your side of things is no more proof of that being true than you saying you were wronged in the first place. Your assertions are not proof. Proof is what is needed to back up your assertions.

You say you aren't greedy because you didn't go for the cash and instead went for the higher trade value. Excuse me? You have $7500 in one hand and a possible $12,500 in the other. Are you seriously going to try to tell us that the desire for the extra 5K is NOT what motivated you do this deal??? Really????

Dallas, you know full well that you are just ticked off because you did not get what you thought you should have. However, if you had met the guy, none of this would have happened. If you had just reversed the trade, you'd still have your orignal snakes. If you had simply done some research on coral albinos BEFORE you got some, you might have known to hold on to them for a while to make certain you weren't selling them too cheaply. If, if, if.

If you had proven that Chuck had done anything deceptive toward you, I would say you had a point. As it is, you are simply arguing (badly, I might add) from a position of perspective. It's a bit like screaming "I have the world's most perfect bellybutton!" It may be true; everyone else thinks their's is too, but no one really cares enough to argue about it. Except you, of course.

 

[Dennis Gulla]

Classic Dum's said: Ever think that maybe Jeremy was a little pissed when you got it instead of him. Jeremy has a few things hes hiding to considering what they are I woundnt believe to much of what he says. Hes done some things to cover some pretty big messes that arent cool at all."

Classic Dum's, would you please elaborate? You are obviously trying to discredit Jeremy Stone. Not a problem as long as you are telling the facts as you know them instead of innuendo.

 

[HerpVenue]

OK Ritchie, you are one of the worst on here at not being able to filter information and relay what you read. Here it is for you. I paid $6500 in trade to Chuck BECAUSE he said it was a possible Blizzard verifyable by Jeremy Stone. When this was check out, Jeremy said he was full it it. THIS IS WHY I SAY IT IS NOT WORTH WHAT YOU SAY OK?! Get it? This animal was misreprented. Need me to repeat it?.

Still waiting for the proof.
I can take your word for it. But I know Dallas Quarles. I remember him complaining about receiving bad animals. The same bad animals he sold as GOOD animals. (sSomeone correct me if I am wrong)
I have personally seen snows go up higher that 6500

Sure Jeremy Stone, Bob Clark, The Barkes, Ronne, Isle, etc come on this site and post all the time. lol, they would not waste their time.

So these people e-mailed you out of the kindness of theri own heart and told you that you did not have a corral. But yet they do not have time to come and post here? I would still love to see those e-mails

Hey Dallas, Jeremy Stone, Bob Clark, The Barkes, Ronne, Isle, etc ....they all proclaim that I am God Like and they worship me... But you will just have to take my word for it because they do not have the time to come here. Oh yeah.....and I will go ahead and REFUSE to post their living e-mails as well. <---more sarcasm if you missed it.

Please call me because i am sick of people going off behind a computer. I would very much like the chance to explain what happend.

TRANSLATION = I am tired of explaining myself and forgetting to cover up the holes. So please call me. That way if I forget about a hole.....I can just say I NEVER said it....because there are no recordings and copies of the conversation.

Ritchie payed no attention that the animal was misrepresented and that is the reason i was willing to pay $6500, because jeremy stone was to have said it is a possible blizzard.

I wonder what happened.

1. He says it was a possible Blizzard. So you decide to get it. Then you decide to investigate and Jeremy "supposedly" tells you it is not a possible blizzard. So you did your research AFTER you already had the animals. SMART. As a matter of fact. You had no clue what a blizzard is. But you bought it anyway because greed got in the way. Should have doe your research before buying.

or

2. He says possible Blizzard. So you call Jeremy. Jeremy says he is full of it. But you do business with him anyway.

i will post his add on kingsnake he had, the pic of the snake that i sold him that he was selling for 10k. I have it saved and i will post it in a heart beat of Chuck would like. Remember, this is the same snake that had a resp infection, the same one Chuck was selling on Kingsnake.com.

Wow here we go again. I remember someone who had "proof" that snakes he received in the past were sick. He said he can post it and prove it. Next thing you know he sells the snakes as HEALTHY and to this day we are still waiting for the proof that they wree sick in the first place.
Hey idiot !! Instead of crying how no one belives you and they should all pity you.............Why don't you use your head and post your proof !!

You words above. Dont really make sense. First, my animals that i sold for $7500 was a fair price. Why? Because females SS albinos go for a cool 6k. That is just fact, and you can ask more if you want to be greedy, and people will pay, i am NOT greedy. I just wanted what i was supposed to get, i believe thats fair. 6ft male hets are $1500, chuck knows this as this animal came for him. So Darin, no one can argue what I sold my animals for because it is a fair market price.

You are so nice Dallas.
You are NOT greedy.
Your animals were worth $7500.
And that is what you asked for. ................You are absolutely right. You asked for a fair price. You would NOT ask for more because you are not greedy. In fact if someone offers you $12,500 in cash or trade..... You probably would have said no because you are not greedy.

You are absolutely not greedy. That is why for your $7500 animals you instead got what you claim to be $9000. And you are not here to cry that you did not get more. You are not greedy like that. Actually you are here to complain that Chuck sent you too much. As a matter of fact you want to send chuck $1500 because you are not greedy and only want what your animals are worth.

Right I believe that.


Still waiting for all the proof that is supposedly at your finger tips. Months and years from now we will still be waiting.

 

[HerpVenue]

Dallas, Dallas Dallas.

Before you came here....
You should have erased your kingsnake ad.
But you forgot.



Bellow is Dallas's kingsnake ad. I will bold some parts so you guys can see some interesting parts.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=8&de=139438

1.1 2003 unrelated coral albino pair!
MAINE
Posted by Dallas Quarles Reptiles (Contact Me!) on September 09, 2003 at 22:45:28
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2002-09-10



I recently did a huge trade deal that enabled me to acquire some animals that i need to part with to recoop some cash. I had a deal with a potential buyer but he failed to come up with the funds so they are up for sale. This is an unrelated pair of coral albinos that are very nice. The male especially is exceptional, SUPER color. The male was born in 5/03 and the female was born in 8/03. They are both doing very well and growing quickly. I cannot gurantee the female is a coral, however, the male is a coral and a grade A one at that. The female was sold to me as a coral buy Chuck for $2500 but the pic he sent me of a female was not the one i got in the mail and does not look as "coralish" as the one in the pic he sent me as an example. Well, if they are borderline coral/normal albino sometimes it is hard to tell if they are coral until they get older and "Coral Up" a bit. Either way, you are getting a heck of a deal because if this females ends up to be a true coral, you are getting way more than your money's worth. If not, you are still getting a great deal price wise. I am selling the pair for $3000 plus shipping to your door or by way of US Airways same day delivery to your nearest airport. I except cashiers checks only at this time. Buyer must send the cashiers check out express mail, which gurantees next day delivery. Live arrival is guranteed and so is the health of these animals. To see pics, click on my picture trail site below and email me with any questions you may have.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles Reptiles

Home - 207-947-9233
Cell- 207-299-5303

he says we are not experts and do not know what a coral looks like. Well he has less "experience" than I do. And he has no problems telling people exactly what Jason and I posted. That some corrals take SEVERAL months before their colors come in.

so there is the ad for Dallas Quarles.
I can't find one that supposedly exists for chuck.
And I do not think Dallas will post it either.

 

[NEWReptiles]

I feel I need to clarify something that was brought to my attention via email from a friend of mine.

I have no idea who either party involved is and I do not see myself ever doing any deal with either party .

I read the initial post by Dallas and thought it was a little odd and I posted my thoughts on the deal.

 

[Classic Dum's]

Classic Dum's, would you please elaborate? You are obviously trying to discredit Jeremy Stone. Not a problem as long as you are telling the facts as you know them instead of innuendo.

Jermy had a deal with Chuck for the snow and Chuck wound up trading it to Dallas. SO my point is maybe Jermy is pissed beause he wanted the snow and Dallas got it so thats why Jermy is supposidly telling Dallas, chuck is full of it. Beyond that Theres nothing to elaborate on, Jermys name isnt the one in the header. I am just simply stating to Dallas that because of some things I know about Jermy his word to me is crap. I dont care if Jermy posts on here I wouldnt trust a word he said anyway.

Rich thanks for posting that it was the ad I was thinking of. That female was born 8/03 as within the past 4-6wks????????? If that is the case then Dallas your just completly out there. The best coral in the world at 4wks not even having a second shed is going to look normal as can be. Im sorry dude but you need to get a grip. Rest assured Ill never sell anything to you. This is no differant then aquiring a Jungle carpet 6wks old from high yellow line and paying $250 for it instead of $100. At 6wks that carpet looks like crap murky black with a mudd yellow color. At 6 months that jungle will be so black and bright yellow you wont even know its the same animal. Same thing here you SEVERALLY jumped the gun. And yes since you bassing your logic off a 4wk old animal YOU dont know much if anything at all about corals. I thought we were talking about a 5 month old animal here all along. 4-6wks you complaining like that I think the heder should read "Dallas whatever a pain in the rear costumer".

 

[chuck tornetta reptiles]

Dallas please remove this bogus thread asap

Dallas , I am not going to put up with this much longer, and i am looking into a defamation of charictor suite, i dont want this . i dont want to even be bothered with you. you got the better deal, what else do you want.
i would swap you back in a second, this female wont even eat for me. live or frozen thawed. plus you knew she had a resp thats probubly why you were selling them.
AND STOP DRAGGING JEREMY STONE INTO THIS , IT has nothing to do with him what so ever. We are not partners or nothing , all i ever said about him is that i have a deal going with him and the value of my snow going to him was 6500.00
and thats true .
your big on facts so heres one for you .
if you dont stop making me look bad for no reason on the boi. You will get a letter from my Atturney . and thats a fact.
Chuck Tornetta Reptiles i said this before , im not going to keep this going but , i just tried to call you dallas and you never pick up the phone , i dont want you to try and hurt my good name and reputation anymore,
also if anyone was thinking about buying a quality reptile from myself and since changed your mind after reading this , would you please drop me a short email. saying that , it will be helpful to my case if i have to go that route .
also i dont want anybody to think i dont have the upmost respect for Jeremy Stone , and im sorry he was drug into this by Dallas at all.
thank you ,
Chuck Tornetta
( I WILL NOT BE RESPONDING TO THIS ANY MORE , AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS FORUM )

 

[Brian Oakley]

amazing!!!!!!!!!!

I would have given my left (something) to get a deal like that.

Dallas, I would honestly drop this. Saying this nicely, who cares of the price one COULD have got, MIGHT have received, you got the better end of the deal regardless if 2 of the animals are not what you were told they were. There is not a person in the world that deals with snakes that would have turned down that deal unless the really didnot need them or could not house them.......and even then, they still might do it,

I am still nto sure if Chuck lied, the ad you put up on Kingsnake was not too cool either in the words you said. You could have simply put up the pair as: 1 coral and 1 normal albino. Until you have ABSOLUTE PROOF that you are right (even then the words you said would not be fair to use) there was no business in saying that.
I will go out on a limb and agree that I can see how you would be disappointed when you thought you were getting 12.5K in animals and only got 9k, but even then, until you sell ALL of the snakes and add up the money you got for them all, you have no idea what they are worth.

Just so you know, I type this calmly, "quietly" and am not bashing you. I DO think you took the wrong approach to say the least.

BE HAPPY YOU GOT WHAT YOU DID is the point I, and everyone else, is trying to make.

Brian Oakley

 

[Darin Chappell]

Chuck,

Just so you know, Dallas does not have the capacity to remove this thread from the BOI. He can ask that it be removed, and the WebSlave has the authority to do so, but I doubt he will.

The reason threads like this are left in place is because they so very clearly show much more about the person who started it than they ever do about those the thread was originally about. I wouldn't be too concerned about it, and I wouldn't involve any attorneys either.

Defamation of character cases are extremely difficult to prove, as are libel cases. Not only must that which is written be PROVEN false (which is tough), but it must also be proven that the falsehood was told with intent to do harm (which is even tougher), AND it must be proven that you suffered a quantifiable loss of some sort (which is next to impossible).

Don't get me wrong, you can sue anyone you want, but if you are going to go that route ... do it. Don't just talk about it. The nation's deficit could be brought to $0 if we simply had a 10% income tax on all of the imaginary lawyers hired here on the BOI!

 

[David Reid]

I have thought this for some time now, ....

I think the HEADINGS on the threads should be limited to certain text, like "Inquiry", Good deal, Bad deal, etc. When someone puts SCAM, and then a name, and the"name" comes on here and proves it was not a scam, the title, the heading still has a negative conatation attached to it. My point:

If someone puts SCAMMED by So and So!, I feel the heading should not be allowed, and it should say Bad deal with So and So.

Just my opinion.

 

[Darin Chappell]

David,

That's how it is supposed to be done already. The rules have stated the following from the very beginning (or so close to the beginning that the vast majority of people here weren't around to know any different!):


"Topic lines should display the name of the person or business that the message is concerning and something like (BAD GUY), (INQUIRY), (INFO), or (GOOD GUY) following the name. Something like: Joe Blow's Bargain Basement Herps (GOOD GUY). Simply stating something like "Avoid this guy!" on the topic line is completely useless as it requires someone to open your message just to see what in the world you are griping about.


"The labels will be designated as the following definitions:





"(BAD GUY) - someone or some business that should be avoided. Provide FACTS supporting this opinion.


"(GOOD GUY) - someone or some business that you are recommending. Reasons are not required, but an example of your experience would be helpful.


"(INQUIRY) - you are looking for information on the listed person or business. Perhaps you are considering doing business with them and would like some feedback.


"(INFO) - this can be information of any sort about the person or business. Not necessarily good nor bad, could be something along the line of your hearing they got in a shipment of something of interest recently.





"EXAMPLE: Joe Blow's Bargain Basement Herps (GOOD GUY)


"More labels can be added as appropriate."



It's a shame people don't read the rules to the BOI before they post here. But, they never have in any real number, so I guess no one should be terribly surprised when someone doesn't!

 

[HerpVenue]

Dallas was so quick to respond all day.

Now I post his classified ad
And
I ask him for the proof he supposedly has.
and poof he is gone.



So he will probably not be back.
So let me try to get this straight.

chuck and Dallas do trades.
Dallas gets a lot more animals than he deserves.
Dallas does not have a clue as to what kind of animals he has.
Dallas sells his animals too cheaply because he does not have a vlue what kind of animals he has.
Dallas then realizes that since he sold too cheaply........he will NEVER make the 12,500 that he thought the animals were worth.
Dallas sold the animals to cheaply because he was clueless. Now he is mad.
So he comes here to post how the animals he got were not worth 12,500 but instead worth 9,000 got it.

I have an idea. Someone send me Three albino adult boa males in trade for my salmons I just produced.
I will then sell your albinos for $100 each.
I will keep one of the albinos for myself.
Then I will run to the BOI and complain that the albinos you gave me were not $3000 adults. Rather they were only $100 dollar adults. I will then tell everyone that you scammed me. You had the odacity to charge me $3000 for the adults. When all I sold them for was $100. All because I am not greedy.


Still waiting for the proof that is "available at your fingertips"


p.s. I once read a post were someone says that the trend on the BOI is to believe the guy who posts first. A BOI member says this. Mario Stinso also says this.

Well Dallas here is proof to the contrary.
Both times he was the first to post.
Both times he was shut down.

moral of the story.
Have your stuff in a row. Tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and you will see justice. Do something other than the aforementioned......and heaven help you.

 

[HerpVenue]

The pic he sent me made this animal look EXTREMELY light in color. I asked him about it and he said he was very light. I get him and he is not all that light. He is a real dirty color but he is very clean, i will say that. Anyway, i did get $600 out of him because he is a very nice animal, just not what he lead me to believe. He def charged $150 too much.

Dallas, Dallas, Dallas.
you are making this WAAAY to easy.
ANYONE with at least a little EXPERIENCE knows that boas change colors. I happen to have a 66% het for albino boa right now. She is usually on the light side. A couple days ago she turned so dark I could harldy recognize her. Well I just checked on her just now as we type this. She is slowly getting lighter again.


If you were so unhappy about this trade....Why did you sell the animals instead of sending them back?

The two female 66% poss DH for snows were as advertised and i am not even sure if $500 is a fair price for them, but as i far as i know, it is fair.

So you are not sure if it is a fair price? Let me help you jog your memory

0.2 2003 66% possible DH for snow boas for Sale or TRADE!
MAINE
Posted by Dallas Quarles Reptiles (Contact Me!) on September 14, 2003 at 23:34:30
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2002-09-10



I have these two female 66% possible het for snow boas for sale, born 2003. These animals were produced by Chuck Tornetta from a DH for Snow X DH for Snow breeding. These females look almost anerytheristic and acquiring both, you have a very good shot at producing SNOWS. This is a real inexpensive way of making very much profit. Chuck amd myself will both verify the possible genetics of these animals. I am selling them for $400 shipped to your door OR $500 in trade value which is actually the going price for these guysI would be interested in exceptional "Normal" BCI in trade along with cash if needed. I except cashiers checks and paypal only. Please check out my picturetrail site below of pics and call or email me for info.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles Reptiles

Home - 207-947-9233
Cell - 207-299-5303

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1923393&uid=1029108&members=1

Sounds to me like you were sure about two days ago.

 

[HerpVenue]

Jiminey crickets...hey kids we having fun yet?

The pic he sent me made this animal look EXTREMELY light in color. I asked him about it and he said he was very light. I get him and he is not all that light. He is a real dirty color but he is very clean, i will say that. Anyway, i did get $600 out of him because he is a very nice animal, just not what he lead me to believe. He def charged $150 too much.

hhhmmm you were not satisfied because you were led to believe that this animal is more than very nice. But when you got it....it was not all that...it was just "very nice"


let me see
I will bold some parts

SOLD!!! 1.0 Ronne Pastel Exceptional BCI, possible
This male is exceptional and was produced in 2000. He is VERY clean, has a nice orange/pink/peach on his sides and has a very nice jungle pattern. He is about 4.5ft long and thick! He may be jungle or may not be. I got him from Chuck Tornetta in a very large trade deal and Jeremy Stone told Chuck that this male definately looks like a possible jungle. Who knows. I am not selling him as a jungle because i have no proof but good luck to the person who gets him. This animal is guranteed to be 100% healthy and live arrival is guranteed also. I am selling this animal for $600 shipped.

Sounds to me like someone who is VERY happy with the animal

 

[Classic Dum's]

chuck and Dallas do trades.
Dallas gets a lot more animals than he deserves.
Dallas does not have a clue as to what kind of animals he has.
Dallas sells his animals too cheaply because he does not have a vlue what kind of animals he has.
Dallas then realizes that since he sold too cheaply........he will NEVER make the 12,500 that he thought the animals were worth.
Dallas sold the animals to cheaply because he was clueless .Now he is mad. So he comes here to post how the animals he got were not worth 12,500 but instead worth 9,000 got it.

Rich I couldnt have said it better myself!!!!